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TOPIC: Invites/qualified teams? |
| Cheermama7
November 4, 2012
5:14:14 PM
Entry #: 4006149
| Has anyone heard anything from the AM sessions today? Were team announced?
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| CheerGirl123
November 4, 2012
7:47:17 PM
Entry #: 4006247
| From what I remember..
JPW Medium 2:
1-New Milford
2-Derby
JPW Medium 3:
1-New Fairfield
2-Wolcott
PW Medium 3:
1-WaterOak
2-Sharon
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| D_Cheer524
November 4, 2012
8:16:27 PM
Entry #: 4006262
| Anyone remember JPW Medium 1?
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| cheermom98
November 4, 2012
8:58:00 PM
Entry #: 4006294
| Anyone know who got invites in Mid Med 2?
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| Cheermama7
November 4, 2012
9:02:01 PM
Entry #: 4006298
| Does anyone know ANY invite info!? Suspense is killing me! Usually we wouldn't know yet but since they said we would I have parents texting me like crazy.
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| Kathleen D
November 4, 2012
9:24:16 PM
Entry #: 4006312
| No invites AT ALL were given this year in the whole region.
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| Cheermama7
November 4, 2012
9:31:11 PM
Entry #: 4006316
| They won't be? Karen Pope said yesterday they would be announced today. Any reason why not?
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| Kathleen D
November 4, 2012
9:32:47 PM
Entry #: 4006319
| I don't know why they didn't but I am very surprised!
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| MilfordEagles4life
November 4, 2012
9:34:41 PM
Entry #: 4006322
| Jpw small 1 was Naugy 1st Milford 2nd
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| CheerWatcher
November 4, 2012
9:42:32 PM
Entry #: 4006326
| Kathleen,
What do you mean No Invites from the region?
Where is this information coming from?
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| cheercoach123
November 4, 2012
9:44:44 PM
Entry #: 4006328
| Where are you getting this information from?
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| Cheermama7
November 4, 2012
9:47:41 PM
Entry #: 4006330
| How did you hear this Kathleen? That's crazy. It's going to be a short day at regionals with half empty stands if its true lol.
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| Cheermama7
November 4, 2012
9:49:28 PM
Entry #: 4006332
| And I'm not saying you're crazy by any means lol. By that's crazy I mean what are they thinking lol!
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| Kathleen D
November 4, 2012
9:50:41 PM
Entry #: 4006336
| That's just what I've heard.
Everyone calm down! I'm sure the board, or whoever is in charge, will accounce it soon enough.
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| spiritbooster
November 4, 2012
9:54:39 PM
Entry #: 4006339
| At todays early session Karen Pope stated that IF an invite were to be given, your teams score would be taken into consideration. If an invite was to be offered, you would not be notified till tomorrow.
Good Luck to all!
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| cheermom444
November 4, 2012
9:54:57 PM
Entry #: 4006340
| I think no invites is a good idea! Whoever placed these past 2 days get to move on!
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| CheerWatcher
November 4, 2012
9:56:51 PM
Entry #: 4006341
| On Saturday they had some divisions with 12 and 13 teams with only first & second place.
On Sunday, these same divisions only had 2 teams.
Which because there were only 2, they automatically go to Regionals.
There has to be some teams from Saturdays comp that qualified.
If not, the entire system is flawed and there will be an uproar!
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| CheerWatcher
November 4, 2012
10:03:14 PM
Entry #: 4006344
| Cheermom, if you want to do it that way then you should have ALL Jr Pee Wees & Pee Wees from ALL of New England compete on Saturday. Have the top 4 teams advance to Regionals.
Same with Jr Midgets & Midgets. Have ALL of the Teams compete on Sunday, with the top 4 moving on. None of this automatic advancing just because there were only 2 teams competing on a Sunday. Very unfair to 12 teams on Saturday... Think about it.
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| Cheermama7
November 4, 2012
10:03:42 PM
Entry #: 4006345
| She said yesterday that they WOULD be announced today, and before Saturday they were supposedly AT awards on Saturday. The big difference this year is only one week between events, with practice schedules to arrange and travel, we kinda need to know ASAP.
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| spiritbooster
November 4, 2012
10:09:47 PM
Entry #: 4006347
| It is unfair in some ways...but that's because some Conferences have more teams than others...Ct only has SCPW and NCTPW.
Maybe those Leagues that competed on Saturday need to change days.
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| CheerWatcher
November 4, 2012
10:28:50 PM
Entry #: 4006367
| Exactly what I am saying.
Have ALL conferences in a certain division compete on the same day. You won't have that problem.
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| cheerqueen7458
November 5, 2012
12:48:25 AM
Entry #: 4006427
| Are there going to be invites? In my division there are 5 teams from Sunday and none from Saturday. We moved on, but I'm sort of hoping we have someone else to compete against just to make it more fun. I still think it should be top 3 from all divisions. Top 2 just isn't always enough in some of these bigger divisions.
