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TOPIC: USSSA PITCHING RULE |
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| Smitty
August 12, 2008
1:41:58 AM
Entry #: 2866430
| On 8/25 we will vote at the meeting on using full USSSA rules for Fall Ball. We pretty much play all of their rules except for the pitching. So here are the official pitching rules so we can make an informed decision...
Sec. 1. AT NO TIME during the progress of the Game shall the Pitcher be allowed to
use tape or any other substance, including a glove, upon the pitching hand or fingers nor
shall any foreign substance be applied to the ball, provided that, under supervision and
control of the Umpire, a bag containing powdered resin may be used to dry the hands.
Sec. 2. AT THE BEGINNING of an inning or when a Pitcher relieves another Pitcher,
one minute may be used to deliver not more than THREE PRACTICE PITCHES to the
Catcher or some other Teammate.
Sec. 3. LEGAL POSITIONS OF THE PITCHER’S FEET.
A. The pitcher may pitch from the Pitching Plate or from the Pitching Area,
an area the width of the Plate and up to six (6) feet behind the Pitcher’s Plate.
B. Preliminary to Pitching, the Pitcher shall take a position with his/her pivot
foot firmly on the ground and in contact with the Pitching Plate or Pitching
Area. The pivot foot must be in contact with the Pitcher’s Plate or Pitching Area
when the pitched ball is released.
C. The other foot (free foot) has no restriction on position and may be placed
on, in front of, to the rear of, or to the side of the Pitcher’s Plate or Pitching
Area After taking the initial position, the Pitcher may take more than one step
with the free foot, in any direction of his choice, provided that it is taken prior
to, simultaneously with or during the actions of delivering the pitched ball.
D. After the release of the Pitch, there are no restrictions on Pitcher’s subsequent
movements, or the fielding positions he may assume as a Defensive
Player.
Sec. 4. PITCHER’S LEGAL MOTIONS ALLOWED IN ACTUAL DELIVERY
OF THE PITCH.
A. After assuming the pitching position on the Pitcher’s Plate or in the
Pitching Area, the Pitcher must present the ball in FRONT OF HIS BODY (for
at least one second) in either one or both hands before starting the delivery
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motions. Note: All Pitching rules that apply to the Pitcher’s actions before and
during the release of the pitch along with the restrictions on height, speed, etc,
shall remain the same.
B. The Pitcher may hold or grip the ball in any manner before delivery.
C. Only a definite underhand motion is permitted in the delivery of the Pitch.
D. The Pitcher may release the pitched ball in any manner when delivering
the Pitch. This includes any and all types of delivery.
EFFECT Sec. A-D. After the Pitcher presents the ball, he may make any windup or arm
motions desired, either in front of his body, above his head or behind his back, including
stops and pauses in these motions.
E. Once the Pitcher begins his delivery motions the umpire shall not give a
call or signal for “Time” unless something unusual occurs.
F. The pitched ball must be released within 5 seconds from the time the
Pitcher has the ball and the batter has taken his position in the Batter’s Box.
From this point, the Umpire shall not give a call or signal for “Time” unless
something unusual occurs.
G. Pitcher must face Home Plate on delivery of pitch.
(NOTE Sec. 4. A-E. Realizing that the Pitcher does not fool very many batters to the
extent that they can not hit the ball, it is desired that Pitchers not be handicapped by technicalities,
when they do develop a new technique or delivery that, perhaps, will add to the
pleasure and appeal to the spectators, as long as the Pitcher adheres to the basic Pitching
Rules.)
Sec. 5. TYPE OF PITCH PERMITTED.
A. The ball must be Pitched underhanded at Slow Speed.
B. The Pitched Ball must arc at least 3 feet after leaving the Pitcher’s hand
and before it passes any part of Home Plate.
C. The Pitched Ball shall not rise higher than 10 feet above the ground.
EFFECT Sec. 5. A-C. The speed of the Pitch and height of the pitched ball are left entirely
to the judgment of the Umpire (NOTE: For sake of uniformity in decisions, any doubtful
Pitch should be ruled as an unfairly delivered pitch). The Umpire shall warn a Pitcher who
delivers a Pitch with EXCESSIVE SPEED that repeating such EXCESSIVE SPEED
PITCH will cause the Pitcher’s removal from the Pitcher’s position for the remainder of
the Game. A Pitch that does not arc the full 3 feet as required (flat level pitch) may not be
an EXCESSIVE SPEED PITCH, but merely an Unfairly delivered Pitch.
