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| filthyless
August 10, 2007
9:43:55 AM
Entry #: 2310590
| In response to the post I have read Wesley should have been mentioned by slidepieceeee. As far as the Park National being a better league then the Riverview I have to completely disagree. How can the league that has arguably two of the top 3-5 Class A teams from say the past 15 years not be the best league in the the state? Think of the clubs that loose to Tonka and Park basically every year in playoffs that don't even make it to state?
EP has one of the best pitchers in the state who throws LEGIT high 80's/90 and Hopkins beat them. Edina is a very good young team unfortunately they drew Tonka. The Bloomington Dogs #3/#4 pitcher throws LEGIT 90 and Park beat them 21-0 in two games.......
As far as comparing the two leagues PN is a very good league but in all honesty if an all star team from the Riverview was picked from all the pitchers and reserve players that team would no doubt finish easily in the top 3 in he Park National.
Respectfully,
filthyless
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| files
August 10, 2007
9:51:52 AM
Entry #: 2310602
| I would hope any all-star team would finish in the top 3 anywhere. DUH
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| filthyless
August 10, 2007
9:56:51 AM
Entry #: 2310614
| Files......did you state that I said an "allstar team comprised of only pitchers and reserve players from the Riverview.....?" Not an all star team.....an allstar team of guys who rarely, if ever play/only pitch in the riverview league....that team would finish top three and perhaps higher in the PN.
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| rickybergman
August 10, 2007
10:00:55 AM
Entry #: 2310629
| correct flies.
filth, first we must understand that the Riverview and Park National are in a class all their own. second, you're exactly right-- the Riverview is the best league by far.
Minnetonka is the best team. Period.
St Louis Park thinks they are the best team (joke), but are clearly the #2 team and I'm predicting these two make it to the finals.
Hopkins has a good mix of guys, and is well balanced with sticks and arms.
The other teams that didn't make it like EP, Bloomington and Edina would finish very high in the Park National.
Note: The Westside Bombers from the Riverview are equal to the Blue Sox from the Park National and each should be taken out of consideration when comparing league.
Final thought, Wesley Homes is very tough. After that, what do they have? If I saw correctly the #2 and #3 seeds didn't even win their playoff series. 2-6 are just average squads. The Angels were just lucky to make the tournament.
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| filthyless
August 10, 2007
10:50:06 AM
Entry #: 2310716
| ricky...I am sure Park does think they are the best and that is part of what makes them good but that feeling would not be a "joke."
I would bet money that there is only one team in the state that Tonka goes into a game against thinking they could loose and that would be against Park.....I would imagine everyone else they play they honestly beleive 100% they will beat them every single time.
Park is no "joke" whether ones looks at them as the #2 or or last team in the tourney.
We all know it is "baseball" so any thing could happen.....it will all be figured out on the field
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| orlandoorlando
August 10, 2007
10:50:12 AM
Entry #: 2310717
| Tonka
Westly Home
Park
Rosetown
Angel
Lion Club
These were the final six team playing class A baseball last year. I count 3 Park National team, 2 Riverview, and 1 St. Paul team. RickyBergman might be on to something. If the 2nd and 3rd place team can't even make it out of their own league, how can the Park National claim to be the best. Except for Westly Home, the next 5 team in the Park National probably would finish no higher than 4th place in the Riverview league. I mean, think about it, those other Riverview team with all those legit hard thrower must be really good to lose to the two best team over the last 15 year. I've talked to that Hopkin team, and you're right RickyBergman, they are a great group of guy. I mean, your team must have some good guy too.
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| Alfonso Allegre
August 10, 2007
10:53:24 AM
Entry #: 2310726
| I was impressed with EPs pitchers in the all-star game. Surprised they didn't advance farther than they did in playoffs.
I would put the Esox somewhere near the Lakers in terms of talent. The Lakers beat the Esox this year and were the #7 seed in the Park National league.
Bloomington Bulldogs would probably contend for a #4 seed in the Park National.
All in all, both leagues have good teams, average teams and shitty teams. You can debate all you want, but unless you combined both leagues the argument will go on forever.
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| orlandoorlando
August 10, 2007
10:56:56 AM
Entry #: 2310737
| Come on Double A, nothing last forever.
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| filthyless
August 10, 2007
11:03:14 AM
Entry #: 2310753
| valid points orlandoorlando....I did a little more research just fro craps and giggles.
1990-1996 The Angels won it three times, Highland Park won it twice, Red Rooster and Rosetown won it once each.
1990-1996 Runner Ups: Tonka (2), Park (1), Angles (1), Adrians (1), St. Paul Eastside (1) and Col. Hgts. (1).
1997-2006 Champions: Tonka (7), Park (1), Wesley (1) Glynn Building (1)
1997-2006 Runner Ups: Park (4) and Air Frieght, Cobras, Glynn, Stockmens, Rosetown and Wesley each (1).
