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TOPIC: umpire (vernon) |
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| henke
April 22, 2007
9:06:30 AM
Entry #: 2090184
| I sent this in the commishs e-mail and thought it might get overlooked, so I'm doing it again.
I'm going to be direct, the umpire (vernon) is really bad. What can we do about this.......?
I know he makes bad calls against all teams, but he doesn't hustle to get into position to make the call and then he just guesses. It would'nt be a problem if he would ask for help or at least let the other umpire give an opinion. This is very frustrating for all and leads to disrespect for the guys in blue.. Vernon is blantantly brutal. Is there a solution here?
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| Gator25
April 22, 2007
9:36:30 AM
Entry #: 2090225
| which one is vernon??
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| henke
April 22, 2007
9:47:15 AM
Entry #: 2090238
| the ump in the field sat morning ..
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| spectator
April 22, 2007
10:41:36 PM
Entry #: 2091443
| His calls were particularly bad yesterday going both ways. seemed to call the opposite of the obvious calls. like i said it went both ways but jeez
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| gator25
April 23, 2007
8:14:25 AM
Entry #: 2092039
| Of the two close calls we had at 2nd base that game, he missed them both. Called JD safe and he was out, called Morgan out and he was safe. So, I guess it was a push, but he did miss em both. I also thought he blew a couple calls at first. One in particular...I dont remember who hit it, but I thought sure he was out and was called safe. I asked Mr. Kraus (1st base coach) if he was really safe, and he said "it was close." Leads me to believe he was really out, but who knows.
Every umpire is going to miss calls, it's just a fact and something we need to live with. If it happens everytime then there is a problem. We can't bitch too much when we are missing ground balls or letting popups drop between us on the infield.
Here is what I do have a problem with though. Top of the 6th, Lange catches the final out in right field with a 1st baseman's mitt on. I waited until he made a play with it, just like you are supposed to do, went out and asked vernon about it. Here's the conversation.
Me: Hey, isnt it illegal to play outfield with a 1st baseman glove.
Vern: Yes
Me: Well, are you going to call anything?
Vern: I dont know what to call.
Me: Do you think maybe you should go ask your partner?
He goes over and talks to the home plate ump, comes back mumbles something at me, and the game goes on. Nothing was done about it.
Missed calls, fine, but blatant ignorance of and disregard for the rules is unacceptable in my opinion.
By the way, what is the penalty for playing OF with a 1B mitt???
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| The Captain 18
April 23, 2007
7:38:32 PM
Entry #: 2093881
| Must say that it is pretty lame to care if he uses a 1st base mitt. Who Cares?
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| Gator25
April 23, 2007
10:06:12 PM
Entry #: 2094221
| I dont really care what he uses, my point is that the umpire should at least KNOW the rules, even if he chooses not to enforce it for whatever reason.
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| Sarge27
April 23, 2007
10:19:16 PM
Entry #: 2094252
| Lets get back to Henke. I think a fine and maybe a suspension is in order after that comment. I'm thinking 3 games, probably May 12th, June 23rd, and July 25th.
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| the commish
April 25, 2007
7:01:45 PM
Entry #: 2099259
| The umpire in question is Vernell Jackson. I will try to explain my sentimental and convoluted reasoning for using him, but first some history. Vernell has a historical connection to baseball history. He played in the Negro Leagues in the 1950's . He played with Aaron, Mays, Paige, Doby, Howard and many more. He was a slender, speedy outfielder who hit about .285 with line-drive gap power. He never got a sniff at the show. The MLB was looking for impact players.
Vernell has spent his entire life involved in baseball in some form. Has he lost a little off his fastball? Yes! he has. I try to give him single games working with a more competant umpire. Every once in awhile he covers for someone and ends up with 2 games. On the single games I try to have the other umpire work the plate. I do this because he is my relief umpire. I know his phone is not ringing off the hook for games.He has answered the emergency bell without fail numerous times.
I guess what I'm saying is, he is valuable to me. I will continue to work him.
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| BigSug
April 25, 2007
9:59:01 PM
Entry #: 2099674
| I think that the only thing that we can conclude from this issue is that the A's and Gators are complaining about the umps. I think that both teams should be prohibited from participating in the play-offs.
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| Gator25
April 26, 2007
12:01:13 AM
Entry #: 2099863
| I didnt mean to make it sound like I was complaining. I'm ok with missing calls, happens to the best of em. Over the course of the season, I think it probably balances out. I just think that if you are going to umpire, you should know the rules. Whether they enforce them to a "T" or not, I dont really care and wouldnt expect or want them to enforce every rule like that anyway.
By the way, I dont think the other guy knew the rule either. So, I wasnt really complaining about the umps, but I am totally okay with keeping the A's out of the playoffs if you still want to do that.
