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TOPIC: Playoff Picture |
| Uncle Mertog
August 23, 2006
12:31:43 AM
Entry #: 1635731
| Wow this has turned out to be extremely interesting with only one week left. Alot is on the line this week and here is the picture as I see it.
1. Baxters vs. Joques.....I'm liking Baxters to take both in this one, both teams have identical records, but Baxters is pretty scrappy. Elwins boys take two.
2. Stallions and Rosies...Stallions have 4 wins all by forfeit....I like Rosies to take two here.
3. Europa and PNA....The Naaaa keep rolling into the playoffs and possibly the championship. Big Red sweeps. Putting Europa at 18-10 and one of the teams in the log jam.
4. Cm and Mens Club...Cm sweeps and they are also 18-10 and are in the log jam.
5. VFW and Jr's.....I think I'll be watching this one closely, definately the game of the week as far as two beasts fighting to the death. Smart money says the VFW take two...but I like Jr's to take one here....Shout out to Mac, Lemme, Riley, and Big D....get errrr done. If the Vfw take two that Puts Jr's in the log Jam as well at 18-10 if Jr's takes two it puts the VFW at 18-10 and if they split the are both 19-9....very interesting.
6. Savario's and Crowe....if Crowe takes two they are also at 18-10 and once again are in the log jam. If they split that puts Crowe in the 7th position and await to see who comes in 8th.
7. TriState and DelPadre...Tristate has to win two to get in, Del Padre simply needs a split here. Looks like a split to me, but TriState has some good hitters too...almost too close to call, but I'll go with Tristate to take both and get in....just to get some controversy here.
Pub is idle and is in, but in my opinion we look like we might actually drop to the seven slot if Crowe takes two...if Crowe loses it looks like six.
As I see it it could wind up like this....
1. PNA (No Question)
2. CM (Beat both JR's and VFW) 18-10
3. VFW (If they Beat Jr's)18-10 Mind you if this is a split they both go 19-9 and take second and third slots from CM and CM goes to 4)
4. Europa (Beat Jr's both games)
5. Jr's (Split with Pub)
6. Crowe (If they win two otherwise fall to seven)
7. Pub (Possibly move up to six with a Crowe Bar Loss
8. Tristate or Delpadre
If that is the case then week one of the playoffs
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Pna vs Tristate or Delpadre
CM vs Pub
VFW and Crowe
Europa and Jrs
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| Jeffc15
August 23, 2006
6:03:04 AM
Entry #: 1636006
| Do you leave the computer at all?
Sorry, I think your predictions are right on, except tri-state (too little, too late)
Looks like a great play-off picture no matter what the outcome this weekend. All the temas that potentially could be 18-10 can all beat any team on any given day. Lets just skip this week and go at it.
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| mac
August 23, 2006
3:51:28 PM
Entry #: 1637245
| MERT thanks for the wishes but its not gonna be easy lem riley duce paulie are all headin to long island for the union electrician trip but i also know that artie needs to get some guys ato the feild this could shape up pretty nicely who knows thats why we play
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| Uncle Mertog
August 23, 2006
11:22:03 PM
Entry #: 1638107
| Jeff....I never leave this computer....I'm married, that would entail me spending more time with the wife...so I just tell her I'm doing important work here.
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| Uncle Mertog
August 23, 2006
11:23:59 PM
Entry #: 1638109
| Mac...Damn, those are some huge names to be absent for this game. Despite the fact, if you lose two, you're still in and very fucking dangerous in the playoffs.
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| mac
August 24, 2006
4:01:30 PM
Entry #: 1639297
| i dont know i hit with artie yesterday he said that jr said we might b forfeiting ??
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| Uncle Mertog
August 25, 2006
12:42:50 AM
Entry #: 1640227
| That sucks bro....I hate tournament play, it kills the league.
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| ARTIEKARATE
August 25, 2006
11:45:13 AM
Entry #: 1640801
| MERT TOURNEYS MAKE YOUR TEAM BETTER . YOU PLAY MORE YOU GET BETTER LOOK AT THE TOP 20 HITTERS 95 PERCENT OF THEM PLAY IN OTHER LEAGUES . DONT WANT TEAMS IN TOURNEYS PLAY IN A CHURCH LEAGUE. I LIKE YA MERT DONT BE A SUNDAY HERO!! YOU CANT STOP COVENTRY SOFTBALL FROM MOVING INTO THE 20TH CENTURY !!!!
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| mac
August 25, 2006
2:23:51 PM
Entry #: 1641158
| JR's will feild a team
artie hope your pitching hahahah
KITCHENS OPEN then the real kitchen will b open at the steak fry EVERYONE B THERE
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| STATE CHAMPS
August 25, 2006
3:35:18 PM
Entry #: 1641342
| Artie is right tourneys make you better and do mean more . guys who cant play in tourneys SUCK !!!
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| RyMan
August 25, 2006
7:51:35 PM
Entry #: 1641765
| I've always been interested in gettin into tournaments. It really seems like in softball the tourneys are where its at. I guess this question could be for Artie specifically cause you seem like you know your stuff, but anyone chime in. How do I get into tourney play. I don't play for any tourney teams, and the teams I do play for aren't interested. Also, what's up with the levels? What's the difference between them and how would I know where my abilities fall?
