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TOPIC: Skyline Playoff format??? |
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| STAHOGS
July 9, 2007
11:29:47 AM
Entry #: 2251518
| Does any one know how the skyline league playoffs will be run this season? I would presume that the top seed goes to state, which leaves 8 teams remaining in playoffs so I would guess there will not be a "play-in" game this season. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks!
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| files
July 9, 2007
2:55:14 PM
Entry #: 2252053
| Why not ask your commish? Why in the world would you go here to get an answer when you have someone appointed with this information?
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| Shark Attack
July 9, 2007
5:37:10 PM
Entry #: 2252438
| The 1 seed does not get automatically get a spot in the state tourney. The top 3 seeds get a bye while the bottom 6 play a single elimination game. The 3 teams that win those games each get a best of 3 series with one of the top 3 teams.
So for example if the 9 seed beats the 4, the 9 seed would play a best of 3 with the 1 seed for a trip to state. But if the 4 seed beat the 9, they would play the 3.
I may have the seeding part of it wrong with who plays who, but that's about how it will work.
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| Tim
July 10, 2007
3:27:00 PM
Entry #: 2254386
| I see the Skyline adopted this unfair format like the MPLS teams. At least in my opinion, it does not give the lower teams a fair shot at making the stat tourney. The lower teams are really playing to get that 3rd or possibly 2nd seed, not the first. They are hoping to get hot and beat some of the 3rd-6th? seeded teams to get those spots. For instance a ninth place team having to beat the number one team twice to get the top seed is much tougher than having to go beat the lower teams (3rd-7th)in a battle for the 3rd or (4th) and last seed in a double elimination tourney. I think the best 2 out of 3 series really prohibits a second tier team from making a run for a lower seed that it might deserve by playing well later in the season. The old Plums teams and East Side Merchants are good examples of this. St. Paul League has got it right.
Tim from Saints
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| Shark Attack
July 10, 2007
9:00:15 PM
Entry #: 2255016
| Well apparently I have it wrong...or our commish does, we're supposedly just like St. Paul this year, no automatic bid, but all teams in 1 tournament.
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| rickybergman
July 11, 2007
6:03:17 AM
Entry #: 2255374
| Tim, here is an idea...then be the top seed. Stop sucking during the regular season. We only want the best teams in the state tournament and as you said, its hard for a best of 3 series upset. The best teams usually make it.
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| Stu99
July 11, 2007
9:45:46 AM
Entry #: 2255678
| The winner of the St. Paul League does get an automatic bid unless there is a tie for first.
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| orlandoorlando
July 11, 2007
2:22:50 PM
Entry #: 2256285
| Last time I checked, this was not slowpitch softball. We don't have home run limits, pitchers wearing masks and mouthguards, or four outfielders. The object is for the best teams to make the state tournament, not to give the lower teams a better chance. If you did try to make it more "fair," where is the reward for a good regular season. Why play the season at all? Why not just start in August with the playoffs?
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| rickybergman
July 11, 2007
4:37:55 PM
Entry #: 2256592
| Who are the good teams in the Skyline? Are there any?
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| Tim
July 11, 2007
5:22:21 PM
Entry #: 2256682
| Let me try again. my point is that a team with a "less than desired record" (win more games during the season, what a concept Rick) does not play the third or fourth place teams to get into the playoffs, they play the first place team,period. Or i guess in Mpls leagues don't get to play at all if you finish below 8th, which I don't necessarily disagree with. Make sense this time or are we just disagreeing here? The first place team is probably going to win no matter what format, but further down the standings I think it is less distinct who the better team is. BUT, maybe the MPLS teams have a great thing going, they can rest their best pitchers that way during league playoffs and that's why they have been winning state recently. Tim from Saints
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| Angel Fan
July 11, 2007
7:33:27 PM
Entry #: 2256886
| Tim......Im confused by your logic here? Are you saying that the league play-offs should be tailored with the lower seeded teams in mind? Everyone knows that a single elimination or one game knockout tournament favors an upstart or cinderella team especially if they have a one good pitcher. The higher seeded team with more pitching depth will almost always win these 2-3 series and that's the way it should be. The state tournament is a marathon especially when you get to the losers bracket. The team I want to see in the tournament is not a bunch a stiffs with one good pitcher. I want to see the team that has a chance to be competitive in every game. If a lower rung team is worthy of a state tournament appearence they should be able to win 2 games to prove just that! This isn't the NCAA Hoops tourney, this is baseball.
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| rickybergman
July 11, 2007
7:51:00 PM
Entry #: 2256912
| Tim, you can try and explain yourself a third time but I still don't think you'll make any sense to the baseball world.
