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| Shizz
October 16, 2010
4:40:48 PM
Entry #: 3594003
| First time in awhile I started a thread but last night just got me even more frustrated in the way that the came is being called on offense and that the way you can tell that when you know offense or when you know a play...for instance there was a time in the game where Wilson pump fakes which is good but when he intends to throw the ball opposite side he throws it short instead of throwing deep which leads into an interception...and that leads me to the point that the passing game or theoffensive plabook hasn't gone too far...a play like that would be there if when you are beating a team 50-0 or 40-0 or whatever when you go against a team like Perry hey you've ran it before you would be more confident in throwing it the pass or touchdown or whatever would be there...another example of knowin that the passing game has just now started going and this is what is so stupid is that on bakc to back plays in the 4th quarter Wilson threw a pump and go to Wroblewski on the same side into triple coverage on a one man route a pump and go to Wroblewski when it was Wroblewski on that side goin downfield and no other reciever on the side...the play didn't fool anybody...ok now in another series in the same 4th quarter they run a bubble or flare screen to Jones on that side..now why not if you're goin pump and go run those two routes together?...then in the overtime Perry scores on a nice pass where Gill doesn't pick up the back coming out of the backfield...that's b.s. scouting kid gets 47 carries with the ball..all night you seen him running the ball so on the last scoring play he floats out to the flat and you are just doin the matador thing too him? don't blame Gill as much as the info that was supposed to be there form the coaches "hey watch for this if this happens" hell everyone knows what Perry likes to do it's 1st down gain 3-4 yards...2nd down...3-4 more yards and 3rd down it's 1st down....play action...etc. I just want the Rams to have an offense where we may go shotgun here...we may go Wing-T here...no backs here...we may go trips this side...maybe some Pistol...we may run option from gun... we may run option from the Wing-T... we will do more on offense when gettin beat than just running the same play over and over and over....on thelast drive of the game 3 plays were a option option up the middle or QB keeper up the middle...where is other plays in the playbook? We need someone who can call multiple formations...plays etc. or this team won't do nothin when they are down 3-0...
Shiz
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| Dutchman
October 16, 2010
4:58:51 PM
Entry #: 3594012
| My predictions are coming through. Stepping up to a stronger opponent is showing the weaknesses we are faced with. Again, you don't start a passing attact by waiting until the end of season. And our "end of the season" is getting close. We simply lost too many horses from last year and need to realize it. I don't know what the answer is this year, but I do know that if we are lucky in the sectionals, the Regional is not going to be a pretty thing. I think the kids are doing well with the "hand" they have been dealt.
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| 934
October 16, 2010
10:06:54 PM
Entry #: 3594155
| I agree with Shiz. Play calling leaves alot to be desired. PC packed the middle, what did we do? Kept running down the middle. The last series of the game was as predictable as Christmas falling on December 25th each year. Again PC packed the middle and we did not run outside until the second half and what happened in the second half? 3 first downs and a touch down to the outside. In the overtime what happened? Kameda scores to the outside. Jones's score was the first rushing score againts PC all year and it was what? To the outside. When the game was on the line we try and shove it up the middle. I to do not blame the kids but the play calling of the OC.
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| gorams
October 18, 2010
12:21:44 PM
Entry #: 3595316
| The offense is predictable. If you recall, a few years ago we were just as predictable when Wes started as OC. Maybe even more so than now. By last season, he had enough experience he did a great job mixing up the plays. We are going through the same learning curve now with our new OC. He will get there too, hopefully very quickly. We obviously need a balanced attack both run and pass. The slotbacks have considerably less carries and yards than last year. Randolph and Wilson gained a lot of yards with pitch plays that were designed to go off tackle and the counter play, both inside runs. We have hardly seen that at all this year. The slots can help both inside and outside. I would think it would be a lot tougher for a DC to have to try to stop 4 guys instead of 2. As far as passing goes, an option team has a huge passing game advantage if they will use play action. The reason is obvious as the defense is in a 'stop the run' mentality. We throw away that advantage when the Qb just drops back, yet almost all our pass plays are just that. I don't understand why we don't use play action on every pass play. Perry hurt us with it for sure. We need to open things up. In the Salem game we ran inside and outside, and in the Mitchell game we ran inside,outside and passed. In those two games we had more total offense than last year's team. I was encouraged that the offense would become wide open and dynamic, but starting with the Valley game we have become conservative. Perhaps the coaches have been "holding the cards close to their chest" and will open things up for the sectional.
