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TOPIC: playoff BS |
| curious bystander
August 15, 2006
7:24:01 AM
Entry #: 1620497
| Did anyone notice how the playoff format is STILL not established? Do you think by any chance the format will benefit the RED SOX, even if they finish 5th? Heres to having a plan before your team tanks and you have to make a change to accomodate your final ranking. Viva credibility!
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| newman
August 15, 2006
1:24:40 PM
Entry #: 1621272
| How can the playoff's not be set up yet? Is that true?
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| EZ on Arch
August 15, 2006
6:23:38 PM
Entry #: 1622048
| The playoffs have been set all year. 1 and 2 get a bye.
One game series
3 vs. 10
4 vs. 9
5 vs. 8
6 vs. 7
Three game series. If the favorites win???
3 vs. 6
4 vs. 5
Easy on Archie. If it wasn't for him would we have a league.
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| gator25
August 16, 2006
1:27:26 AM
Entry #: 1622711
| I dont know how the playoffs have been run in the past, but I thought we discussed that format at the meeting.
As far as calling out Archie like that, I have played in quite a few different leagues over the years, and while every league has its share of problems, this league is run better than most.
I have had a couple of issues with rescheduled games that I didnt really like, but having done the scheduling for a league myself, I understand that you gotta do what you gotta do, and you can't make everybody happy all the time. I seriously doubt that Archie would try to manipulate the schedule to benefit his team.
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August 17, 2006
6:13:06 PM
Entry #: 1626509
| what are the tie breakers in case teams have the same record?
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| newman
August 17, 2006
10:02:05 PM
Entry #: 1626938
| "I seriously doubt that Archie would try to manipulate the schedule to benefit his team."
That would never happen. Ha.
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| matt
August 18, 2006
7:21:24 AM
Entry #: 1627524
| tiebreakers have always come down to your head-to-head record against the team you tied with. and as far as the playoffs go archie has told me and my team for at least 2 months now that this is how the playoffs were gonna go. it seems to be a good plan and we have no problem with it. so just handle your own bussiness and everything will be allright.
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| gator25
August 24, 2006
2:45:20 PM
Entry #: 1639269
| Archie, how about a final word on the playoff format?? It's nice to hear from everyone else, but I can't put much stock in what they say. Would be nice to hear it from you.
Thanks
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| the commish
August 31, 2006
6:09:36 PM
Entry #: 1653074
| The format will be as described in EZ's entry. We will seed high-low all the way through the playoffs.This is the first time on my watch that we have had 10 teams. In the past the 3 and 4 seeds have gotten a first round bye. This year they will play an elimination game, thats the only change. As always, be assured, I will do everything possible to make sure the Red Sox continue to win the playoffs every year. That's how we roll.
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| gator25
September 1, 2006
8:32:23 PM
Entry #: 1655116
| You're like butta....cause youre on a roll.
So, we and the A's sit through an elimination game, and then a 3 game series between those winners?
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| newman
September 1, 2006
9:46:43 PM
Entry #: 1655192
| Welcome to the league. Is it beneficial to finish top 2? We will see.
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| DB's
September 6, 2006
5:29:08 PM
Entry #: 1662249
| Can't change now but playoff schedule should be:
1,2,3,4,5,6 bye in play in games
play in games:
7 vs. 10
8 vs. 9
with eight teams left start 3 game series
1 vs. lowest seed and so on.
To answer the question YES
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| gator25
September 7, 2006
1:19:10 AM
Entry #: 1662955
| I agree with 10 teams it could be different, but I think there are a couple of problems with what you said. Four 3 game series would probably take forever with rain and what-not and that could add up to 12 extra games.
Plus, no offense to Curley's, but I don't think a team that finishes 6th in a 10 team league should get a bye in the playoffs. Same with the team that finishes 5th.
But, I do think that a free pass into the semifinals for the top two is a bit much, Not that I am complaining (this year). Quite a reward, but I suppose it could be considered deserved.
If you want to reward the top two, have 3 thru 8 play an elimination game, and those winners play an elimination game. That will leave 4 teams, and then start the 3 game series.
OR, in the second round, have the 1 and 2 seeds play an elim game as well, and not give the free pass into the semi's. That would certainly increase the chances of one of the top two teams NOT making it to the finals.
Anyhow, like you said, too late to change, but since I am sitting here not playing baseball for the next week or two, it gives me something to talk about.
And I think the answer to your question is YES as well, but I guess that remains to be seen....
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| gator25
September 7, 2006
1:21:02 AM
Entry #: 1662957
| "If you want to reward the top two, have 3 thru 8 play an elimination game, and those winners play an elimination game."
sorry, I meant 3 thru 10
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| rainorshine
September 7, 2006
10:40:17 AM
Entry #: 1663451
| You're not giving anyone a bye, by having 7-10 play an elim game. You're eliminating the bottom teams in two days. Three game sets for the remaining 8 would extend the season. Is that terrible? More games played, umpires make more money, concessions make more money. Doesn't sound so bad.