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| Ryno
August 12, 2008
5:46:32 AM
Entry #: 2866469
| In other words stand near the mound and cluck like a chicken for 3 seconds before you can throw the ball.
Circus ball is coming to hickville!
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| Hinske
August 12, 2008
8:09:21 AM
Entry #: 2866517
| aw ryno after last weekend you should welcome such a change.
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| gopher
August 12, 2008
9:03:24 AM
Entry #: 2866574
| Can somebody please tell me what the big differance is or what seems to be the advantage to a team that for the last year or so this has been a topic. I think the system in place right now is fine, but i havn't been in the league long enough to know what the benifit to this rule would be.
1, Do you have better pitching
2, Can you get more hits
3, Do the ball's travel futher...
I mean what. It seems like the arch is differant and you can act like a monkey before you pitch if you want...i just don't know. But please if there is a advantage i would like to know
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| Hinske
August 12, 2008
9:22:08 AM
Entry #: 2866597
| The first distinct advantage would be the umpiring of games. Though the umps have been great this year they are definatly having difficulty judging the arc of ASA. There will also be no confusion on little things such as runners, distances between plate and pitching area, bases, ground rules etc. It will definatley allow the umpires to have a little mor say in the games rather than taking our word for anything out of the ordinary that might happen.
The second is it is an easier pitch to hit so the games will be filled with runs. Yes the top teer teams will still crush the ball but also it will give the lower teams a better view of pitching. the arc is flatter thus coming in lower and a lot easier to hit.
There is really no sense in being half and half its confusing to guys who only play ASA or only play Utrip. There should be a league wide change one way or another.
If you dont like the fakes then dont do them im willing to bet the most you will get from guys is a little pump fake and rockstars signiture mark through the legs. No old time utrip pitchers in this league to do cartwheels so the monkey shit will be out the window for the most part.
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| gopher
August 12, 2008
9:33:19 AM
Entry #: 2866610
| So what you are saying is there are a few difference in the rules but for the most part, the same as this season. But the pitching is going to change for the better. What you are also saying Hinkse is that the fakes of the pitching can take you out of rythem and focus...correct
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| Hinske
August 12, 2008
11:23:43 AM
Entry #: 2866778
| can take both the pitcher and the batter out of rythem lets face it none of us are pro's at pitching except maybe rob longball raymond. so it can work in both ways.
And yes very few differences. Im not sure about the home runs i think it might be the same as in 5 but i dont play alot of utrip but am going to start next year.
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| Smitty
August 12, 2008
11:48:01 AM
Entry #: 2866830
| gopher, did you read the pitching rules that i put up? seems like you just want the cliffsnotes. it will only take you 5 minutes to read them and everything will be spelled correctly.
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| Uncle Mertog
August 12, 2008
12:00:09 PM
Entry #: 2866849
| Hinske hit it right on the head when he said that the major difference would be the consistancy of rules making it far easier for the USSSA umps to do their job.
USSSA pitches in as much as the arc is concerned are much easier to hit than the ASA arc particularly for guys whom have played baseball all their lives. Flatter arc coming in. Of course guys like Rob Raymond will find a way to utilize every single inch of 10' and perhaps stretch it out to 12' or so.
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| gopher
August 12, 2008
12:09:37 PM
Entry #: 2866861
| Mert
didn't you read the post that Smitty put up?
didnt it say that also
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| Hinske
August 12, 2008
12:10:04 PM
Entry #: 2866862
| I may not spell well but i didnt lose to dutilly now did i post nazi
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| Smitty
August 12, 2008
12:25:39 PM
Entry #: 2866876
| easy hinske, that was for gerbil, i mean gopher who has found a way to make less sense every time he posts.....he must not be allowed to post at work so just smashes the keyboard as fast as possible and posts whatever comes out
go read your planet and leave me alone
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| RyMan
August 12, 2008
12:33:17 PM
Entry #: 2866887
| From what I saw of utrip softball (high level, nationally ranked teams, including the #1 team in the country), a good utrip pitcher can actually have a meaningful effect on the game for their team. They'll throw knuckleballs that due to the flatter arc, will actually knuckle and move and make it hard to hit. Switching to this type of pitching will definitely add an interesting new dimension in our league. The problem that I think arises, however, is that with the exception of maybe 2 or 3 pitchers, the league's pitchers are comprised of veteran ASA pitchers that I highly doubt want to throw flatter pitches and do pump fakes. If we really think about it, do we want to hit off a bunch of pitchers that are trying to learn a new way of pitching as they go along through fall ball? Im thinkin that's gonna cause a lot of walks. I just hope the managers see how their pitchers feel about the change before they vote. You really think Rob Raymond can/will pitch with a 10' arc?