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| Dutchman
October 18, 2010
5:47:27 PM
Entry #: 3595663
| I'm not going to try and outguess our OC, but I can you this, we'd better be able to both pass and run when we start playing teams much stronger than Salem and Mitchell. We've got lulled into this false sense of confidence but of our past successes and the record this year. Mitchell and Salem are two of the weakest teams in 2A.
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| alumni22
October 19, 2010
8:07:57 AM
Entry #: 3596070
| Let me first start out by saying that I support the coaching staff whole heartedly. The time that they put in, the sacrificies they make, and the time that they spend away from their own families shows how dedicated that they are. It makes me ill to listen to these fair weather fans get on sites like this and complain about losing a game to very good Perry Central team. We are 7-2 for goodness sakes. We would have been dancing in the streets 5 years ago for that record! Mr. Schizz, how many years have you been coaching football? Was it a defensive linemans responsibility to cover a back out of the bacfield? Are you serious??? I feel dumber for having read that! And for you to get on here constantly and complain about numerous sports and athletes drives me nuts! Do you have nothing better to do than run down 16 and 17 year old kids? Heres an idea, take some grammar courses at the local community learning center. It would different if you knew what you were talking about but is blatantly obvious that you don't. Try being a true fan and support people rather than gripe and moan because we didn't win a close game. Do you think the coaches don't go back and look at things they could have done differently? They do that even in the games that they win easily. And as for Mr. Jones... woops, I mean 934, how many times a game do you think we can run our Rocket play before that stops working? That is a complimentary play to our mid and veer. We suck them in and then get to the edge. Everyone wants their kids to do well and I understand that, but at the same time at the end of the day you have to stick to your guns and execute. Some people are toxic to team sports and it just so happens I think I have called out a few that would help out more if they stay at home and listen on the radio!
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| gorams
October 19, 2010
9:31:52 AM
Entry #: 3596125
| Thank you alumni 22, you could not have put it better. I think we are doing pretty well for a "rebuilding year". As you noted, these kids have worked their rears off in both the season and off season. The coaches put in an insane number of hours year around. The athletic ability of the kids now is not really any different than the teams that couldn't win under Scalf. The difference is in the work ethic of both the players and the coaches. The boys walk on the field knowing they are in better shape, better prepared, and will out hustle our opponents. Most importantly, they go out there expecting to win.
The least we can do is give them our complete support. As I stated in a previous post, a number of the players read this blog, they don't need to see anything but support from us. Sure, it is OK to speculate as to "would we be more effective if we did this or that", but those thoughts should never be posted in a way that is negative toward the team. In the end the coaches know what is best for our kids. The kids see themselves as a team, they don't care who does what, as long as we are successful. Please think about what you have written before you hit Enter.
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| Ram fan
October 19, 2010
10:13:39 AM
Entry #: 3596157
| Personally, I am extremely proud of our kids. It is without a doubt these kids have a lot of confidence in themselves and trust each other like family. We may get beat from time to time, but no one is in better physical shape than our kids and they take pride in that.
Good luck in the sectional, Rams!!!
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| 934
October 19, 2010
11:15:05 AM
Entry #: 3596220
| First I don't want someone else getting credit for my opinion. The (Mr) Jones thing is wrong.