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| gator25
September 7, 2006
2:52:23 PM
Entry #: 1664011
| By having teams 7-10 play an elimination game, you are giving 6 teams a bye.
I dont think it's terrible to extend the season by any means. I am all for playing more games, but having four 3 game series and adding up to 12 games is a bit much. Adding 12 games would be adding nearly half a season, and how long do you think that would take? We never even played more than 8 games in a month, much less a couple weeks.
It's not that I am against it, because I want to play as many games as possible and would love to play more than a 27 game schedule. I just dont think that half the games should necessarily be playoff games.
And yes, the umpires and concessions make more money. That's great, but don't forget we are the ones paying it, and that playoff format could add an extra 580 bucks to go all the way through, and that's just umpires fees, not baseballs.
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| rainorshine
September 7, 2006
3:09:17 PM
Entry #: 1664047
| In the NCAA basketball tournament, 63 teams do not get a bye, but the bottom two teams have a play in game. If you had three game series, the winner would have to play nine games max, unless one of the bottom seeds came through which would put it at 10. Right now, our team could have to play seven games max. If the max number of games are played this year, it would be 19 total. If we did it the other way, it would be 23 total. No teams would wait through two series and I don't think scheduling four extra games is that huge.
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| gator25
September 8, 2006
2:08:35 AM
Entry #: 1664977
| Actually, I see what you are saying and I agree. I got confused on an earlier post and thought you meant to have four 3 game series, but it was actually only three 3 game series. I was talking to one of my players a couple of days ago and that is exactly what I told him. That we and the A's should be in on this round against the low seed. A free pass through this round into the semi's, while appreciated, is a pretty big step. And believe me, I would love to play 3 extra games. We are already going nuts and still have a week + to wait. So, yeah, I misunderstood what you were saying at first, and I do agree that would be the best way. I was originally thinking that it would take a team 12 games minimum and maybe 13 to make it through.
That being said, the NCAA basketball tournament is just that, a tournament. It's not a playoff. Sure, I understand that there is a play in game and 63 teams dont get a bye. That first game isnt a "round", it's a play in game, which is a difference.
In our league, we don't have an end of season tournament, we have a playoff, and as stated in the rules and said at the meeting, all teams make the playoffs. Therefore, if all teams are "in" the playoffs, an elimination game between any teams while another team sits, would give that other team a bye.
And if that is the case, I don't think that any team who doesnt finish at least in the top half of the league deserves a bye. And that is not a shot at the Red Sox or Curley's. If we finished 5th or 6th, I wouldnt think we deserved a bye either.
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| REDSOX15
September 8, 2006
2:57:45 PM
Entry #: 1666052
| Gator25, it appears to me that you are just upset that you have to wait a bit before you can play again and that the most games you can play would be 6. I plan on only playing and winning 7 games. One down 6 to go. So using your logic, I'll be the big winner because 1) that would mean I win the championship and 2) the most important thing of all, I play more games in doing so. Just to tick you off, maybe we can lose a game in each series from here on out and that means more GAMES for me! But that is not a shot at the Cardinals or the A's. Gator25, I'm so sorry that you had to finish in the top two and get a bye. Maybe you should have thought about that before the season started. You see, Archie manipulated the seedings so we would play more games to make it easier for us win the championship. And yes, everyone, that is a shot at curious bystander, who got the ball rolling on this.
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| gator25
September 8, 2006
4:38:01 PM
Entry #: 1666271
| RedSox15, I'm not sure what I said to make you think I was upset about anything. I thought we were just discussing the playoff format here.
I dont care how long we have to wait, we knew about it, and so did everyone else, so there is nothing to be upset about. I'm not sorry that we finished 2nd one bit, and there was nothing to think about when the season started. We wanted to finish top two, and we did that, and you did nothing to keep us from that.
Not a shot at the Cards or A's, just a shot at us? DB's? Saying you are going undefeated through the playoffs sounds like a shot at everyone to me. 29-10, does that mean anything to you??
Funny thing is, I have played you 3 times now this season, and have seen your team play a number of times, and I just can't picture who #15 is.
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| curious bystander ( the ball-roller)
September 9, 2006
12:44:46 PM
Entry #: 1667372
| The RED SOX have a point. Playing more games is the point of being in an adult league.I have heard that the Gators got rained out of a game that would have helped keep some skills fresh.Then there was the one earlier in the year that only took about 35 minutes. (10-0). The league wide dislike for the RED SOX to me is unfounded. Perhaps it comes from the past when running out 1 good player was enough to win. All respect to Duck for being a good guy, and I know teams are sizing him up for jerseys.Better hope he shows up for all of your games or you will be reading about the eventual champs of this esteemed league.Also, I think Archie does a nice job.I am not sorry for starting the most lively debate this web site has seen. It is productive to get these things out in the open.