I'm not sure why you're knocking the Park National. I believe they give the top 3 teams a bye, and the following 6 teams play a one game elimination to get into the best of 3. Even with your math thats the top 9 teams in the league with a shot at the state tourney. I do belive the P Nash went 3-0 to start of the state tourney...
but none of that matters cuz the Riverview is where the title belt remains around the waist--where it belongs.
Angel Fan-- you guys got a shot at making it back to state again this year? How does the P Nash look these days?
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| Tim
July 11, 2007
10:50:03 PM
Entry #: 2257245
| What the heck, I'll try a third time. The best of three series for the #1 seed proves they are better than the 6th seed.That's it. The 2nd seed better than the 5th and the 3rd better than the 4th. What would happen in a double-elim tourney where the sixth seed runs into the 3rd, 4th or 5th seed? Maybe they(6th) can beat those guys(3,4,5,) but you'll never know because they're getting pounded by the number one seed twice. Also maybe the number 2 seed is more deserving of the number one seed, but that can't happen either, with 3 game series. Don't get me wrong, I am all for the season games/standings meaning something for the top teams but they have playoffs for a reason. The St. Paul season champion gets in the state tourney, period. Seems pretty rewarding.
Also, 4 thru 9 places playing a one game elimination? That goes against that logic of trying to prevent that Cinderella team with one pitcher from getting too far. (The 4th place team getting beat & eliminated by the one stud pitcher on the 9th place team.)
Top season teams should and do have advantages come play-off time: they usually have byes, extra days between games, home field. Double elim, I think, places and seeds your teams #1 thru #3 or 4 more truely. It all comes down to giving the #6 team a shot at that last state tourney seed. And for the record, any perceived "rips" against any league/teams are light hearted. Hell, we're
1-who's counting anymore. Tim
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| team name
July 12, 2007
10:58:31 AM
Entry #: 2258028
| I guess what I am asking is the St. Paul Format just like last year? I think it should be some type of double elimination format.
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| orlandoorlando
July 12, 2007
11:54:34 AM
Entry #: 2258152
| Too many words! The flaw in Tim's argument is that you can't predict who comes out of the single elimination tourney. I remember when the Pub made it to state as an 8 seed from the P-National league. The Angels made it to state as a 7 seed. The Lakers made it to state as a lower seed once as well. Sometimes a pretty good team will have some bad luck and finish low. That's why we play the game. That's why you can wax philosophically about fairness and giving everyone a shot when it all comes down to who wants it more!
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| orlandoorlando
July 12, 2007
11:56:20 AM
Entry #: 2258156
| RickyBergman,
We played the Angels this year. We crushed them. I don't think they have a chance at making it back to state. I do think someone needs to dethrone the Riverview teams (St.L.P. and Tonka).
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| rickybergman
July 12, 2007
3:31:18 PM
Entry #: 2258624
| well said on the playoff format. I guess I'll never understand the "stud" pitcher on the #9 seed team beating a higher seed. If your a stud, why is your team #9...plus you have to pitch all 9 innings against what I would guess is a better hitting team than your own...I don't know, the westside leagues do it right.
I like the Tonka, The Park, and the Bulldog to repeat and make it to state.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see the same repeat in the Park Nat with the Homeys, Pub, and Angels. Orlando, what's going on with the Angels? Last year I thought they had a legit chance to be the first team other than the elite riverview to take the belt.
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| Tim
July 13, 2007
9:38:24 AM
Entry #: 2259791
| Ricky, It's not likely that any team plays so few games that they put their "stud" pitcher on the mound every game, but you're right if he is a true stud than his team should not finish ninth, maybe wherever .500 puts you.
When all is said and done, you have to beat the best to be the best. But I am old and have accepted the fact that playing well and enjoying the game/competition is sometimes your only victory.
Hope everyone plays their best, (except when they play us) and I encourage you all to attend some Class A state tourney games, wherever they might be. Tim
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| orlandoorlando
July 13, 2007
1:43:20 PM
Entry #: 2260272
| Orlando,
I'm not sure what is going on with the Angel. When we played we saw some guy they called Hondu or Honda. Their catcher, who is kind of a red neck prick, said he just had Tommy John but he used to be their ace. He might have hit 81 or 80 on the fast gun. We knocked him around and then saw a tall soft tossing lefty who nibbled on the plate a lot but tried to pick us off first a couple times with a runner on 2nd. He did get excited when he struck a guy out to end an inning and fist pumped into the air like a real jack ass.
I think that the teams to beat in that league are the West HOme and the Lyon Club. They both play mistake free ball and put the ball in play. Who knows? Maybe the Angel have something we didn't see.
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