Second I love all these boys. They have worked hard and play hard. I respect coach B' and what he has done. But still it is all about the boys. Coach B' has built a great program. I don't agree with him on everything but is that not normal? I have not heard the Shizz or anyone else bash the boys. That would be wrong and should not happen. It was child like to bash the Shizz like that. The nature of the beast of coaching is people ask questions. Nothing wrong with that either. Mr. Alumni I am sure you ask questions and make observations about the people around you on a daily basis ie (leadership-Admin). It is imature to tell someone who has an opinion and makes observations to "stay home" the stands would be empty. Most think it but less really say it for fear of, well being told to stay home. You can't wear your heart on your coaching shirt. It is normal for people to make observations and voice an opinion. It happens in the stands, work, school, forums......... You do it Alumni and it is normal to ask why.
Let me make it clear, I love our boys, I respect Coach B' and what he has done. But for others who don't like opinions and observations of others I don't know what to tell you.
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| alumni22
October 19, 2010
12:26:23 PM
Entry #: 3596285
| Maybe I did run off at the mouth a little. However, opinions are generally based on accurrate observations and when people form opinions based on anythimg else but that, it's annoying. I have seen these post on here from the Schizz for over a year now and very few if any are positive. He bashes coaches and yes players constantly and yet calls himself a fan. It would just be nice to hear someone compliment all the good things that are occuring rather than always focusing on the negatives. Word!!!
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| Dutchman
October 19, 2010
3:19:06 PM
Entry #: 3596476
| To be objective, it's easy to give praise and we should all give praise for not only our players, but the coaches. However, don't pay yourself too hard, look at the records of those seven teams we have beat. Not exactly stellar. It's easy to have this kind of record when the opponents that you're playing is extremely weak and is of little or no competition. "just the facts, ma'm".
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| Shizz
October 19, 2010
7:56:37 PM
Entry #: 3596681
| Looks as though I couldn't make it through another full year without someone coming on a forum and complaining about how I am the bad guy...
Shiz
934: whos this Mr. Jones he speaks of?
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| 2010/77
October 19, 2010
11:39:54 PM
Entry #: 3596864
| ya shizz i am a deffensive lineman and it is not my job to drop back into any sort of coverage at all what i did was see and realize that there was no one on this guy and that the ball was going to him and so i tried to stop what happened from happening as best as i could but couldn't get there fast enough
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| alumni22
October 20, 2010
8:27:40 AM
Entry #: 3596987
| As far as our record goes Mr. Dutchmen, are you saying in a round about way that we aren't any good? That is kind of what it sounds like to me. you can't help who is in your conference. However, Dub Dub will probably do pretty well in the tournament and Valley is much improved and then throw in the two teams we have been beat by and I think our schedule looks tougher than last year. I think if it was that easy to schedule tough teams coach B would have us playing Jasper, Heritage Hills, Brownstown, and Southridge. He realizes that teams like Providence and Mater Dei that play killer schedules come into the tournament well prepared for the competition of the tournament.
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| Dutchman
October 20, 2010
2:55:50 PM
Entry #: 3597263
| Since records can be deceiving, I have referenced Sagaran Ratings for this comparison. Realizing that we don't have any options with our conference schedule, our overall ranking with Saragrin is 153rd, with our schedule toughness with a ranking of 291. What this points out to me is that the PLAC is a very weak conference. How do we compare to our competition:
Salem: Ranking 295/ Schedule Rank 197
Crawford County: Ranking 303/ Schedule Rank: 225
Eastern Greene: Ranking 296/ Schedule Rank:284
Mitchell: Ranking 270/ Schedule Rank: 251 North Harrison: Ranking 268/ Schedule Rank: 214 Springs Valley: Ranking 248/ Schedule Rank: 288 West Washington: Ranking 174/ Schedule Rank:281 Corydon: Ranking 118/ Schedule Rank: 260, and Perry Central: Ranking 158/ Schedule Rank: 243.
The only thing I will say is that "the players have no input as to the schedule." Perhaps it's good we play a very weak schedule and thus guarantee ourselves of a decent record. That's good for morale. Coach B does have input as to the non conference teams we play.