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
12:59:13 AM
Entry #: 4006432
| Wow. Got an email confirming its true. No invites unless they need to fill a slot, like the above mentioned situation. It said with just first and second place winners from both days there are 99 teams.
If I'm to be honest, I'm really kind of angry about this. A little simple foresight would have prevented a lot of tears considering they ANNOUNCED at awards there WOULD be invited sent out. They really should have known before hand by doing a little simple math that there would have been 99 teams.
If I'm being entirely honest I'm less than impressed with the way this comp was run this year. Very rushed, splitting up teams, announcing invites that would never be...
I KNOW what hard work it takes to plan these things. But a lot of foolish mistakes were made here, and a lot of little girls are going to be crying unnecessarily. Just my opinion.
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| Becs
November 5, 2012
1:33:19 AM
Entry #: 4006444
| Love that there are no invites. That's the way it should be. If you win, you move on. Welcome to life.
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| cheerfan06
November 5, 2012
7:02:28 AM
Entry #: 4006462
| I was never a big fan of invites, top two teams advance, but I definity agree thats not what your getting when you split into 2 days. If no invites they should have made it fair and had every division compete on the same day
all jr pee wee in NE, etc, etc, in some cases you are clearly not getting top teams moving on !
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| Cheergurl84
November 5, 2012
7:05:34 AM
Entry #: 4006463
| So is there going to be four teams in every division insted five?
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| allcheer
November 5, 2012
7:19:59 AM
Entry #: 4006468
| You really should not rite things like that. You a hurting little girl. Who are you to tell anyone this. This post should be taking off here.
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| cheerfan06
November 5, 2012
7:26:32 AM
Entry #: 4006471
| no one is trying hurt a girl/ teams feelings competition is a good for kids, but if its not fair for all teams involved, someone elses little girl is getting hurt, simple because their team was on a certain day ? I am a cheer mom and have seen my daughters good days and bad. But I would hate to have to explain that her team was just on the full day .... not the day with 2 teams both move on. Invites should be given if all teams did not truely compete against each other.
Isnt the point to send the best down to nationals to represent NE !
NE has a ton of talent we should bring it down to nationals!!
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
7:35:03 AM
Entry #: 4006472
| Who is hurting a little girl? I have a hurt little girl at home myself who said they lied when they said they would be inviting other teams. Karen Pope made a big speech at the Saturday AM that some kids would have another chance. My daughter is sobbing calling her a liar right now, so I know about hurt little girls.
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| allcheer
November 5, 2012
7:37:19 AM
Entry #: 4006473
| It is called "regional qualifiers" for a reason. If they were not taking any other team they would of just skiped this comp.
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| cheerfan06
November 5, 2012
7:43:19 AM
Entry #: 4006474
| Ok now I agree time to pull the plug on this one
its getting a little crazy, my heart goes out to the teams that heard in invite speech on saturday ....now it does seem like they spoke to soon. Saturday was a packed day tough competition. Sad that they were given false hope .....
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| Lynette
November 5, 2012
7:47:44 AM
Entry #: 4006475
| I know people have now heard there are no other teams moving on to regionals except for the top 2 from each level/division saturday and sunday, and are upset, but please do not use this forum to bash or speak poorly of anyone. We have made it this far without having it shut down and we would like it to stay that way. Things are not always fair in life, but we all get through it and the teams will too. Good Luck to everyone on Saturday it should be a great day!
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| ProudMom02
November 5, 2012
7:49:26 AM
Entry #: 4006476
| I am truly disheartened by the no invite. We were promised and now explaining that to our children is hard and not fair. I 100% agree that if you they wanted just 4 teams at Regionals then the divisions should have been on the same day. There were lots of invites to the Regional Qualifiers giving many teams another chance. So if someone could please explain to me why it is called qualifiers if your teams score doesn't matter. Sorry very angry right now!
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| CheerFan4
November 5, 2012
8:03:29 AM
Entry #: 4006480
| they are no called invites, the team has to qualify with a certain point to compete at the next competition. maybe no one qualified???
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| ProudMom02
November 5, 2012
8:11:29 AM
Entry #: 4006484
| The thing is they DID qualify. Their reason was the comp would be too long.
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| cheerfan123
November 5, 2012
8:12:13 AM
Entry #: 4006485
| THERE ARE NO INVITES BEING GIVEN TO REGIONAL FINALS!!! FINALLY! It's about time thye ot this right!
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| cheertastic
November 5, 2012
8:19:11 AM
Entry #: 4006489
| Humor me please...... Lets say a team that did not place on Saturday but their scores show that they scored higher then the first place team on Sunday how is that fair. Isnt it the best of the best that should be competing for their chance to compete at Nationals. There is without a doubt a FLAW in the system and this is going to cause alot of heartbreaks within the EMASS "family".
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| Pro.Cheer
November 5, 2012
8:20:51 AM
Entry #: 4006490
| We have a new level this year. PW1.. so now they have the amount of teams they need for the day. They need to stop call this a Qualifier. plenty of team qualified this weekend.
