nothing against artie just a serious question. vfw has such a great team they are ass raping everyone so far, although delpadre did hang in there 1 game , they are 12 running everyone or 20 running them . ive heard quite a few times they are to good for this league. what do you guys think will a team that good hurt the league?
Riley99
May 21, 2008 4:55:27 PM
Entry #: 2760559
R u fucking kidding me? Hodde have you seen PNA, Moulton, Botelho, Crowe bars rosters? These teams are more than capable of putting a spanking on the VFW. Also you have to look and see who we played no offense to any of them but A-plus,Delpadre who hung in there and if they didnt hit so many solo shots would have had a better chance, Crowe Bar who just couldnt do anything right that mourning and we couldnt do anything wrong
Uncle Mertog
May 21, 2008 5:19:48 PM
Entry #: 2760571
I don't think having a few dominant teams like VFW, Moulton, Crowe, Bothelo etc. hurt the league at all. In fact, what we have ultimately been striving for is to make this league more competitive. I can't stress this enough...THE BEER LEAGUE DAYS ARE DEAD AND GONE!
This is no longer about a bunch of washed up drunks dragging their asses of barstools on Sunday for bragging rights against their neighboring watering hole, it is serious and competitive now. This isn't Cheers vs. Gary's Goodtime Saloon anymore.
I think if you took out the top teams, the level of competition would drop severely and lesser teams would have no reason to try to develop better teams and thus the entire league would go straight to shit and fast. What would be the incentive of teams who didn't have a team like VFW or Moulton to inspire them to try and get better?
We took an absolute ass raping this weekend from Moulton, I'm definately not going to sit here and cry that Moulton is too good for us...fuck that, I'm going to continue to build and hopefully next year we beat the dogshit out of them. You definately learn more from your losses than you do from your wins.
What it comes down to are teams like Stallyns, Firefighters, Eaton, Pub, and the like ready to work on being competitive or are they just having fun?
What direction does the majority of the league want to go in? A downward spiral until there are only 8 crappy teams playing each week for bragging rights...a place where this league has gone before, or become one of the premier leagues in the state for Sunday Morning? It has always been my opinion that the only way to go is up...once you start going down, bail the fuck out and do something else. If we went back to being just a stupid bar league...it would be time to put a bullet in the head of the league and let it die a more merciful death.
Mac
May 21, 2008 6:32:14 PM
Entry #: 2760645
this is a league that guys have been workin at getting better and more competitive guys and teams to join, VFW, MOULTON, PNA cream of the crop no doubt but thats not to say that patriot, harris, bothelo, crowe, rochs, del padre couldnt come out one morning and knock off one of those teams. take off your skirts get out there and play the game. you might b surprised at if u get a a few hits then hit a homer u will be in almost every game in this league. just have to have table setters for your home run hitters.
like riley said del padre had a chance in the first game but they couldnt link base hits to homeruns.
as much as everyone thinks VFW is the team to beat which they might be, i think your forgetting that moulton's team has been there, PNA has been there Bothelo has been there. this isnt a one pony league. granted the stallions pub eaton fire fighters might not come in and knock off these top tear teams but they are goin to see what the top teams look like and will learn that if u want to compete u need to add solid players.
like mert said, this isnt a jump off the bar stool and head to the game ( altho some teams can do it) it is not the best way to play if your goin against a VFW or a MOULTON
if you take out the top teams and just have the lower teams play you will have alot of drunk people and alot of unwatchable softball games.
ARTIEKARATE
May 21, 2008 7:00:31 PM
Entry #: 2760678
Mac and Mert thanks CR take a Valium and dont listen to this ass clown !! Now my friend Hodde one you talked shit since the first meeting about how you were sooooooo good and you were gonna beat us , you constantly break my balls so I will be honest here I wanted to throw you a beatin !! I think when you play the stallions you should be the game of the week !! So I can get a fog horn and cheer for them !! Now we know why you made a big deal about the ball up the middle !! CM , BOTELHO INSURANCE (the best sponsor ever) and PNA PLEASE THROW HODDE A BEATIN !! Lets face it he's saying you guys are second rate . Ant I told you you were a sleeper !! haha
a-hole
May 21, 2008 7:06:25 PM
Entry #: 2760684
The problem is: Some Coventry teams that are loaded with some of the best players from Clegg, the premier league in the state, are playing against guys that are expecting Rec league ball. Playing down a level, they call that sandbagging. Half of VFW plays for Prata up at Clegg! What sort of satisfaction do you get from beating the Firefighters?