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| Shizz
October 20, 2010
6:05:59 PM
Entry #: 3597418
| 77/2010: I appreciate you explaining your job on that particular play....take as a compliment and not an insult
Dutchman: what team or teams are you going to drop from our schedule and replace them with?
Shiz
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| Dutchman
October 20, 2010
8:23:34 PM
Entry #: 3597496
| Shizz_
It's not my job to schedule the teams. I'm just saying we should look at other possibilities instead of playing the same old schedule. We play one of the weakest schedules in the State of Indiana. We could be God awful and still have a decent record.
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| Donnie Baker
October 20, 2010
11:16:55 PM
Entry #: 3597588
| Man I swear to god you guys crack me up arguin over this stuff like midgets over the kiddie urinal... between spazz and the Dutch oven I don't know who is smarter. Schlitz if these perry dudes just want to get 3 or four yards a clip they must not get how to play... I sware to god when I played back in 8th grade we tried to score the ball every time. You can look it up I'll say it to your face! not tryin to score is liking takin a butter face to your prom man... that's just foolish. and 8124 or 934 or 8675309 whatever man i aint good with numbers.. you seem to be real concerned with kids and packin the middle.. you got somethin you wanna tell us? i'm pretty sure that's a state law you can look it up.. sounds like you need a slumpbuster I sware to god you do.. y'all keep worryin about the OC like you've ever been to calfiornia. If my hands weren't registered weapons, i'd say it to your face but i'm still tryin to beat the rap on some junk Randy made up talkin bout paying for stuff i eat on break.. whatever man this alumni dude is gettin all rough and ready.. he needs to back up 'fore he gets jacked up. hey shatz i can predict your next great philosophical mind blast... it's either gonna be that it takes the cops an average of 7 minutes to respond to a "naked intruder in my swimmin pool" call or these Ram fellers need to start sendin 8 recievers out to catch passes from a qb with a laser rocket arm and a scope.. sounds like you guys need help but i only help sick kids and cheerleader car washes ya know real charitys. Man I gotta go....
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| Dutchman
October 21, 2010
10:46:19 AM
Entry #: 3597751
| Donnie Baker-
Man, I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be some of Orange County's finest. You make no sense at all, As far as smarter, I don't claim to be the smartest guy, but I do know that I can read Sagarin Ratings and I can read and understand the schedules of our opponents. For Paoli to have a schedule strength ranking of 291 out of a little over 300 football teams in the state is pretty weak. In fact, it's real weak. It's like you being in the 8th grade spelling bee and competing against a second grader. "I swear to God."
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| gorams
October 21, 2010
12:54:04 PM
Entry #: 3597829
| Dutchman - Our schedule and relative strength of our opponents has been the same for the last few years. I looked back at the old posts. You weren't complaining about the strength of the schedule then. Why now?
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| Dutchman
October 21, 2010
4:15:23 PM
Entry #: 3597991
| I'll tell you why. No one ever comments on this and we all just pat ourselves on the back for having such a great record. I'm not trying to be negative, but people need to come to reality. We have a nice little team, but not one that's going to intimidate anyone. We might have respect from some teams like Crawford County and Mitchell, but who really fears playing the "mighty rams"? We need to beef it up to get real. You don't win many playoff championships with our schedule strength. Again, it's no reflection on the kids, we just need to keep aware of this and when we think we are really good, just look at the numbers.
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| RamsFootball001
October 21, 2010
8:10:56 PM
Entry #: 3598151
| I have followed this Forum for quite a while. And so far i have not seen anyone bragging about how good of a team Paoli has there dutchman. Im sure alot of the players get on here and see whats going on. They dont need someone bashing them for no reason. They do not chose who they play! Im tired of getting on here and seeing people crying about how the schedual sucks, get over it. Someday that might change, until then sit back and watch the games. Yeah, when they get a win they deserve to get a pat on the back, crappy team or not. I dont understand why all of you are hating on the kids. There are some people who dont and i enjoy seeing that. Seriously some of you have nothing but negative posts on here. They have played hard this year and they deserve to be given more credit than some of you give them. Keep it positive.