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| Cheering Mommah
November 5, 2012
8:21:55 AM
Entry #: 4006491
| I honestly see both sides of the situation here. If a team has a one bad competition, then i can see perhaps they should have another "chance". However i think more harm is being done to these girls that are invited from one competition to the another to another all season long. This is just keeps getting their hopes up. I know the battle of invite versus qualified will go on forever. But i think that a team should only be invited/qualified one time per season. I know the kids get upset, but sometimes i think its the parents that are more upset.
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| Cheering Mommah
November 5, 2012
8:25:18 AM
Entry #: 4006494
| There is alot of work that goes into organizing these events and i for one appreciate all the work that goes on to make these events happen. THANK YOU!!!
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| Cheering Mommah
November 5, 2012
8:27:59 AM
Entry #: 4006496
| I am sure they took scores from both days into account when they decided to do invites or not.
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| cheertastic
November 5, 2012
8:39:31 AM
Entry #: 4006505
| Why was it allowed to be announced on Saturday about invites and then come Sunday... Oops we changed our minds
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| 5678Boom
November 5, 2012
8:55:13 AM
Entry #: 4006515
| It was announced Sunday afternoon that if any teams have a qualifying score they will be notified.
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| Cheercritic
November 5, 2012
8:55:15 AM
Entry #: 4006516
| No, this was handled wrong from the beginning by Pop Warner.
They should never have called them Qualifiers.
They should never have announced that they would be calling teams the next day who qualified.
If they wanted to insure that the very best were to represent New England Region, then they should have had ALL of the New England Region Pee Wee's & Jr Pee Wee's compete on Saturday. Top 4 Advance. Same thing with Midgets & Jr Midgets. Compete all day Sunday, top 4 advance. None of this 2 conference, 2 day crap. They way they did it this weekend was horrible! They had teams competing against nobody that got a free ride, where some divisions had as many as 14 teams competing! Not fair, system is flawed! And don't shut the board down, this is not Communist China! It's the only place we can voice our displeasure since the actual Pop Warner site is shut down!!
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| cheertastic
November 5, 2012
9:01:43 AM
Entry #: 4006520
| I seen on another post that no scores will be posted?!?! Well don't you all think that is just a little weird? They would have a complete uproar if the scores were shown. I think they should change their minds real quick now that the scores are top secret and invite those who deserve it and may the better teams represent at Nationals.
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| B W
November 5, 2012
9:05:36 AM
Entry #: 4006525
| In what sport do you compete and are not told what place you came in (if you didnt make the top 2) ????
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| cheertastic
November 5, 2012
9:22:32 AM
Entry #: 4006532
| To answer your question about in what sport do you not know your scores I believe the answer is ......... CHEERING!!!!
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| cheer&dance4life
November 5, 2012
9:30:05 AM
Entry #: 4006541
| Lynette please for our girls and our coaches who put so much time into this, from many of us in emass, We are begging you to ask them to rethink this. If time is the issue, why can't they take just the teams whose scores were extremely close to the first place team or who beat the first place team from the opposite day? Or possibly consider the divisions who had over 10 teams on one day, but only two on the second? Considering there are hundreds of little girls who were told on Saturday "just because I don't call your name now doesn't mean you won't be here next weekend", I think this would be more fair than taking no one. Please. Many of us in emass are losing faith in our region and it's so upsetting to those of us who have been around for a long time and love this program.
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| Cheer36
November 5, 2012
9:41:08 AM
Entry #: 4006545
| I totally agree...they should have done all regions together...jr pee and peewee one day and jr midget and midget another...not fair to the teams who had so many to compete against and other teams having 1 or 2
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
9:46:24 AM
Entry #: 4006550
| I agree that this was not well thought out. You really shouldn't have invited teams to qualifiers either. An invite team took second in our division.
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| pop warner mama
November 5, 2012
9:50:50 AM
Entry #: 4006554
| Lynette and Pop Warner Board... i do see both sides and have never been a fan of the invite. In football playoffs once you lose, you are out.. HOWEVER - in this instance your decision not to have invites is wrong. You knew how many teams were competing from the beginning and therefore it should have NEVER been announced on Saturday AND Sunday that you will hear soon about invites. Please reconsider for this year and stand by your words and starting next year if the new rule is no invite then it will be clear from the beginning. Way too many girls are disappointed and angry as to the way this is being held. You shouldn't be able to change your mind last minute no matter what the reason. Next season start fresh with clearly defined rules - this season, overturn your decision for the sake of the girls and NE/Emass families.
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| Lynette
November 5, 2012
9:57:13 AM
Entry #: 4006562
| Hi, Sorry I can not help with this. I understand everyone being upset, but EMASS has 50 great teams representing at Regional's let's focus on them and back them 200%.
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| 5678Boom
November 5, 2012
10:01:51 AM
Entry #: 4006566
| If this is true and there are NO teams with Qualifying scores advancing to Regionals then I need to book my flights now!