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| Hinske
August 12, 2008
12:37:37 PM
Entry #: 2866897
| i dont think it matters for you if it was put on a tee your still not gonna hit it out of the infield. so yes a high number of walks would allow you to get on base and have someone run for your unathletic pile of puke of a body.
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| gopher
August 12, 2008
12:47:31 PM
Entry #: 2866914
| Wow Smitty
Your laying the sarcasm on pretty thick today
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| Hinske
August 12, 2008
1:23:03 PM
Entry #: 2866965
| planet was read and a wonderful piece for that matter. What i dont understand is why the fuck you guys just dont say fuck off. For real its not like your getting laid anyway. if you go to softball or not. just do what you want they aint goin no where.
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| Hinske
August 12, 2008
1:55:48 PM
Entry #: 2867022
| I also suspect that none of you so called (married guys) will touch my last statement due to the fact that your wives probably stare over you shoulders while you enjoy the one thing other than beer in your life. Hi mrs hodde
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| Uncle Mertog
August 12, 2008
1:57:29 PM
Entry #: 2867024
| Hinske is right again....just play ball. It may look great now...but eventually it all becomes the same. Like two old catchers mits slapping up against each other and smelling like old leather.
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| RyMan
August 12, 2008
2:03:40 PM
Entry #: 2867031
| I will have you know that I beat Dutilly to the bag on sunday, and he's faster than smitty. So im not the slowest guy in the league at least. Never had to have a courtesy runner in my life. Only 1 hit that didn't make it out of the infield sunday (yet it was hit because its downhill from home to first apparently). And while we're on the subject......can we hit off a tee!?
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| Hinske
August 12, 2008
2:47:20 PM
Entry #: 2867096
| You can try to do whatever you want, but I still think you could fuck up a wet dream.
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| ant77
August 12, 2008
3:23:01 PM
Entry #: 2867147
| Hinske, What the hell got you so fired up today? YOu may need to enroll in anger management classes soon. BTW Mert I have been married for 8 years and i still do what i want including going to the bar after so it can be done you just have to fight back.
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| demonti
August 12, 2008
4:05:53 PM
Entry #: 2867218
| in the years that this site has been operating, i have never seen any one person write as much dogshit fuckin horse piss elmo mudd verbal herpes nonsense in my life as ryman. if i posted about the sahara desert sand flea, you would have a 90 page dissatation on the entire history of the goddamn thing and use 20 instances of your runn ins with it. get a fuckin life and spare us your stupid insites on every fuckin thing under the sun please and i promise ill leave you alone. deal?
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| RyMan
August 12, 2008
5:41:25 PM
Entry #: 2867382
| Nope, no deal. Im going to write what I want when I want to and you can either ignore it, email smitty and plead with him to delete it, or just keep saying you hate it. If you think telling me to stop posting is gonna stop me, then im gonna post specifically to piss you off because it makes me laugh. You and hinske haven't come close to bothering me. Its an online forum, im not about to waste time getting heated over it. I could write about the last time I met a kid like you when I was coaching this kid to compete in the special olympics, but I'll spare you that essay just this once. Also, im sorry you have sand fleas.
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| hodde
August 12, 2008
7:18:43 PM
Entry #: 2867498
| hinske my wife said hi back as i was laughing my ass off on the floor spilling my beer
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| Mac
August 13, 2008
12:59:40 AM
Entry #: 2867892
| i guess i can understand that u kinda have to adapt to certain things your not used to when u get married like maybe not play 6 days a week or be at the bar those 6 days, however if she doesnt want u playin ball and would rather have you at a 3 year olds birthday party, wedding, anythin other than sittin on your bar stool drinkin and watchin football/ baseball after the sunday morning games. then i declare they should have to produce all the alcohol for u while u r stuck at these such occasions.... god knows u 1 earned it and 2 need it to make it thru that chaos of a sunday afternoon.
and come on hodde everyone knows u dont spill your beer, only time ive seen any kind of beer is when ronnie horta punched u at harris. he held the beer but there was some type of secretion from his eyes obv it wasnt tears had to have been beer coming out of his tear ducts hahaha hi mrs hodde cant wait to see you in 2 weeks when young rob raymond takes on old rob raymond...... bring your sign to raven wood for neil haha hodde u still letting ernie paint your toes? ernie told me all about your gay excapades
and dionski = elmo hahaha
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| Hinske
August 13, 2008
7:59:53 AM
Entry #: 2867992
| I say bring back the training program remember they can be replaced train them right and they wont act up. Oh and mrs hodde i left the back window open again see you later.
