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| Lynx
June 7, 2007
8:02:12 AM
Entry #: 2189248
| Can anyone please tell me why Third Baptist forefit both their games vs the Knights of Columbus on Tuesday night this week? Not a single player showed up for the games. Hopefully it was just a scheduling mix up.
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| Pitcher22
June 7, 2007
6:15:00 PM
Entry #: 2190921
| hate to bust your bubble Lynx but i bet it might have something to with a thumping they would get.....Just a thought
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| Holck
June 9, 2007
11:21:45 AM
Entry #: 2194076
| I ran into a member of the Third Baptist team, and asked where they were on Tuesday. According to him, they took a team vote and decided they were tired of getting beat on by the KC's and Aldersgate (just the two teams he mentioned). I would just like to suggest that as common courtesy to the umps, score keepers, and the opposing team, a phone call or a post on this site would be very helpful!
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| Exactly
June 9, 2007
3:13:40 PM
Entry #: 2194263
| If that's too much, you could have your wives put a post up for you saying they won't let you play before they wipe your hiney and tuck you in to bed.
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| fan
June 9, 2007
9:38:50 PM
Entry #: 2194562
| Maybe Church League should have an A, B, and C too. Then everyone could play the same teams about 10 times each every season. Heck, maybe all leagues should have a draft league for summer too then teams would be even. Just kidding and full of BS with this post I know. It would have been nice for a no show team to tell somebody. Especially , a church team.
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| Ohney
June 10, 2007
10:38:08 AM
Entry #: 2194975
| I think 3rd Baptist should have to forfeit their next doubleheader for not showing or telling anyone involved in the league that they didn't want to play.
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| Pitcher22
June 10, 2007
10:41:33 AM
Entry #: 2194984
| If they play All Nations it would be a good idea not to play
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| burd
June 10, 2007
12:50:01 PM
Entry #: 2195125
| if what has been said is true, tha third baptist just didnt want toplay or whatnot, it is bush league not to inform anyone. lester i just looked and they play us the last game of the year (june 19).
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| jeffro2
June 11, 2007
11:33:37 PM
Entry #: 2198769
| to 3rd Baptist : do any of you have children involved w/ any kind of sport or scholar competition??? What kind of atttitude or message do you think YOU are setting for them?? As for as whippins go : WE have had our share of them as well on this team & as individuals playin on seperate teams!! It's CHURCH ball !! PISS POOR ATTITUDES....shame on you....
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| rockchalk
June 12, 2007
8:28:57 AM
Entry #: 2199181
| I talked to a good friend of mine on thirds team he sais it was a little different than what it is being portayed on here, evidently they were not going to have near enough there to play so instead of showing up with half a team they decided not to come. i agree a call would have been nice for the umpires and score keepers.
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| DReid
June 12, 2007
11:46:18 AM
Entry #: 2199674
| The thing is, the scorekeepers and umpires like it because they still get paid. They get an early night off. But, that comes to $78 that the league could save or more. Then I could let the umps know that they're only doing 2 games. Just food for thought.
There's a lot of he said/she said stuff with this. One thing though, if what was said that a team was going to intentionally forfeit so as to not get beat and not call anyone, I would seriously consider making them forfeit their next double header.
As someone who has ran teams in the past/present, it's a lot of work sometimes to call and make sure that you have enough guys to play. Then not having the other team show up, is really frustrating. Guys have children and family that if they're not going to play, they can plan that time to spend with them. It's very inconsiderate to do that to others, especially in a church league.
As always, if what was said was true and they didn't want to play the Knights, just let me or whoever is running the league know ahead of time. If it's really that big of an issue, then those of us helping to run the league will do what we can to make people happy.
I play with the Knights and I wasn't gonna be there along with 5-6 of our other players and they were scrambling to find guys just like they have all year. All of the guys I play with are easy going and easy to get along with. If people want, we won't have certain guys show up to help make it more fair. Not against you Abney ;)
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| Observer
June 12, 2007
4:52:59 PM
Entry #: 2200599
| I think that 3rd was concerned with playing a team in the so called church league that is full of non-church members who play for other leagues and just want to use the church league games as practice. I can't speak for all of these players but most of the time these "ringers" brought in by some church teams do not share the same values as other real church league teams who want to have a good time of fellowship with other followers of christ. What affiliation does K of C have with a church anyhow? AS far as them not letting anyone know in advance, well sometimes it takes a big action to bring something to others attention, appenrently this did. I personally would like to see a "real church" league made up of only "real church" members. Apparently that is what they want as well.
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| DReid
June 12, 2007
5:33:01 PM
Entry #: 2200706
| OK, then this should really help clear up some confusion which if it were an issue, should have been brought up with the league. I am trying to stay as neutral as I can on this because of my position with the league and because I am a Knight of Columbus member.