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| cheer&dance4life
November 5, 2012
10:05:22 AM
Entry #: 4006572
| We do back them 200% but it's just not okay to shrug this off. This was done totally wrong and it's even more wrong that this is how we are finding out about it- coming on the message board. I hope that whoever is responsible will post a public apology on the ne region site and explain how the mistake was made from one day telling us one thing to the next it being totally different. And more importantly how it WON'T happen again, because I for one cannot let my daughters continue in a program that seems to change the rules on a yearly and now daily basis.
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| CoachCheer
November 5, 2012
10:08:27 AM
Entry #: 4006577
| I think they need to get rid of qualifiers. When I cheered for Pop Warner, it was Division Champions, Regional Champions and National Champions. No States or qualifiers. I believe it was the top 2 continued to move on.
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| FootballCheery
November 5, 2012
10:08:32 AM
Entry #: 4006579
| Karen Pope should be chiming in here. It was totally and completely wrong to mention ANYTHING about invites on Saturday. These girls have been on pins and needles since Saturday HOPING to get that email or call. For her to say what she said was just awful. They should have announced first/second and LEFT IT AT THAT. To have surprised the girls on Monday would have been a bonus. I am not a fan of invites either - but if you say it - honor it. As it is - there are teams with no competition - its hard enough to keep those girls motivated and now this? Just awful in my opinion.
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| FootballCheery
November 5, 2012
10:13:08 AM
Entry #: 4006587
| @ cheeranddance4life - YOU ARE 200% CORRECT - COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOUR POST MORE - SPOT ON!
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
10:13:57 AM
Entry #: 4006589
| What a disaster. What a sad way for some of us to end our seasons. My girls for one had a bad day, lots of issues on the mat, just not their A game. They were so hopeful to prove themselves because Karen Pope herself said they may have a chance. Family's spent a full day and a half waiting for word. Just really REALLY poorly handled, and a lot of hurt kids who feel lied to. And can you blame them? Especially when an invited team took second in their division.
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| cheer LEADER
November 5, 2012
10:28:45 AM
Entry #: 4006600
| I for one am happy there are no invites. My team struggled and worked hard to win Qualifiers and we earned our spot for this upcoming weekend. First and second place should be the only teams moving on.
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| Lynette
November 5, 2012
10:35:32 AM
Entry #: 4006604
| I am sorry you found out by coming on this board, but it just proves people don't think about other people before posting. There were alot of great teams that didn't qualify to move on to the qualifiers, they sat home and said the same thing we had a bad day, why can't we go? Those teams aren't on this board saying they deserve another chance too. If it was presented to the team correctly, Like sorry girls we are not moving on, but we had a great season, they would of been upset but accepted it. It's all in the presentation and showing bad sportmanship by posting it on this board before anyone knew if wrong. Please let's drop this and if you have something else to say, please email it to your conference coordinator and let them handle it.
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| FootballCheery
November 5, 2012
10:36:57 AM
Entry #: 4006605
| Maybe the NE Region Website is down for a reason? Just sayin.........
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| pwcheermother
November 5, 2012
10:44:23 AM
Entry #: 4006613
| As a parent of 3 cheerleaders, none of which made it to Springfield, all I can say is, POST THE SCORES!!! All scores from all competitions should be posted on their conference website, with regionals posted on the regional website. As someone echoed earlier, this is the only sport where you do not know what your opposition scored.
As far as the football reference, if the scores on day 1 are higher than the scores on day 2, we don't say to the losing teams on day 1 you scored more points and lost than the winning team on day 2??
It is not Pop Warners fault if your squad had a bad day on the mat. How about all of the teams that were not even there because they had a bad day at leagues?? How many of them do you think would have loved one more chance?? I know 2 of mine would!!
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| B W
November 5, 2012
10:47:39 AM
Entry #: 4006616
| Not only do you not know the scores, but you can't even tell your girls what place they came in.... POST THE SCORES!
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| Cheercritic
November 5, 2012
10:51:57 AM
Entry #: 4006618
| Lynette,
Hope you or someone can answer this.
On Saturday in the MM3 Division you had 11 teams competing for 2 spots (1st & 2nd place). 9 Teams did not hear their names called.
On Sunday, only 2 teams competed in the MM3 Division. (N. Attleboro & Medway). They both automatically moved on.
Is this fair?
Do you truly believe that NONE of the 9 teams on Saturday were better than the 2 Sunday teams that received the free ride?
PLEASE GIVE AN EXPLANATION!!!
The best ARE NOT being represented at Regionals!!
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| CheerWatcher
November 5, 2012
11:11:54 AM
Entry #: 4006629
| Just caught wind of this.
The whole thing stinks!!
Word of mouth is the only way we are finding out about this mess? Step up Pop Warner, own up to your mistake and send out apology emails.
Name a sporting event where a family spends over $200 on tickets, shirts, DVD's & food, and when they left, they didn't know the scores of every team that competed.. AHHHH, there isn't one!
I also agree that New England will not have their best cheer squads representing at Finals.