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| demonti
August 13, 2008
8:22:39 AM
Entry #: 2868013
| hey ryman, i got to give it to you, the special olympics gag was good and if you see me in a bar on sundays you would see how rite you are. but on the other hand i would rather be in the special olympics than blowing my shortstop while he shits and writing an essay on how his load tasted. your a fuckin homo still and i would challenge you to any event in any sport at any time and i will guarentee you i will win absolutely stone drunk. i say we start with olympic boxing with no gloves.
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| gopher
August 13, 2008
9:17:39 AM
Entry #: 2868073
| Special Olympic during the World Olympic's
How about a 10 ball shoot out. Each get 10 balls pitched to them and whom ever hits the most out of Club Jogues gets to punch the other right in the face...
Something tells me that Demontiskistien won't feel he lost even if he loose's...
P.s do you still feel dumber now Smitty
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| Hinske
August 13, 2008
9:32:29 AM
Entry #: 2868093
| IM IN THEN HAHAH
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| demonti
August 13, 2008
12:26:58 PM
Entry #: 2868390
| better yet gopher, ill let him punch me in the face 5 times before we even start hitting and i will still guarentee victory and if i win ill let him punch me 5 more times, cuz we all know that homos hit like girls, and i will say that i am more scared of the boogie man than ryman, hahahahahaha
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| gopher
August 13, 2008
12:51:18 PM
Entry #: 2868440
| So i said to Mike....
Why not make it a nice little home run expedition, we will have some beers and cook some food and he said " Sure i will bring the Grill"
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| RyMan
August 13, 2008
2:29:40 PM
Entry #: 2868605
| Ok, Demonti, lets have a homerun derby then. You win, I won't make a single post on this forum until the 2009 season starts and I'll buy you a case of beer (brand of your choice). I win, nothing changes. 10 outs, every swing that isn't a homerun is an out. You pick the field. Email me and we'll figure out a day to hit and how we can get our hands on some better softballs. I have a little over a bucket's worth but they're either super high compression or old. Ryman@tmail.com
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| Ryno
August 13, 2008
2:44:32 PM
Entry #: 2868638
| I still get laid. The trick is the first time take vaigra. It will have them hooked trying to recapture that every time, which will never happen again. You youngsters can still learn a thing or two from the old guys.
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| Hinske
August 13, 2008
3:29:07 PM
Entry #: 2868710
| CAN I BE IN THE HOME RUN DERBY
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| Smitty
August 13, 2008
3:37:00 PM
Entry #: 2868718
| i bet you can get this smack derby sponsored by botelho insurance.
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| hodde
August 13, 2008
3:38:40 PM
Entry #: 2868719
| mac horta never punched me he slapped me, cause i slapped him by accident ,and that was his instinct was to slap me back ,as i was trying to say sorry , me and horta are all good
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| hodde
August 13, 2008
3:47:21 PM
Entry #: 2868742
| ohhh and by the way wife will have signs and horns no prob. she says hi also . and ernie wright fuck him i dont like him anymore, he is gonna go play on pna with broz, who doesnt even want him in the same league as him, broz you can come play for club jogues if you need to get away from him and bring dutilly with ya too heard he is sick of ew too
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| RyMan
August 13, 2008
4:08:38 PM
Entry #: 2868775
| I don't care if you're in it too, Hinske. Should be fun. But the bet is gonna be between me and Demonti. 2 against 1 is a bit unfair.
What do you say, lb4lb? Wanna sponsor the event?
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| demonti
August 13, 2008
4:13:35 PM
Entry #: 2868781
| ok ryman, you got yourself a deal, i say foster field or club jokes its up to you and if you win i will buy you a case of beer your choice. i am getting a new found respect for you seeing as you are man enough to go derbying with the timebomb. i'll even go the extra mile that if you win i will never call you a homo again. ill get my hands on some good softballs for us and i put a new rule that you can pick your own pitcher, mine will be big boss man dionne. when you come up with a time and a field shoot me an email demontimike1977@yahoo.com
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| ant77
August 13, 2008
4:30:08 PM
Entry #: 2868805
| I may have to start taking side bets on this and have all the profits go to the league
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| RyMan
August 13, 2008
4:53:01 PM
Entry #: 2868835
| They should have a league wide HR derby with entry fees and do a 50/50. Winner takes 50% and the rest goes to the league.