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| JR316
August 25, 2006
10:45:50 PM
Entry #: 1641926
| Guys who dont play in tournaments DONT SUCK.. Some of us just have different jobs...Just let me know when you want me to show up then you can tell me if think I suck.
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| Uncle Mertog
August 26, 2006
1:01:01 AM
Entry #: 1642094
| Artie, I got no problem with guys who want to play in tourneys, I'm just saying it sucks for the league because of forfeits.
1. It sucks for the guys on the team who are only playing here, and then they don't have enough guys to play.
2. It sucks for the opposing team because they don't get to play at all.
3. It sucks for teams who are neck and neck and one team gets two easy wins. For example...we played you guys in the beginning of the year and got our asses kicked and took two losses. Then DelPadre who we were neck and neck with get two wins against you, due to a forfeits....could have changed the entire playoff race.
I play here, like alot of other guys because It is the only day I can play. I work nights so other leagues are not available to me. I would love to play tournament ball again, but it's just not in the cards. I know I'm gonna catch shit for my opinion but I feel if a team makes a commitment to a league, that should be a priority and tournaments; although are more competitive, should be secondary. I just feel that I made a commitment to the league, and to my players and to the players on the other team that I will be there on Sunday to play. It sucks not being able to play.
Don't take it the wrong way, I'm not bitching, whining, or ragging on your team or anyone elses team in any shape or form, I'm just saying it is Sunday morning softball for better or worse.
I'm all for opening up the league, I'm all for making the league more competitive, and I'm of the opinion that the league should either make the necessary schedule adjustments to accomodate ASA State Tourney Play by either postponing play and instituing a break in regulation play for the tournament or institute rules regarding teams that can't make a commitment to the league. (I stated those ideas in another post)
I'm not saying you, but many people are of the opinion that Sunday Morning softball is a joke, so why do they play? I had guys on my team make this claim as well, and I asked them why they are playing it then. If tournaments are they way to go then why not just play tournament ball and play in night leagues if Sunday morning isn't up to their standards.
Once again, I'm not in charge of anything, this is all just my opinion, I'm probably alone on this one, and like I have said a billion times before, I'm just playing to have some fun.
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| Mertdog's momma
August 26, 2006
1:48:25 PM
Entry #: 1642509
| As a member of a team with several forfeits this year, I would like it to be know, I agree with Mertdogs' comments!
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| Uncle Mertog
August 27, 2006
1:03:02 AM
Entry #: 1643062
| Mom? Didn't I tell you to wait out in the car....can't take you anywhere. :)
Well at least we have one guy who agrees.
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| tommyc
August 28, 2006
12:12:02 AM
Entry #: 1644408
| I'm with you too, some guys have to work 40 hours overtime a week to make ends meet. Some have kids and a wife and need to play just a little ball to keep their sanity, sometimes I wish for a second I could be softball guy playing here and there taking days out of work buying bats online and all that shit but then i realize why bother put me down for the quad Lt.!!!
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| europa
August 28, 2006
11:44:38 AM
Entry #: 1645043
| mert the reason we are playing so well is because we have gotten into tourneys and played better teams , yes even better teams than pna , jrs , and vfw . we played buchanan electric who came in second to hellfire in the usssa states and we hung with them . playing in tourneys the game is faster and when we play the good teams now we know we can score runs and stick around , two years and we may be the next nana . it would never happen in coventry , well maybe not as fast .
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| Uncle Mertog
August 28, 2006
2:44:28 PM
Entry #: 1645528
| You're missing the point entirely on this one. I'm not questioning the quality of play in tournaments, I'm not saying that it doesn't improve teams, because there is no question that it does. Lots of teams improve because of tournament play and it improves the quality of play that we see here.
The question now becomes, as Ryno pointed out about the exemption rule, Does tournament play the way it stands as of now hurt the league due to forfeitures? The answer is a resounding yes.
As I stated in the previous post, showing up on Sunday morning and not having enough guys to play sucks for everyone involved. I don't think there is any question that the majority of teams are comprised of players who only play here and that forfeits aren't fair to them, they've paid their money like everyone else and deserve to play.
Some teams are using the league as nothing more than practice for their other leagues and that is fine so long as they are there to play, but the question comes down to one simple rudimentary argument. "Where do we want this league to go"?
As it stands right now, yes there are many vastly improved teams, and that is great...but the rules of this league as they are now work in direct contrast and are diametrically opposed to facilitating tournament play and allowing guys to play in other leagues, thus many players are not able to play here because they don't want to give up playing in other leagues or playing tournaments.
The exempt rules make it pretty damn near impossible to lure guys who play in several other leagues from playing here. Which is good for the guys who are only able to play here. As Tommy C pointed out, when guys like he and I who have family obligations, and have to work to make ends meet, it is just impossible for us to be Softball guy and play in 3 different leagues as well as shelling out the cash for tournaments. I know we aren't the only two, I'm sure there are many like us who only get the opportunity to play on sunday, and usually have to go to work immediately following the games.