They botched it and can't come up with a good excuse to explain themselves.
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| ProudMom02
November 5, 2012
11:19:34 AM
Entry #: 4006638
| I get more and more angry with each post. I am sorry Lynnette but I do feel that you have a voice in this situation. I ALWAYS support all squads and cheer for them. If we should be contacting someone else, please give me their email and I would love to send them a message and get a response from them. This decision should be overturned and put back to the way it was told it was going to be. If you want to change rules you don't do it after the fact! If there were to be no "invites" then there shouldn't have been any from day one, not at the competition that is called QUALIFIERS!
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| cheertastic
November 5, 2012
11:21:31 AM
Entry #: 4006639
| Well said. I would love to know who passed down the word of no invites and would love to contact them personally along with alot of other people.
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| ProudMom02
November 5, 2012
11:24:17 AM
Entry #: 4006641
| They talk about us supporting the other teams 200%. I do, but who is supporting the ones that were made a promise only then to have it taken away. I say we all get the email of the person who made this decision and let them know how we feel. Who is willing to give this to us????
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| newcheermom81
November 5, 2012
11:28:08 AM
Entry #: 4006644
| I don't like confrontation or complaining but as an EASTERN MA CHAMPION who did have an off day at "qualifiers" I'm sure we were the invite considering we beat the teams moving on previously I'm not mad about my hard work ending the way it did I'm hEARTBROKEN @ the fact that these cheerleaders did go home & did not go to bed waiting on an invite to learn that an adult/director/authority did take back their word on invites as a POP WARNER organization you let down MANY families who will think twice about ever putting their child through that again, and you shall be held accountable for such a mistake. #systemflawed.
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| Lynette
November 5, 2012
11:31:07 AM
Entry #: 4006646
| I do not have a voice in this situation to over turn the decision of the region. My post said to email your conference coordinator. If you are from emass then you know who that person is. If not then email your League Director and they will pass it along. I will not respond on this board any longer, as I do not like how people are handling themselves on here. Good Luck to everyone.
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| newcheermom81
November 5, 2012
11:31:25 AM
Entry #: 4006647
| Proud mom02 couldn't agree more. Maybe next yr ill send all my cheerleaders to allstars where the rules are set forth & the expectations are known and this is coming from someone who has been in pop warner for over 12 yrs. Its sad but I've never experienced something like this as someone very involved.
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| love2cheer247
November 5, 2012
11:35:09 AM
Entry #: 4006650
| no one is guaranteed an invite. your kids should know that it just a possibility and not definite thing. hopefully the coaches didnt tell there kids that they would be getting the invite and build them up when they know its only a possibility. who is to say that your team would have gotten the invite anyway?
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| ProudMom02
November 5, 2012
11:40:55 AM
Entry #: 4006658
| love2cheer, not getting the invite because you did not have the qualifying points I could understand. Being told there would be invites and then to have it taken away is what I have the problem with.
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| love2cheer247
November 5, 2012
11:44:44 AM
Entry #: 4006660
| maybe no ones scores were that close and they felt like they didn't need to have any invites. i think maybe some people were just relying on a second chance and are mad they didn't get it ( again, even though an invite is not guaranteed to any team)
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| CheerWatcher
November 5, 2012
11:44:53 AM
Entry #: 4006662
| We're not talking about guaranteed invite.
What we are talking about is to "qualify".
The definition of "qualify" as we were led to believe, was that if your team met or exceeded the average score of the 1st & 2nd place scores from the second day comps, then you would "qualify". This is what they used last year.
Pop Warner failed to use this system this year.
There are many teams that would have moved on this weekend if the "qualify" system was used correctly.
As it stands now, New England Regional Finals WILL NOT have the best competing on Saturday.
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
11:46:24 AM
Entry #: 4006665
| To say those of us who posted the truth here about no invites "didn't think of others feelings" how is that the case?
Do you think they should have kept their hopes up a little longer? Is that considering their feelings?
Also we all understand no one is guaranteed and invite, but when you tell and 8 or 9 year old there is a chance, the BELIEVE YOU with all their hearts because they respect you as a leader. To just tell them no, that there are none, it was a mistake or a lie... Well you crush their dreams and their faith in the people who they are looking up to. And parents have to deal with the questions of "why did she say that?" NOT Karen Pope. So then you end up with angry parents with NO explanations to offer their crying daughters.
So if anyone didn't think of others feelings it certainly wasn't me or other people who relayed this info. They deserve to know the truth.
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| love2cheer247
November 5, 2012
11:50:50 AM
Entry #: 4006668
| the teams that placed saturday beat all the other teams in there category. to me that would mean they are the best in that division and deserve to go on regionals and who over places there is the best of the best and will proudly represent there leagues at nationals. no invites or second chances needed..