I've played in that league and I'm not afraid of any player. I know I'm not getting hurt out there. But I also know that someday, someone down in Coventry will. I have no problems playing that level of competition, but if you want to turn Coventry Sunday mornings into Clegg South, just be upfront about it. VFW is no Rec league team.
a-hole
May 21, 2008 7:22:30 PM
Entry #: 2760705
I'm not trying to take anything away from teams like VFW, PNA or Botelho, but I guess my question is this: Is this a Rec league, or a D league?
If it's Rec, certain teams shouldn't be playing here. If it's going towards D, some teams shouldn't be playing here either.
Uncle Mertog
May 21, 2008 7:42:42 PM
Entry #: 2760721
A-hole...It is my humble opinion that it is moving away from a recreation league and moving more toward a D type league. Just about every team is loaded up with guys who play everywhere and you know as well as I it won't be long before more and more come over.
I don't think anyone gets any satisfaction from hammering the lesser teams...I know this for a fact, but I'll be honest with you...I like playing the toughest of the tough...it makes my team better and gives us a measuring stick as to how much further we have to go.
RyMan
May 21, 2008 7:47:48 PM
Entry #: 2760733
If VFW wants to play in this league, they should. Its not hurtin the league. If a team doesn't have a good season or doesn't win the championship its not like they'll lose money or anything. I hope everyone plays for the same reason I do, cause you like to. VFW hasn't played every team yet. I know they haven't played the undefeated Patriot Oil yet. When they do, I garauntee we'll win both, or they'll win both, or we'll split. The only thing I hope for in every series that every team plays is that no one gets hurt, everyone puts forth their best efforts, and everyone is there for the right reasons.
Every league is going to have their great teams and their bad teams. How are VFW hurting the league? I don't care if they've treated every game so far like batting practice. Good for them. The other teams should make a better showing. And don't say "oh you can't, VFW, PNA, CM are just all too good". Go play ragball. Im gonna speak for Patriot Oil really quick and say we're not jealous of those teams. We want to play them and we want them to give us their best because we want to be the team that hands them some L's for their record. If you think you can't hang with the top tier teams, that's on you. Its not their fault for gettin the best players they could. Artie, bring it buddy. I hope you're still undefeated when you play us.
ARTIEKARATE
May 21, 2008 7:52:03 PM
Entry #: 2760738
Ahole first I love your name !! Look into the rosters a little better at Lear 10 teams have guys that play in night leagues . Trust construction which plays at clegg is made up of all guys who play in Coventry . We have 4 guys who play in Coventry on a regular basis . VFW came before Prata not the other way around . Just shows that the OAWMF's are playing a little more than once a week . What team do you play for because chances are you got a teamate that plays at night . The stallions would have had a night league player but that weasel smitty stole him !! Just kidding !! Look at the rosters . Smitty likes stars post the teams and how many night league/ tournament guys teams have. Smitty just for you this is not a rec league anymore !!!
a-hole
May 21, 2008 7:57:42 PM
Entry #: 2760745
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.
Either level, I'm down for it. But I humbly would suggest being more upfront with teams like the Stallions and the Firefighters, that this is the direction the league's heading.
ant77
May 21, 2008 8:07:06 PM
Entry #: 2760751
I play for the firefighters and i believe that no matter how good or bad a team is if they want to play in the league why stop them. Any team in this league has the ability to go out and find great players and put them on the roster. Don't fault the managers who went out and built great teams. The team i play for one only 1 game last year and got beat up by all the other teams they didn't pack up and quit. They are back and ready to try and suprise a few teams and win more games that last year.
ARTIEKARATE
May 21, 2008 8:12:14 PM
Entry #: 2760759
Ahole believe it or not I care what happens in Coventry !! Its the only league I play in . Play being the key word !! We have discussed two divisions or a unbalanced schedule but people think we should stay true to what we do now .
Ryman dont think either one of us are gonna be undefeated at that point its the last week of the year. It hasn't been done in almost ten years . I think its great you guys have picked guys up to get better . I would rather play all good teams and lose more games than have a cake walk into the playoffs .
ARTIEKARATE
May 21, 2008 8:21:15 PM
Entry #: 2760766
Hodde the people and the firefighters have spoken candy ass !!