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April 27, 2007
12:58:30 PM
Entry #: 2103853
| Just like anything in life, when we pay for a product or service, we should get what we pay for -- especially when we take a three hour (plus) break from our day-to-day lives.
Are we getting what we are paying for?
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| Lippy Von Holland
April 27, 2007
6:59:31 PM
Entry #: 2104789
| considering we are paying for an umpire to ump a baseball game, I would have to say yes.
Are some better than others? yes
Are any of them perfect? no
Do you want to pay 60 bucks for an ump? no
In this 3 hour break from our day to day lives when we go out and play a game, does it really matter? no
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| Spicy Salami
April 28, 2007
12:24:48 AM
Entry #: 2105208
| Playoffs? Don't talk about.. PPlayoffs? Are you kidding me? Playoffs?
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| the commish
April 28, 2007
1:22:11 PM
Entry #: 2105689
| Everyone wants the umpiring to be the best it can be, me included. Let us compare success rates. A home plate umpire in a typical 7 inning game may make almost 300 calls, when you consider balls, strikes, out, safe, fair or foul. If he misses a couple, what is his sucess rate? The base umpire has fewer chances but his enemy is positioning and anticipation of a play. Two man mechanics is difficult. The play at second base during the A's - Gators game was an example of that dynamic. The umpire was behind the play, therfore he did not get a good look.
Lets compare this to a players success rate. If a player has 3 chances and boots 2. What is his success rate? If he is at the plate and has a selfish AB and does make a productive out by moving a runner. Where is the success? Just a thought before you criticize.
Now, on the illegal glove used during said game, here is the rule. The offensive team can protest the glove and have a do-over or accept the out. Once the glove is protested it can not be used in the do-over. Different levels of baseball have waived the glove rule, but not the MLB rules we play by. You are probably correct that both umpires were unsure of the exact ruling.
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| Gator25
April 28, 2007
5:26:44 PM
Entry #: 2105909
| That comparison is like apples to oranges. You can't compare that success rate. I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but fielding a ground ball involves skill, taking into consideration many other factors, not judgement. Calling balls and strikes or out or safe involves what you BELIEVE to be correct the way you saw it. Much different than catching a ground ball.
Furthermore, we are paying for that umpire to ump our games as correctly as possible. The umpires are not paying us to field our positions well.
And, for the record, I have no problems with these umps and have stated that on more than one occasion.
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| shut up
April 28, 2007
10:35:17 PM
Entry #: 2106215
| if you think you have a solution then step up, the commish has told everyone that ump was his last option available, which is better than one ump(trust me), no one likes you so stay on your gay ass website not this one, because your post are ridiculous.
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| Gator25
April 29, 2007
4:12:51 PM
Entry #: 2106930
| Lose the hard-on for me, it's getting old. I wasnt bitching about the umps, so why do I need to provide the solution when I dont think one is needed? Get over it and try not to let it affect your day so much. And, sorry if you dont like me, I will go back to rainbow land. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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| crazy coxy sorelip
April 29, 2007
9:09:52 PM
Entry #: 2107426
| pretty bad call on the bases at third again. Overall, glad to have the umps out there. Anybody excited to play the Gators?
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| the commish
May 2, 2007
7:24:36 PM
Entry #: 2114842
| This umpire situation hits a nerve with me. I get very tired of people talking about how much the umpiring costs them. They imply they are bearing the entire cost out of their pocket, when they only contribute a meager portion. The umpires getting paid and players paying is a dynamic that will always exist. If you can't afford five dollars, then stay home. The umpires umpire as well as most of you play, if not better. If you are concerned you are not getting proper rule calls, then carry a rule book. Maybe you could invest a little time in reading it. Over the years I've heard players utter the most stupid comments about rules of the game. Have you ever heard " ties goes to the runner". This phrase is no where in the rule book. This statement and a myriad of others only reinforces the fact, just like cops don't know the law, players dont know the rules of the game. If you think there is no skill in umpiring, then give it a try.
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| Gator25
May 2, 2007
11:41:35 PM
Entry #: 2115334
| Archie, did the umps show for that game Tuesday?
I guess your rules comment was a shot at me. No, I dont know EVERY SINGLE rule in the rulebook, but as a player, I dont need to and the 1st base glove was a rule that I knew, but didnt know the consequence of.
As far as spending some time reading it, I actually have. And while the rulebook does not say tie goes to the runner, it does say:
"A runner acquires the right to an unoccupied base when he touches it before he is out."
In a tie, the ball doesnt beat him there, so in simplified terms tie DOES go to the runner. No, the phrase isnt there but the meaning is.
Cops dont know the law?
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| Johnny Law
May 3, 2007
11:50:01 AM
Entry #: 2116235
| Johnny Law knows the law!
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