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| ProudMom02
November 5, 2012
11:52:14 AM
Entry #: 4006669
| CheerWatcher and CheerMama I couldn't agree more. I am trying to find out if any other areas got "invites". If anyone finds out please let us know. Also, if anyone else knows who else to contact, please let me know. I would love to have this decision overturned, regardless of if my child's team met the points or not. If they did they should move on if they did not, then they shouldn't. Not because they changed their minds about qualifying scores.
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| Cheercritic
November 5, 2012
11:54:05 AM
Entry #: 4006673
| I have taken Lynettes advice and sent an email to Karen Pope Of New England Region.
kpope@net1plus.com
Maybe some of you can get a response from her as these girls at least deserve a response for the huge mess they have created.
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
11:54:14 AM
Entry #: 4006674
| Lovetocheer247 you are missing the big component that many third and fourth place teams potentially scored higher than Sundays winners. So no, teams at regionals may not BE the "best of the best."
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| love2cheer247
November 5, 2012
11:57:42 AM
Entry #: 4006677
| cheermama- its is not a mistake or a lie. would it have been easier to tell your 8 or 9 year old sorry you didn't get an invite or that no invites were going to be given out? they just decided that they weren't going to give out any invites. end of story. people seem to just want something to complain about.
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| B W
November 5, 2012
11:58:52 AM
Entry #: 4006679
| Again, can't we atleast find out what place each team came in AFTER 1st and 2nd ???
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| dal6
November 5, 2012
11:59:13 AM
Entry #: 4006680
| I agree that some teams from Saturday certainly outscored some Sundays teams, and perhaps some of Sundays scores were higher than Saturdays....However, unless Region Posts ALL the scores, how will anyone know ??? NE website is down, I wonder why?
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| love2cheer247
November 5, 2012
11:59:30 AM
Entry #: 4006681
| cheermama- i understand that but maybe they didnt score higher? im sure they had a reason not to give out invites
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
12:00:13 PM
Entry #: 4006682
| I would rather say it wasn't their day and they didn't qualify. At least I have an explanation. At least parents wouldn't have to say "we don't know why she said that teams would get invited and then decided not to."
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
12:02:09 PM
Entry #: 4006685
| I was told that 99 teams is enough and the day was too long for judges and workers. Well a little simple math before hand could have saved a lot of tears.
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
12:03:30 PM
Entry #: 4006687
| And I agree. Let's see some scores. What's the big secret?
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| ProudMom02
November 5, 2012
12:05:09 PM
Entry #: 4006690
| love2cheer247 I do not believe that people are just looking for something to complain about. We are just looking for an explanation. The only one that we have received is that there would be too many teams competing and it would take too long. If what truly the fact that we did not receive the qualifying points then it would be easier to explain to your team/child.
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| love2cheer247
November 5, 2012
12:05:15 PM
Entry #: 4006691
| you can tell them the same thing, it wasn't there day and they didn't get an invite. people are making such a big deal about this. its the same as if they said they were doing invites and no one qualified for one..
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| Cheering Mommah
November 5, 2012
12:09:29 PM
Entry #: 4006693
| WE have always told our team, its first or second or we are going home. To qualify or to get invited is NOT a guarantee!!!! NO teams was told "Hey the team so and so will be invited" by the judges. They said invites would be announced sunday night or monday or whatever" unless you placed first or second, there are no guarantees. So shame on any coach or coordinator that assume they would receive one and told their girls!
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| 5678Boom
November 5, 2012
12:09:51 PM
Entry #: 4006694
| Could it be you are all freaking out based on what one person "heard" and may have heard or interpretted wrong???? and it spread like wild fire on this board????
Why don't we wait for the "Official" word.
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| Flyeronwall
November 5, 2012
12:09:59 PM
Entry #: 4006695
| love2cheer, people are not on hear just to complain.. They are here here because a terrible decision has been made, and they are trying to reach out to anyone who will listen to them, and try to make things right!! There are many teams who probably would have qualified, but are not getting phone calls because of this horrible mistake. This competion name was called QUALIFIERS! There were teams from Saturday that were better than Sundays winners and vice versa... Also, in the past, there have been many teams that made it to Regionals via qualifying, and not only made it to Disney, but came home National Champs!! So don't say that the best is being represented, because that's not true.
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| Cheering Mommah
November 5, 2012
12:11:08 PM
Entry #: 4006698
| right on love2cheer247!!!
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| love2cheer247
November 5, 2012
12:12:41 PM
Entry #: 4006700
| loudandproud i agree 100%
and to say that the 2 teams that placed on saturday arent the best of the best are and im sure they will prove it again this saturday.
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| Cheermama7
November 5, 2012
12:17:39 PM
Entry #: 4006709
| Loudandproud and lovetocheer247, we coaches didn't tell these kids anything. KAREN POPE DID. And I'm sure no one told their kids an invite was guaranteed. But when you have Karen Pope telling them "don't lose hope kids, some teams on this mat will have another chance next weekend" and then she just decides "never mind", well that's not cool. Don't TELL these kids to hold out hope then take it away!