What does all that mean or any thing else? Nada as we will all get to see how it pans out on the field. I am sure there would be no argument that one of three teams will win it (Tonka, Wesley or Park)....that much I beleive we can all be certain on.
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| orlandoorlando
August 10, 2007
1:26:51 PM
Entry #: 2311090
| Excellent research filthyless. I thought I heard that the Class A and Class B team were combined for one tournament years ago. Does anyone know if this is true and when that happened? When was the first class A tournament as we know it today?
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| Stu99
August 10, 2007
1:35:38 PM
Entry #: 2311115
| So you guys are saying because Tonka and Park finish 1 and 2 every year that they have the best league? Are you kidding? That just means there is not enough good teams to compete with Tonka or Park.
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| George
August 10, 2007
1:51:51 PM
Entry #: 2311150
| One tourney was held 1971-1976
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| Chris
August 10, 2007
2:28:19 PM
Entry #: 2311222
| I think Class A broke off in 1986 if the rule book is any indication of the Classes.
I'm not gonna get into the better league, I'm sure each of us feels we play in the best league and I don't believe non-league games are any indication of who is better you never know who is around or who just needs some work, etc.
As far as the final Friday, of course Tonka will be there they have essentially a bye to get there since they only have two games and enough pitching to keep any game close before getting to the other teams bullpen. I do expect Hopkins or the Cobras to put up a tough match-up however.
The other bracket isn't as easy to predict, everyone is saying Park or Wesley Homes, but Stillwater is very good and the Angels are playing good baseball. That is the premier bracket, in my opinion. I think any of the four can get out and it may come down to where balls are hit and where they aren't, each team swings it well enough to win. The margin of difference is very small.
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| hurto
August 10, 2007
5:59:46 PM
Entry #: 2311666
| It's funny park national teams aren't building up Sh**ty teams to justify our league. EP, Esox, you got to be kidding me. Oh yea no one in the park national can hit a 90mph fast ball!
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| McDonald11
August 10, 2007
6:04:36 PM
Entry #: 2311671
| Hurto! Do you have an email address that I can send something to?
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| hurto
August 10, 2007
6:33:14 PM
Entry #: 2311705
| jonmychalhurt@hotmail.com
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| filthyless
August 12, 2007
11:32:00 PM
Entry #: 2313873
| Hurto...there is no doubt that anyone who watches and knows the game would say that EP and perhaops the Dogs would finish top three in the Park National.
Hopkins has a young, very young squad and they beat the Cobras down 8-1.
Bottom line is both league are good but Riverview is by far the better league if for no other reason then pitching alone.
Take Tonka's, Parks, EP, Dgs, Hopkins or Edinas #4and they would be #2-#3 on any Park National team....for that matter take anyone one of Park,or Tonkas bull pen pitchers and they would be no less then #3 on every single Park National team....(Msaon/Tonka, Fuller, Eikum, Heaslip, Conley or Knez/Park, LarsonDogs.....ect.....ect....ect...
Lets just say the riverview and Park National are the same and then look at pitching alone.....there is no comparision between the two leagues.
How many teams in the PN actually have a closer (Bray/Tonka).....he would be no less then #2 on any PN team. How many PN teams can boast a lefty as their number 3 or 4 that throws legit mid 80's? Park and Tonka both can make that claim....
...I coiuld go on an on and on and on regarding this topic!
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| JonnyRaz
August 13, 2007
10:18:48 AM
Entry #: 2314311
| Were you at the game Friday night??? I wouldn't say that Hopkins "beat the Cobras down" - I would say the Cobras beat themselves. I don't mean to take anything away from Hopkins - they played very well and didn't beat themselves like we did. But I think 99% of the time that's going to be a very close game.
And enough with the "our league is better than your league" garbage. Bottom line is that most of the competitive teams in all three leagues could beat any of the other ones on any given day. There is a lot of talent in all three leagues and that is what makes the State Tourney so much fun EVERY YEAR.
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| George
August 13, 2007
10:30:21 AM
Entry #: 2314332
| JonnyRaz, FYI, there are 4 leagues
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| JonnyRaz
August 13, 2007
2:07:30 PM
Entry #: 2314844
| My bad. I still consider the St. Paul leagues to be one league. Didn't mean to offend anyone.
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| files
August 13, 2007
2:18:26 PM
Entry #: 2314861
| I've always considered the Minneapolis leagues one league.
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| Chris
August 13, 2007
3:00:30 PM
Entry #: 2314947
| There is only one Minneapolis League.
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| files
August 13, 2007
3:37:14 PM
Entry #: 2315027
| PN and RV being one...
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| ihaveaboner
August 13, 2007
3:54:14 PM
Entry #: 2315073
| You take that back!!!!! The riverview is very different from the park national because it is way better and here are 11 reasons why in alphabetical order..... oh wait, nobody cares.
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| Cobb
August 13, 2007
11:29:54 PM
Entry #: 2315887
| I agree with Filthy 100%
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