So the question now becomes....who do we cater to, do we keep the league a Sunday morning league for guys who only get to play here, or do we make it a practice day for guys who already play in two or three leagues?
No question the league and all the teams in it will improve, but forfeits will go up through the roof and eventually the league will either have to go back to the way it was or simply decide that it doesn't care about itself and take a back seat to tournaments and other leagues.
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| pink taco
August 28, 2006
3:17:17 PM
Entry #: 1645630
| At least 5 teams that dont play in tournies and other leagues have forfieted this year .JRS and the VFW are the only teams to forfiet to date because of a tourney . I spoke with artie about the VFW and he plans to have more guys on his team that dont play with him in tournies .So i think people are hopping on the exempt player thing to try to hold back the better teams cause they dont have the resources themselves .Forfiets and exempt plkayers are not related at all . Take the mens club for example , forfieted to my team this week .So a bad team that didnt have enough guys one week gets punished because you are trying to restrict the good teams from playing in tournies and having exempt players . Rosies forfieted also so your saying they shouldnt have a chance to rebuild quickly with guys who play in other leagues . We make these absurd rules and we wonder why good teams and good people like Bothelo go to other leagues .
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| pink taco
August 28, 2006
3:17:30 PM
Entry #: 1645631
| At least 5 teams that dont play in tournies and other leagues have forfieted this year .JRS and the VFW are the only teams to forfiet to date because of a tourney . I spoke with artie about the VFW and he plans to have more guys on his team that dont play with him in tournies .So i think people are hopping on the exempt player thing to try to hold back the better teams cause they dont have the resources themselves .Forfiets and exempt plkayers are not related at all . Take the mens club for example , forfieted to my team this week .So a bad team that didnt have enough guys one week gets punished because you are trying to restrict the good teams from playing in tournies and having exempt players . Rosies forfieted also so your saying they shouldnt have a chance to rebuild quickly with guys who play in other leagues . We make these absurd rules and we wonder why good teams and good people like Bothelo go to other leagues .
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| Smitty
August 28, 2006
4:47:16 PM
Entry #: 1645906
| So, like I tried to do in the winter meetings was change the rule, not eliminate it. Instead of 1-4 gets 0, 5-8 gets 1, and the rest get 2, we just need to bump it up. 1-4 gets 1, 5-8 gets 2 and the rest get 3. If all exemptions are used, we could bring in 33 experienced players. I know you need to know experienced players in order to bring them in, but I can think of 10 teams that have at least one guy on other teams. If everyone gets exemptions then you won't have teams dumping games in order to fall in the standings. I'll be proposing this change again next year.
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| Uncle Mertog
August 28, 2006
5:06:46 PM
Entry #: 1645957
| Taco.....actually I think we are actually in agreeance here.
1)As I stated before, I'm all for opening up the league and allowing teams to participate in
tournaments, and making the league more competitive.
2. I agree that Bob was a great guy, and I hope he and his team come back to Coventry. He was a huge loss.
3. I disagree with you when you state that forfeits and tournaments are unrelated, because they definately are. I know you mentioned that Artie is going to put more guys on the roster to cover the tournaments when they come up...but the fact of the matter is he shouldn't have to. It's not a bad idea to do that, but it would be better to schedule the league around tournament play if they are in fact ASA sanctioned and we are an ASA league, it would make sense wouldn't it? You could make the season longer and go into October and simply skip fall ball? Have a break during tournament time.
4. My team played absolutely no tournaments except for a few players who went to a Police and Firemans tourney in Portland and a couple of players played in a Baseball Tourney. We stayed pretty competitive.....no where as good as VFW, PNA, Jr's or CM, but we hung in there. I found good players simply by asking guys that I work with to play, and I'm sure other guys can find players too. I think everyone has equal access to decent players and I don't think all the great players only want to play for PNA or VFW. It took Artie time to build his team and everyone else can do the same.
I think league improved this year a great deal, but I think it is a matter of everyone getting together to decide which direction they want the league to go in and how they see this league. Does everyone want the league to be one of the top places to play in the state or is it a sunday morning league for guys who only play here. As I said before, I'm playing either way to me it is for fun....count me in either way.
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| Ryno
August 29, 2006
8:34:41 AM
Entry #: 1647278
| Finally someone on board with my tournament idea. I have been whining about that since I joined this league. Use the ASA state tournament weekend as a bye week for all teams so everyone can get in if they wanted to. Other tournaments you will have to take your chances but since this is an ASA league it makes sense.
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| artiekarate
August 29, 2006
9:44:29 AM
Entry #: 1647385
| I spoke with bev wiley earlier in the year and coventry teams will be able to register, but teams like the vfw , jrs and pna will have players who will have to choose between there night league teams . you cant be on two asa rosters .
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| pissrockets
August 29, 2006
3:38:06 PM
Entry #: 1648287
| Mertdog if you are so against players playing in tournies quit calling my boy neil to play with you next year .He is a tourny player and wants to try to play every weekend next year . So i guess you dont want him . Calling once is one thing calling him ten times is border line stalking . That thread was a joke and it seems to have worked . You guys wont ever be the team to beat .
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