Our shirts actually say "St. Joseph's Knights 6210". Not that it matters, but almost all members of the Knights of Columbus attend or are members of the St. Joseph's Catholic Church. A couple are members of the Knights but go to a different church because of where their children go to school, My Lady of Mt. Carmel in Herrin for example. But all players that play with us are Knights of Columbus which is actually a fraternal Catholic organization. Ours is just affiliated with St. Joseph's church and is actually all on the same property.
I have only been catholic for 6 years and a knight for 4 years, so maybe some of the other people with more knowledge can be more specific if needed.
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| burd
June 12, 2007
5:49:50 PM
Entry #: 2200741
| by the way...the knights of columbus have been beaten this year. we had to score 40 runs to do it, but bottom line we did it. who knows what could happen when you play anybody. but you never know unless you show up.
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| Observer
June 12, 2007
7:14:17 PM
Entry #: 2200924
| I appreciate your comments DReid and you seem to be very open minded, thank you for that. I know members of the 3rd team and i know that they did not intend to harm anyone by not playing against K of C. I do not know if they intentionally decided not to show or if they were short of players that night, anyway im sure they are not the first team to forfeit a game. I think too much has been made of this already. I do know that in the past there have been comments made about certain church league teams filling up with "ringers" for the church league. I dont care what the policy is for other churches but I know that 3rd does not let anyone play who does not attend church regularly and is an active member. They do not have great softball players come out of the woodwork when it is time to play softball so they can win every game. I am not saying that these other teams are doing that, perhaps they are just overly blessed with extremely talented players. I dont know. If these teams are playing with the spirit of GOD and their sole purpose is to glorify Jesus with their play then it does not matter if you win or lose by 40 points.Maybe there are just some overly lopsided teams are perhaps you may want to look at placing these teams who are capable of scoring 40 points in another league. Call it what you will, i dont belive that anyone is afraid to play another team but it is difficult to enjoy yourself when you are outscored by more than 20 points. I do hope that some of the comments posted earlier regarding 3rd are not taken too seriously and this issue can be killed. Thank you very much DReid for your excellent responses and perhaps this could have been dealt with differetly by 3rd.
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| TBowles
June 13, 2007
12:38:16 AM
Entry #: 2201487
| I would like to know what teams have gone out and staked up with players? the knights have been the team to beat since i have been around the game.. they have the areas best all around ball players and its been like that for years... We have had the same team year after year and havent loaded up with people we come out and practice when we have the free time by choice so we can come out and compete with them and still have fun because its all about haveing fun anyways isnt it... its not like they come out here and are all hard nose serious about it they are a bunch of guys who love the game and like to come out and have fun and i would rather play them every game of the season then anyone else because it is always a good time .. just my thinking on that not that it matters
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| Tyson
June 13, 2007
12:39:06 AM
Entry #: 2201488
| Even knowing that my team may get beat, i enjoy playing with better players, how can anyone get better if they only play against people at or below their level of skill, very immature for them not to show up for fear of being beat, just look at the Cardinals in the playoffs last year
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| deats 12
June 13, 2007
1:07:24 AM
Entry #: 2201515
| yeah loading up? seriosuly if you cant have fun while losing in slow pitch softball then there is something wrong with you...it is a game....yes anyone that knows me knows that i love to win and compete...but if i lose i dont talk bad about the other team or bash them because of being good and practicing to reach that level...kc is the team to beat everyone knows that...there def is no cheating going on with them...they love to play and have fun...they can be beat...and let me tell you the night they were beat this year they were great sportsman and everyone of them were glad to congradulate the other team on just a great game overall by both teams...so if you cant take losing then dont try to complain about one of the best teams in southern illinois being to good...why dont u go out and hit and try to get better?
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| JSmith
June 13, 2007
1:07:38 AM
Entry #: 2201516
| this whole debate seems a little strange, it appears that no one from third baptist has posted on here as to the reason they didnt show, I also assume that none of them have contacted Dan with reasoning because if they had I would hope he would inform us as to the reason directly from them. The other thing is it appears we have two people that have contacted them and the two stories they have seem a little different but most on here take the one about them not wanting to get beat by the knights and aldersgate as the gospel, after very easy research on this site I discovered that it appears that they did show up against aldersgate it looks like they were beaten but they showed. It just seems funny that you guys believe the worst maybe they really didnt have enough and made a mistake in not calling anyone, I have played against many of them for a long time and have even filled in with them on a couple of occasion(sp?) they all seem to be goog guys and easy to get along with, they very seldom complain or are poor sports whether they win or loose how many of you guys actually know any of them you are judging all of them because someone didnt do the correct thing and make a phone call, last time i checked judging people based on zero fact wasnt a good church type attitude to have either.