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| CheerCoach33
November 5, 2012
12:20:53 PM
Entry #: 4006712
| All I will say is this, no one ever seems to be happy with the decisions that are made. If teams that didn't place top 2 "Qualify" (not invite) and advance to the next competition...people complain. Now they're not inviting Qualifying teams to the next competition...again, people complain. I don't think we're teaching our children a good lesson by complaining when your team does not win, or does not advance. It doesn't teach a good life lesson. I would hope you're at least talking with your children and explaining sportsmanship, and sometimes you don't always win.
I will say, I agree that this decision not to advance teams that didn't place in Top 2 should have been made more upstream. All they had to do was look at the amount of divisions, and top 2 teams in each division would equal 100. They could have said last week that the decision was made, and only Top 2 teams will advance. That being said, there's always human error that needs to be taken into consideration, and we must forgive. I for one think this competition was made to eliminate the amount of teams going to NE Regionals, and thats why its called a "Qualifier". I could understand if they advanced qualifying teams at League Competitions to go to Eastern MA, then again advance teams from Eastern MA to Qualifiers that qualified. However, this competition is called a NE Qualifier. Which to me means, Top 2 teams in each division. You qualify by placing in Top 2. So I think this decision is fair, I just wish for the sake of everyone complaining now, that the decision was made prior to Sunday night. I cheered in the days of No Invites, and No Divisions. Everyone competed against everyone. I now can accept a loss when it is just and right. Look at the boys in playoffs, one loss and they're eliminated. Lets teach our children good life lessons, my friends.
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| momofcheer4
November 7, 2012
12:00:32 PM
Entry #: 4008001
| Hi All you cheer Moms and coaches
We was told that they was going announce the invites on Sunday evening. But for whatever reason nobody got an invite. So move on and prepare your child for next year. The complaining shows that you are more upset about the invites than the children. The invites are only for Popwarner to fill up the stands. The only wrong that was done was that they said there was going to be invites and changed their minds. My team didn't place and I told them that they MAY get invited and we waited but was not upset that we didn't get it. SO put on your grown women/men pants and toughen up. I think that they should just stay consistent with what they do as far as the invites. My girls wanted to win never mind the invite. But stop taking the fun out of cheerleading. Most of the teams in this post have probably already been to regionals more than once. So be greatful for that. YOU ARE TAKING THE FUN OUT IF BY COMPLAINING. TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR. THANKS
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| Fan1211
November 7, 2012
2:55:37 PM
Entry #: 4008119
| Does anyone know why there are 5 teams in PeeWee medium 1 division. Based upon the "no invite" decision, shouldn't there only be 4? Just Curious.
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| cheermom444
November 7, 2012
3:54:36 PM
Entry #: 4008163
| I dont think everyone should be going after Karen Pope. she is a very nice women and does not deserve all the nasty things you all are saying about her. I was there when she said IF a team are to qualify they will know at awards on sunday. And she said IF it was not a guarantee so everyone needs to grow up, and just try again next year. No need to be nasty to everyone and insulting a women that does so much for pop warner. Thanks.
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| MsCheer
November 7, 2012
4:12:38 PM
Entry #: 4008174
| Honestly I think they need to consider breaking down qualifiers differently so there are the same amount each day & then have no invites. To me I think a qualifier is meant to eliminate some teams so there aren't as many, bringing the best of the best to regionals. But the way it was split it seems this didn't happen. It is what it is, there is no changing it now! Good luck to all teams competing on Sunday!
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| CheerWatcher
November 7, 2012
5:11:33 PM
Entry #: 4008214
| They need to change the qualifiers. Because of the way NE PW has it now set up, many good cheer squads will be sitting home on Saturday when they should be competing at Finals. I know, I know, whats done is done.. Doesn't change the fact that during the qualifier competition, there were cheer squads on saturday that were better than the squads that competed on sunday. Yet the squads on sunday advanced. For some of these girls it was their last year to cheer in PW, and they feel bitter about what happened. Let's hope that PW gets it right next year. Good luck to all competing on saturday.
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| cheer dad lpw
November 7, 2012
6:59:58 PM
Entry #: 4008277
| 11 midget teams on sat 2 on sunday just not right good luck to ALL E-MASS TEAMS
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| FancyNancy70
November 8, 2012
1:59:09 PM
Entry #: 4008629
| Ouch!! 11 teams compete on the 1st day qualifiers and only 2 teams compete on 2nd day? And those 2 teams advanced? It's a qualifier. If all teams in that classification competed on same day, they wouldn't have this controversy. Makes no sense. I guess we too would be disappointed if we were one of the 8 teams sent home on saturday.
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| Love2cheerxo
November 8, 2012
4:29:09 PM
Entry #: 4008708
| Im a little thrown here, if they are NOT allowing invites that would shorten how many teams are there, so why would you still only take 6 girls on to the mat at awards if your not going to have all those other teams??
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| Lynette
November 8, 2012
5:12:36 PM
Entry #: 4008739
| Even with only having 6 girls and 1 coach last weekend the floor was still crowded. There is still 119 teams this weekend so they decided to leave it the same. Don't worry from what I hear the girls in the stands had a great time and were happy to be up there dancing and cheering.