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| Dutchman
October 21, 2010
8:27:15 PM
Entry #: 3598164
| Looks like I touched a nerve. Please show me where I have said one thing negative about any players on our team. There is none. Period. This is no place for our players to get on here and read what people have to say. You're always going to have people who state their opinions. I guess we should all be happy and run around the public square in Paoli and celebrate. I'm just saying what I know and nothing else. I am fully aware that no player or fan has anything to do with our schedule. What can be controlled is the non conference schedule. That's up to our AD and Coach B. I can tell you they are not going to play anyone touch. Remember playing Southridge. I guess Coach B got tired of Paoli getting hammered. This is my last post about our team ranking and schedule strength. It is what it is. I fully support this team and will continue to do so.
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| small town boy
October 22, 2010
2:50:49 AM
Entry #: 3598354
| The team is 7-2 with a good chance at another sectional title. SUPPORT them.
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| Shizz
October 23, 2010
11:30:44 AM
Entry #: 3599116
| After watching the Mitchell game and seeing the different formations Mitchell used on different downs and throughout the game...left me wondering about our offense... not only that but as usual.... no passing game...was glad to see Mitchell bust out the ol' flea flicker a few times...
The Rams ae lucky that it wasn't Brownstown they were facing because they left alot of opporutnities out there for scoring chances...that might have cost them a sectional...
If it wasn't for Wilson's running The Rams might have had one of the biggest upsets in the tournament...
But The Rams win and move on just hope that this is their only bad game in the tournament...
Shiz
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| RealisticFan
October 28, 2010
11:10:13 AM
Entry #: 3603105
| I have been saying all year that our offense is to predictable. When the wing goes in motion 1/2 the field is eliminated because were either running up the middle or tossing to the motion guy. Any team with quality athletes and a coach with half a brain can figure this out in a hurry. This would explain the 3 points against Corydon and the 15 in regulation against Perry. I think we need to use multiple formations and do different things out of each of them. We have the athletes to do this. It's a shame that we handcuff our players like this.
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| OldLB
October 28, 2010
10:22:15 PM
Entry #: 3603580
| I see what your sayin, but Brownstowns been doing it for years.
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| RealisticFan
October 29, 2010
7:06:01 AM
Entry #: 3603688
| And i see what your saying. The huge differences that you neglected to notice is the fact that Brownstown can and does effectivly throw the ball when necessary. We have not proven that we can do that yet. Also, Brownstown uses a lot more misdirection with their backs than we do. Pulling guards and following them sometimes and others running opposite of the guard. Lots of misdirection.
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| 934
October 29, 2010
8:40:20 AM
Entry #: 3603723
| (Gorams) post from OCT. 18th was spot on. Others have made the very same observations and where attacked by a certain poster. I have looked at all the posts and don't find any that question or bash the boys talent. These boys all have it or they would not be on the team. I do see posters pontificating about the adults in the equation. That I see as perfectly fine. Anyone that says people are bashing the kids either are not understanding the posts or take it the wrong way. I do see alot of people asking "are we using our awesome talent pool to the max" Folks that is what is being asked.
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| Shizz
October 29, 2010
5:41:35 PM
Entry #: 3604167
| OLDLB the Brownstown Wing-T shouldn't even be brought up in the conversation with The Rams' Wing-T not bashing it or bashing you just it's two different offenses really...actually I would be embarrased to call The Rams' offense a Wing-T just because how good of a Wing-T Brownstown Runs...but things could change...
Shiz
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| OldLB
October 30, 2010
7:32:29 AM
Entry #: 3604401
| I was just speaking of the motion shizz. Dont be hatin on me now....haha. Guess we will see both offenses in action next friday night in Brownstown.
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