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| Lynx
June 13, 2007
8:13:19 AM
Entry #: 2201765
| I also agree it is time to give this topic a rest. I posted the original message just wanting to know what happened to the other team, not wanting to specualte. It would have been nice to get a reply from a member of the Third Baptist team as to what happened. As far as the comment that we bring in "ringers" that is WRONG and incorrect, Dan addressed that as well as I could have. The church league is about fellowship and fun but we are all still competitive men and bottom line we all like to win. Anyone that has seen us this year would tell you that we are always missing a few people and struggle to get 10 guys to come out at all on a regular basis. I want to say thank you to the teams and individuals that have posted in support of us. Hopefully this will put an end on this topic the St. Joseph Knights of Columbus hold no hard feelings about anyone on or associated with Third Baptist they are good Christian people, we/I was just wanting some clarity. Let's have fun the rest of the year and enjoy the opportunity to play the game.
Thank you,
Chris Lincoln #6 St. Joseph Knights of Cloumbus
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| DReid
June 13, 2007
11:58:20 AM
Entry #: 2202334
| One quick thing to answer/post in reference to JSmith's post.
Jason Kelton called me yesterday and we talked for a while. He called me about something else because he runs one of Third Baptists Co-Ed teams but is only a fill in on the Third Baptist Church team. Jason apologized for the church and how this was handled. He made it clear that he wasn't apologizing for the church TEAM, but the church and that things shouldn't have been handled the way they were.
Jason was under the impression and was told that they weren't going to have enough guys anyway and that they just had guys get together for a cookout. But that being said, that they still should have called and that is what he was apologizing for. He is the only person that I was ever contacted by.
All of that being said, I asked Holck (who initially posted on this thread about the rumors) who it was that said what he stated above to him. He said he wasn't sure what his name was, but he was the kinda tall and thin first baseman that plays with Third Baptist.
I am not trying to call anyone out, just trying to clear EVERYTHING up.
As Chris said, we (the Knights) are a group of guys who mostly like to play competitive ball also. It just happens to be like that. But there's not one person on our team who is a jerk or who isn't out there having fun. We've never tried to rub anything in or act in an unchristianlike (is that a word? Hyphen needed, maybe??? Help?) manner.
As I ALWAYS have, I encourage EVERYONE to bring their issues to the league meetings next year. I talked with John today and I'll suggest that the Church league definately meet by itself to try and get any issues resolved. I will only be there in a financial support status :D
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| JAKE
June 13, 2007
6:25:41 PM
Entry #: 2203363
| The posting by the OBSERVER is troubling to me for a couple of reasons. His level of ignorance about the Knights of Columbus in Marion and the catholic community in this area is a major concern. The 4th of July fireworks and events that surround it are for him and every other member of the community. There is also a wide variety of charitable acts for the mentally handicapped being done in the region. We don't do this for the publicity or profit, believe me fireworks of that size and magnitude aren't cheap or free. Also like any other team we pick up or lose members for a variety of reasons (old age,work,or just personal reasons). New players come to us thru moving to the area, new members, etc. Like Dan said you have to be catholic and a member of the KCs, so we are asking our players to go to church and belong to a charitable organization that works with our church and the community as a whole. I count my teammates as some of my closest friends in my life. I've played with the fathers of teammates as have many others on the team. We play together as best friends and even godfathers to each others children. We take pride in the caliber of our play and sportsmanship in which we compete. I hope I have written this without any malice their is none intended, just a little disappointment in some of my fellow competitors and their opinions of us. I also appreciate the comments supporting us. John Hines #8 Marion Knights of Columbus
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| JSmith
June 13, 2007
11:24:59 PM
Entry #: 2203950
| Dan, Thanks for the update it sounds like both stories have credible sources.
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| Bill Stephenson
June 14, 2007
2:38:48 PM
Entry #: 2205471
| Mr Reid, I am the "coach" of this years 3rd Baptist team. I do not make it to most games but I am the "coach" at least in title. I was recently informed about the message board and I can't belive what I am reading, WOW! This is only my 2nd year in the league and had quite a good time last year. The failure of 3rd Baptist not calling anyone about missing the game would be entirely my fault. Bret usually would handle things like that but he was celebrating his daughter's birthday. We expected not to have enough players but were not sure until a couple days before. I did tell the guys that I would have a cook out at my house instead, only 2 guys and their families showed up so everyone else must have been busy. I did not know whom to call, and I really did not think about it. I apologize once again for not taking care of that in advance. As far as the remarks about the Knights using "ringers" for this league, I have heard some comments from my team and other teams that it "seems" like so teams are stacking up on outstanding players to beat other teams. This must be an issue with a few people because I have read other messages about it. I do not know if there is a remedy for that situation or not, but I would like to see an evenly matched church league, however that may not be possible. I thank you Mr Reid for maintaing an adult attitude about some of the comments posted and again I want to apologize for my not contacting you in advance. Please know that this situation has definately been blown way out of porportion and was really a simple mistake. I still can't belive some of the comments posted, I hope you don't have to monitor all of them. Oh, and I am the first baseman, when I am there, and I am definately not thin, but thanks anyway.
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