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| rainorshine
September 10, 2006
2:29:47 AM
Entry #: 1668162
| I'm not sure of the difference between a playoff or a tournament, but I think we're both on the same page. More games equall better play, and a better time for everyone involved. Those last two posts completely threw me for a loop, completely off topic.
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| rainorshine
September 10, 2006
2:30:11 AM
Entry #: 1668163
| I'm not sure of the difference between a playoff or a tournament, but I think we're both on the same page. More games equall better play, and a better time for everyone involved. Those last two posts completely threw me for a loop, completely off topic.
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| gator25
September 11, 2006
9:26:21 AM
Entry #: 1669955
| Yep...I just misunderstood what you were saying initially. I am most definitely all for more games, which is why we will probably be going back to our usual 2 league schedule next season, which is what we have done most seasons. If we were to have more games, which I don't see happening, I would be in favor of adding them to the regular season instead of the playoffs. Otherwise, you get a hockey thing, and all of a sudden, we are playing well into deer season...
As far as the whole tournament vs. playoff thing goes, I think the difference is that in the NCAA tourney, they don't just take the top 65 teams and run with that, whereas in the playoffs they do. Every other sports playoff runs that way, but in the NCAA they don't. I can't remember now if they call it the conference championship or tourney, but I would think that the conf. championship is more like a playoff, earning you the right to play in the tourney. However, I also can't remember if the top seeds get byes in the conf. championships.
And as far as the other couple out of nowhere posts...looks like just a couple kids out flexing their "cyber" muscles.
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| gator25
September 11, 2006
9:28:34 AM
Entry #: 1669960
| PS. Not only is Gurkin's swing slow, he is slow to update the results...what happened in the games Sunday.
Anybody??? Who won/lost?
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| outoftheplayoffs
September 11, 2006
1:29:33 PM
Entry #: 1670520
| My money is on the Gators
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| Chiefsbaseball44
September 11, 2006
8:19:25 PM
Entry #: 1671365
| Benny boy I waited to post the scores on purpose ,just trying to get you rattled.
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| Gator25
September 24, 2006
11:31:47 PM
Entry #: 1696402
| "Welcome to the league. Is it beneficial to finish top 2? We will see."
I guess the answer to that would be yes, considering it's 1 vs. 2 in the finals.
That being said, it was a looooong layoff, and my opinion is that teams 1 and 2 should have been in on the quarterfinals when there were 6 teams left, instead of waiting until there are 4.
Granted, I'll take it this year, but I think that is something we have to talk about for next season.
DBs...great series. You guys deserved to win every one of those games as much as we did, and it was a joy and a pleasure to play against such a classy team. We look forward to continuing the "friendly rivalry" that we started this year. 6 games and we each won 3.
See ya Tuesday A's....
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| chomp18
September 25, 2006
8:07:50 AM
Entry #: 1696630
| Agreed. Db's has a good crew and played a hell of a series. See you next year.
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| rainorshine
September 25, 2006
8:21:01 AM
Entry #: 1696654
| Maybe the series would have had a different outcome if it would have been played in Kuwait.
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| rainorshine
September 25, 2006
9:29:14 AM
Entry #: 1696778
| I re-read my last post, understand it was just a joke. It didn't read like I'd hoped. Good luck in the finals.
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| Gator25
September 25, 2006
9:37:50 AM
Entry #: 1696792
| I understood what you meant on the Kuwait comment, because we talked about it yesterday. And if it happens that way next year, what the hell, road trip...though it may be difficult to find umpires.
Thanks for the good luck wishes.
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| Kuwaiti Killer
September 27, 2006
12:04:54 PM
Entry #: 1701516
| I don't think anyone wants to come over here and play ball -- it's hard to find a grass infield...
Though this cricket game seems a little interesting. I just need to learn to throw a nasty breaking ball...
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| rainorshine
September 27, 2006
1:03:13 PM
Entry #: 1701629
| That's beautiful.
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| BigSugar
September 27, 2006
2:19:16 PM
Entry #: 1701858
| Just paint a green diamond on the desert. Then you can paint the outfield. Oh yeah, add some mole holes to make it feel like home.
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| Gator25
September 27, 2006
3:56:54 PM
Entry #: 1702085
| don't forget to dig the infield dirt out 4 inches lower than that grass infield
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| chomp18
September 28, 2006
9:35:07 PM
Entry #: 1704926
| To the man in Kuwait: Thank you for your service and feel free to dump some .50 cal into anyone that even looks suspicious.Get home safely so you can feel the chomp next year.
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| A"s
September 30, 2006
5:18:03 PM
Entry #: 1707576
| Dear outoftheplayoffs. I hope you didn 't lose too much money. love the A's.
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