Ant77 thanks for the backup I thought I was gonna have to take my torch and leave the island !! I won't shoot box on you guys !!
hodde
May 21, 2008 8:49:32 PM
Entry #: 2760795
artie i said nothing against you, but all youve done is bash me for 1 simple question i wasnt looking for a fight just feed back cause ive heard it from so many people since the start of the season ive heard cm is the team but havent heard how dominating they are which im sure they are. all ive heard is how vfw shouldnt be in our league because you guys are awesome and i agree you guys rock thats a compliment by the way . this is smack so i asked the question and got lots of responses and it is all good. artie i dont wanna fight with you cause we agree to disagree ok candy ass. another thing ive heard is going 2 division with top 8 teams in one division and the bottom 8 in another division and the loser of the top division after the season moves down to the bottom division and the winner of the bottom division moves up to the top division
ARTIEKARATE
May 21, 2008 9:07:25 PM
Entry #: 2760814
Penalty on the play , 15 yards , bullshit , first down !! Both post were meant to make myself and the DUB look bad. With people backing us up your trying to weasel out plain and simple . The fact is I dont listen to you or care what you say anyway but at least I can make fun of you when you try to bust balls .I think the lower division should wear jean shorts instead of baseball pants!!! Your gonna wanna play in the lower division right , because we are too good (your words). Way to have confidence in your team !!!
lawnman
May 21, 2008 9:08:32 PM
Entry #: 2760816
ive been in this league 30 yrs when we starting i played on a team that lost 38 straight but we had fun ,yeah mert we went to the bar after that was fun too but aso was the playing and friendships we made the veteran team s help us by telling us what we did wrong and we got better .this a great league we a great bunch of guys if u want to get better u recruit plain and simple if u want to just have fun u keep guys who want to have fun .i give credit to teams who show up every week just to play and have fun the better teams want to win so they recruit gl all
Artie, I didn't know when we play you guys, I was just making the point that we want to play you at your highest level. I think our team this season is going to be the shining example of the point that teams can get better. We have a stellar group of veterans that are playing the best I've seen them play. We also made some moster pick ups in the form of John "Tiger" Fuentes, William "Kirby" Murphy, and Ryan "Little Kirby" Hodge. We're also built for the future with young talent like DJ "No Nickname" Watson and George "Not sure if im spelling his last name right" Cifuentes. Our biggest strength however is our ability to come up with nicknames in a short period of time.
We don't need divisions, play the good teams and play em hard. Who was it that knocked PNA out of the playoffs a few years back? I remember it was a huge upset. They happen. Saying any team is too good for this league is dumb. Just sounds like jealousy to me. That's my last words on it.
Hinske
May 22, 2008 12:08:36 AM
Entry #: 2761034
i dont know about you guys but what the fuck. really . are you kidding me lets just have a league full of guys who fall down when they tie their shoes. Like i said before i play in a lot of diff leagues and this is a great one. one ball up the middle and someone has an issue. Rec, competitive, or whatever noone likes to lose. we took a beating from artie and yes he ooooohhhhhedd his way to a few home runs but that doesnt make me think we should penalize em. Play the fuckin game if you dont like it get out. if not you can have your little wood bat league on thrusday night go home to your wife and hope to god you dont trip over the front porch because its a little un even. either take pride in yourself or shut up. spend a few less hours at the bar on sat and show up ready to play. hey while your bitching why dont you just club a baby seal on your way to the park after you run over the ump because lord knows you lost because of him.
Smitty
May 22, 2008 1:07:29 AM
Entry #: 2761094
a little history.
in 2003 we had 14 teams and lost two the following year with no replacements
in 2004 we only had 12 teams. that was 11 weeks of softball. pna was 20-2 and 3 teams tied for second at 14-8, one team was 13-9, and 3 teams were 11-11. vfw was 7-15 that year.
the exemption rule was put in so the pna and the hustlers who were virtually impossible to beat for a few years would not continue to reload with the experienced players they knew. that helped out for a while. and then we had a few years of teams "tanking" games to get more exemptions.
we bumped the exemptions last year and that has been the biggest change in terms of the league becoming more competitive. and eliminated the "tanking" of games. also, the website started in 2006 and that has drawn exempt players into the league and generated more interest amongst the players already in the league.