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| Lynette
November 8, 2012
5:19:28 PM
Entry #: 4008746
| Not sure what division you are talking about dad lpw. There were definitely more then 2 Midget teams on Sunday.
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| FancyNancy70
November 8, 2012
5:21:15 PM
Entry #: 4008747
| I'm from NJ and in all four of our Eastern PW Regional Qualifiers, we have the younger PW & JPW compete on Saturday. Our older Midgets & JM compete on Sunday. We also have 2 days of Regional Finals with the same format.
What I'm trying to understand is why your Qualifiers would have teams, declared in the same category, MM3, competing on two different days? If only 4 teams are advancing to your Regional Finals, you were putting the conference with 11 teams at a huge disadvantage, with only 2 advancing. Yet the Conference with 2 teams in it, advanced by default, as they were the only teams competing. Am I missing something?
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| CheerWatcher
November 8, 2012
5:25:17 PM
Entry #: 4008750
| Lynette,
He was talking about Sunday having only 2 Midget Medium 3 teams. North Attleboro and Medway. They automatically advanced because there were only 2 teams. Saturday had 11.
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| Lynette
November 8, 2012
5:35:22 PM
Entry #: 4008757
| We did that many years ago and people complained that it took up to much of their time. So the way we have been doing it has worked until this year with another added division. I am sure they will revisit it again for next year. Good Luck to everyone on Saturday.
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| Cheer1969
November 8, 2012
6:59:08 PM
Entry #: 4008798
| Seeing what happened at qualifiers on Saturday I have a couple of thoughts. First is please don't let that happen again! That was bad! In past years people have complained about "qualifying or invites". If advancing a team because they "qualified" by outscoring other teams, then I'm all for that. Our Everett team in 2009 advanced to Regional Finals because of an invite. We scored higher than teams competing in the 2nd day competition. We placed 2nd at Regional, and went to Disney where we became NATIONAL CHAMPIONS! So, if done correctly, it works. The spirit of the rule! But that did not happen this year, and hopefully it's fixed. After reading other comments above, my second thought is for Qualifiers, why not have all teams from the same category compete on the same day? Top four teams trophy and advance, no more whining about not getting an invite to Regionals! The cream will rise to the top! Either way, it has to be fixed.
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| FancyNancy70
November 8, 2012
7:25:15 PM
Entry #: 4008815
| Well, with this subject viewed almost 4500 times in 4 days, it's certainly a Hot Button Topic!
I'm sure "The Powers That Be" understand this, and will have a solution to rectify the situation next year. It happened, what's done is done, and I'm sure they feel bad about it, but they'll repair it. They're good people who probably didn't see this coming.
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| FancyNancy70
November 9, 2012
8:39:58 AM
Entry #: 4008964
| In Eastern Region, we post results from all 4 of our qualifiers. North, South, Metro are on the Regional site, Central qualifier got pushed back till tomorrow due to hurricane. Just another way for everyone to see that best teams are advancing. Doesn't leave anything out on the table for questioning.
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| B W
November 9, 2012
9:01:28 AM
Entry #: 4008975
| Well, I am a coach of a team that did not advance and STILL does not know the scores of our division.... and when I asked our CHEER DIRECTOR for the scores... she replies that she doesnt know the scores, however she could tell me what place we came... how is that possible to know one and not the other.... i think it is a lack of respect on her behalf... And I am not part of eastern mass... however I love this forum.
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| FancyNancy70
November 9, 2012
9:44:50 AM
Entry #: 4008995
| Again, we're in NJ, Eastern Region.
That decision is probably up to your NE Region.
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| Cheer1969
November 9, 2012
12:59:56 PM
Entry #: 4009141
| My heart goes out to all the girls whose teams may have qualified, but were not able to advance to Regionals because of the unfortunate situation. As it stands, with all the new categories this year, 119 teams will be at Finals. Even though there were probably MANY teams that would have eligible/qualified to advance, because of the number of teams already going, NE had to make a very tough decision, no invites to ALL of the teams that may have qualified. I'm also sure that Pop Warner feels terrible about this knowing there were deserving teams that won't be competing tomorrow. The show must go on!
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| FootballCheery
November 9, 2012
2:00:56 PM
Entry #: 4009212
| It ALL needs to change. They need to go back to the basics:
Small/Large Teams
Novice/Intermediate/Advanced
NO INVITES and declarations should be made by someone OTHER than the individual associations.
Teams in certain categories have no compettition with the games that are played and it is not fair - mainly to the girls that work so hard day in/day out.
Just on person's opinion :)
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| FancyNancy70
November 9, 2012
2:45:08 PM
Entry #: 4009247
| This was a Pop Warner national decision to add more category & levels. Thus created more teams competing at Nationals. I don't think Pop Warner at the local level realized how this was going to affect them until it was too late. Some of the people in this chat have excellent solutions, as a change is definitely needed.
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