i think the league is built like the nfl. the standings should rotate every few years IF THE EXEMPTIONS ARE USED.
for example, if a team finishes out of the playoffs 3 years in a row and uses its exemptions, in the fourth year they have 9 experienced players added to the roster and a team in the top 4 those three years only added 3.
let's not forget, in 2005 we added 4 new teams. europa, now harris, finished 11th; del padre finished 12th, dionne, now crowe finished 14th and the stallyns finished 16th.
in 2007 harris and crowe made the playoffs, and del padre missed by a game or two so it has and CAN be done.
this year all 16 teams returned from 2007 (we had to turn at least one team away), guys call each other at 1230 sunday afternoon to get results of other games, exemptions are up, competition is up, and at tournaments and night leagues people are talking coventry softball (i remember when tristate entered the turkey trot years ago and people were saying "oh thats just a coventry team")
so i think we have reached a perfect balance. we have great competition this year where i think 12 teams have a shot at playoffs. also, on all of these teams are guys playing ball for the first time or the first time in years and loving it. they will move on to play in more leagues and improve. "bad teams" have the opportunity to improve more than the "good teams" with the exemption rules.
Hinske
May 22, 2008 8:31:29 AM
Entry #: 2761241
Very well Said.
BigCountry
May 22, 2008 10:54:39 AM
Entry #: 2761434
And can Botelho's get a little respect? We haven't lost at all this year, and won the whole thing last year...WTF!!!
slezak3
May 22, 2008 1:28:27 PM
Entry #: 2761586
While I agree that the VDUB is a awesome team, they are NOT to good for this league. Granted most of them play in other leagues, but big fucking deal, most of us that don't have prior commitments would do the same. Face it these teams can be beaten, don't piss and moan and cry about it, get angry bring your A game and take it to these guys. 3 years ago my Savarios (CROWEBAR now)took it to a very good JR's team in fall ball and beat them (which nobody gave us a chance) and just barely lost to the VDUB, my point is get your squad in the right mind set and take it to these guys and you just might surprise yourself.
Ryno
May 22, 2008 3:00:22 PM
Entry #: 2761732
I was reading through all this stupidity and then when I got to Smitty's post I was angered as he stole most of the tirade I was preparing to launch. Other than expanding the exemptions, which I very much disagreed with, the rules for acquiring players have changed very little over the years. And they are the same for everyone! As much as I really want to stick it to Artie (for fun, not personal dislike) I have to credit him. When vhe took over that team from Jenks they were pretty bad and Artie used his exemptions and picked up quality players. And every other team had the same chance. Now VFW is a top notch team. He also expanded that team into other leagues. Who really though anything of Artie about 4 years ago? I underestimated him. I didn't think he knew a softball from a vagina. I still wonder if he does. But he learned what he needed to do to build a good team and he did. God speed ya little fire hydrant.
hodde
May 22, 2008 3:43:39 PM
Entry #: 2761805
seriously artie i was not knocking your team or you. i was just asking a question cause i heard it at least 12 times sunday by my team players and other teams also they felt you guys were a d team and i also think you have done a great job recruiting i wish i could recruit like you have. i heard people say you guys were outer our league i didnt say, it other people did. i also think youve done a great job with getting ussa and umpires in our league. my question was answered. unfortunatly i feel like i got gang raped by this question. i will think twice before next question. if i offended you artie my friend i apoligize lmao see how easy that is.
Dutilly
May 22, 2008 4:07:42 PM
Entry #: 2761849
Is this all because im on the VFW?
lb4lb
May 22, 2008 4:24:05 PM
Entry #: 2761876
VFW is very good, but, they finished 2nd last year with a better team( no Lessard this year) fast fact: In 2001-2002 The Hustlers dominated a very strong league. They won 49 games in a row. FORTYFUCKINGNINE in a row. The team that ended the streak? The lowly Rekos II..the original incarnation of Botelho Insurance. We didnt make the playoffs..in fact we didnt even have uniforms. But we beat The Hustlers Game 1 at Foster 13-12. There are several teams that could sweep VFW let alone take one game from them. To me, that is fairly obvious. I still say, any team can take any other team on any given Sunday. Just ask the Hustlers. And the teams not quite making the playoffs this year will be the ones winning the championship faster than Artie can say decadurobolin.
yup
May 22, 2008 5:02:17 PM
Entry #: 2761929
your all gay! FAGS
RyMan
May 22, 2008 7:29:21 PM
Entry #: 2762130
Dutilly's on VFW?!? Yeah they're too good. Kick em out.
RyMan
May 22, 2008 7:29:40 PM
Entry #: 2762132
Dutilly's on VFW?!? Yeah they're too good. Kick em out.
Ry
May 22, 2008 8:57:33 PM
Entry #: 2762233
Just play softball for fun, for getting out of sunday morning honey do list and all the reasons you play!Let better teams humble you and prepare you for the next time! As for Ryman-- Little Kirby !! Whats that all about?
CA
May 22, 2008 9:03:04 PM
Entry #: 2762237
I've played in this league for couple years now, I'm not a great softball player that everyone calls and tries to get on their team, heck you guys propably don't know who I am. But I was on Crowbar before it became Crowbar, back in the day when It was Dionne & Sons, we used to get our butts kicked every week, I didn't bitch I just showed and played. And now we're kicking butt, most of the time, Josh has gone out with Ricky's help and have gotten better players and thats what teams need to do if they want to be on par with VFW, Crowbar, etc. Now this might come back and bite me in the ass, cause I propably won't have a spot on Crowbar next year because of that, but so be it, if this league is going the way of a D type league I might be goog enough to play in this league but I'm man enough to admit it. I don't think its bad for the league, I think its great, it makes for a better league, I mean VFW went 7-15 back in the day. Bring your A game every week and hope for the best.
Uncle Mertog
May 22, 2008 10:39:59 PM
Entry #: 2762351
There is always room for solid players anywhere and if you are playing for Crowe right now...that pretty much means you are solid. No one has to be an allstar...you just need to have the basics covered.
I hardly play anymore, I actually put myself out of a playing spot...but I'm cool with that...I know my station in life.
Ian's Bitch!
RyMan
May 22, 2008 11:16:11 PM
Entry #: 2762399
Hodge, everyone at practice has beein callin you "Kirby Jr.". I find "Little Kirby" to have a much better ring to it. Its not an insult by any means. Look at it this way; a little version of Kirby, is still a pretty big Kirby. Ooooooooooooooh (only Patriot Oil should get that joke)
Smitty
May 22, 2008 11:50:50 PM
Entry #: 2762436
a-hole, ant77, and ca: keep posting. the website and message board are for everyone. its always the same 15-20 people posting and its great to hear some new/different perspectives. that goes for all of you that have never posted or thought about posting but didn't.
you might even turn into a celebrity like uncle mertog.
EW33
May 23, 2008 12:36:00 AM
Entry #: 2762476
I have to disagree lb4lb. You are one clueless mutha if you think that last years VFW squad was better than this year. We lost Lessard. That was a big loss (in weight and baseball stats), but we added Riley, Dutilly (while everyone likes to say how much he sux, the asshole can hit), Joe Delbonis, Tony Duffy (a legit .800 hitter at Atwood with an official scorekeeper when Atwood was a good league), Tommy Johnson (an older version of GT minus the obsession with reefer). Our team added some great new talent, that is why in my opinion we have a deeper roster this year despite the loss of DL.
As for is VFW good or bad for the league..... if the league is composed of queers who want to whine about D league and E and classifications get your head checked. Our team has Pete, Espo, GT, Godin, Riley, and I that play at Clegg the rest of the guys are OAWMF how is that a stacked team? Get a grip. We are good but we are just as good as Mouton, PNA, Bot or Crowe (who imo has just as much talent) or even Mert's DDS (dirty diaper squad). I don't believe the VFW is far and away a favorite to win it all. I think there is a clump of 5 teams that are in it to the end we just caught 1 of the other 4 on a bad day in the Crowe and if we played them again I would guarantee a more competitive game.
I played (thanks to lb4lb) with the VFW the last year that they sucked in '05. We were horrible and a freak show. Then Artie took the helm and we made an immediate turn around. The VFW team is a testament to how a good coach can build a good team. Artie works very hard at recruiting people to play softball with him. If the other teams put in this same kind of effort then you would get the same or similar results. Artie had nothing to work with at first but sold the team on the few good players he had to others and eventually he built it into the team we have today. (and fuck me I hate giving "the little fire hydrant" any credit. I hate you guys for making me do that!)
Now, for the guys whining about are we making this a D league or not.... you're whiny cunts. I say sell your bat and buy a fishing pole. I have played on some horrible teams before and I took my lumps and it made me better. Take your lumps and get better. Sunday morning was fun when I was on a 5 and 17 team and it's just as fun now that I am on a squad that has reversed those numbers. If you want to complain because the team you think is stacked has 5 players from Clegg then nothing I can say can help you because you are just too far gone. Last I heard they shoot horses that hit that stage of senility.
ARTIEKARATE
May 23, 2008 9:06:52 AM
Entry #: 2762700
EW DONT FORGET THE SHERIFFS BACK IN TOWN AND EMELIO EMELIO EMELIO !!!!!!
ARTIEKARATE
May 23, 2008 10:05:42 AM
Entry #: 2762774
All kidding aside my players are the ones who go out and win the games a coach keeps the guys up and focused but the players win it on the field .The work that goes into running a team sucks but if you have good guys then you dont mind. EW and Ryno thanks for the props it has been a long road since i took over.
Hinske
May 23, 2008 11:47:25 AM
Entry #: 2762929
enlight of this discussion i vote to have a coach of the year award.
I nominate artie for his diligant work and great ability to recruit along the way. hahahha
Uncle Mertog
May 23, 2008 12:26:23 PM
Entry #: 2763001
Keep it up with that celebrity shit Mr. Smith and I'll be forced to tell Kate about the REAL Ian.
Uncle Mertog
May 23, 2008 12:33:34 PM
Entry #: 2763008
I was hoping you two knuckleheads would go at it...but since you are both playing nice now, I'll just have to go with option B.
ARTIEKARATE
May 23, 2008 1:11:47 PM
Entry #: 2763070
ryman "kirby jr" what do you do roll his bat bag from the car to the field !! just kidding .
RyMan
May 23, 2008 5:51:24 PM
Entry #: 2763436
I'd roll his bat bag to the field if he asked, out of a mixture of respect of talent, and sheer fear. Besides, I don't think his bat bag has wheels. Ask Hodges. I think he sleeps in it.
Ry
May 24, 2008 12:06:22 PM
Entry #: 2763927
Ryman, I dont walk anyones bag to the field or sleep in it, in fact when your done with kirbys you can get mine! So everyone knows there are 2 Ryans on patriot oil dont get us confused, Ryman is Ryan Ruggeri im the other! c u at practice, chump!
RyMan
May 24, 2008 12:38:49 PM
Entry #: 2763941
Start hittin some 350' homeruns that don't go over 15 feet high the whole time, and I'll carry your bat bag. For now I'll just keep watching you hit them 350' straight up in the air. You are, however, the best batting practice pitcher I've ever seen.
Everyone knows there are 2 ryan's, Hodge. Im the team representitive on these here forums, and you're the other one that isn't as funny.
All kidding aside you're gonna have a monster year hitting. I just have a feeling. See ya in 4 hours ya loser!
Chip
May 24, 2008 7:58:13 PM
Entry #: 2764154
Artie...I have to agree with you, running a team can suck. Most only see what they want to see (game time). You have to attend bi-monthly meetings, making of lineups, turning in of stats, lining of the field, who's not gonna show due to personal, work or pleasure and shifting around of positions. And don't forget PRACTICE. That's right...I said PRACTICE like Alan Iverson.
I've got to hire a babysitter for Ry and Ryman for this little feud. Boys...cut the shit from your coach.
Players not getting enough at-bats, fielding time, etc... It's a never-ending battle. You will please some yet piss off others. I personally try to get everyone in every game, somehow it seems to be working.
EW33
May 24, 2008 8:08:21 PM
Entry #: 2764165
I would listen to you too chip. It would all work out because who wants to fuck with you and run the risk of twisting your nuthuggers any tighter?
Uncle Mertog
May 25, 2008 1:39:05 AM
Entry #: 2764390
Managing is no picnic...but it has gotten much easier since I got fired from the Pub!
Chip, yu and Tom Jones are the only two men on earth that can successfully pull off the Moose Knuckle!
nate8
May 25, 2008 4:03:32 PM
Entry #: 2764702
My only response to all this is,and i'm sure anyone who has played more than one year of softball should agree with is that winning takes time. VFW sucked for most of the 80's and 90's.I may play in Warwick now but I grew up watching teams like the Hustlers and Club Jogues rule most of that time.Time takes its toll and teams change players all the time.Nobody is unbeatable.