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| hodde
August 13, 2008
7:18:49 PM
Entry #: 2869028
| ryman have you ever hit a homerun ever for real and if so how many
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| Hinske
August 14, 2008
8:50:27 AM
Entry #: 2869470
| im in it would be a good time. so is kirby gonna swing ryman then.
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| gopher
August 14, 2008
9:17:11 AM
Entry #: 2869495
| Here's the deal....
This is going to take place on the 24th of August @ Club Jogues @ 1:15
It will take place after the final game of the regular season.
Each of the 2 contestant's will have the oppertunity to use any bat deemed legal for Coventry Mens Softball( no Ultra sorry Ryman)
You will be able to choose your own pitcher for this compition (Mike i don't recommend a pitcher or beer but that's just me) to Pitch you 10 pitchs of your choice
balls will be provided by each contestant also must be aggreed on before the event
The prize's will be as follow's
If the "Time Bomb Demonti" wins this battle then mr. ryman must never speak of Kirby in a love and passionate way again on this softball website forum ever.....
BUT
If "Mr I have the knees for Kirby" wins then he will recive the following
1, the ability to speak as he wish's
2, the respect of Mike as the greatest smack talker in the league
3, A case of domestic beer of his choice
4, and 1 punch in Mike's illustrious, masterfull, only a mother could love face
please feel free to e-mail me direct if any questions or call 401-374-9611
Sponsorsship is available for the purchase of ball and will have that sponsor's name written on and message left for the crowd to enjoy
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| Hinske
August 14, 2008
10:04:04 AM
Entry #: 2869543
| A FEW OTHER RULES.
Kirby can not come dressed as ryman.
And you have to hit from home plate.
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| RyMan
August 14, 2008
10:08:16 AM
Entry #: 2869549
| Fuck! Im out Hinske.
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| Ryno
August 14, 2008
10:08:41 AM
Entry #: 2869550
| Sweet. I might park my ass on the hill for this debacle.
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| RyMan
August 14, 2008
10:22:52 AM
Entry #: 2869569
| Gopher, can't do sunday the 24th. Mike and I are going to come to an agreement on the when and where. But I will be sure to let you know what we agree upon so anyone who'd like to stop by and watch or maybe participate can do so. You could even come take some pictures for the site if you want. Win or lose, im gonna have fun.
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| gopher
August 14, 2008
10:42:17 AM
Entry #: 2869601
| why not
arn't you guys playing for your teams that weekend?
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| demonti
August 14, 2008
11:00:06 AM
Entry #: 2869626
| hey gopher, sounds like you are as excited for this event as i am, ryman and i have talked about this event and he said that mondays are better for him but to be honest i would much rather do it on sunday at clud jokes because mondays are bad for me i have my daughter on mondays but i will email ryman and see if he would be willing to switch to sunday.
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| lawnman
August 14, 2008
12:14:52 PM
Entry #: 2869750
| there u go again hodde trying to steal pna players ,lol, broz isnt avaiable till 2010 srry anyways noboby shows to play for u anyway why do u think anyone else will ,srry hodde had to say that love u man
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| gopher
August 14, 2008
12:51:48 PM
Entry #: 2869807
| Mike
I will promote this any way you guys want and yes i am excited about any event that involves softball, beer, and embarrasment...havn't you seen me play. We can do it on a Saturday afternoon, Tuesday nite, Friday morning...when ever but yes a Sunday would be great. Maybe we could get a sponsor for each...Botelho's for the Ryman and you get the sponsor of your choice...
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| RyMan
August 14, 2008
1:08:28 PM
Entry #: 2869825
| Gopher, I could go there and not hit a single ball out of the infield and not be embarassed, sorry to disappoint you. I work sundays right after the games which is my issue. I'll see what I can do, Mike. I'll let ya know. This is gonna happen. Its gonna be a good time.
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| Hinske
August 14, 2008
1:36:56 PM
Entry #: 2869867
| now you guys are making out this softball is a sick sick creul twisted addiction. It can make arch enemies fall in love.
i am disgusted.
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| RyMan
August 14, 2008
2:03:04 PM
Entry #: 2869912
| Fuck you, Hinske! Is that better?
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| demonti
August 14, 2008
2:08:12 PM
Entry #: 2869926
| im am in no way in love or would ever fall in love with any male period. and for that matter make out with a male. she male maybe but i would have to be very cocked and the scary part is when am i not cocked, hahaha. we are still arch enemies and i am going to attempt to win this event to get ryman and his overwhelming love for kirby and his cock off the website for the rest of the year, so easy hinske, lets not jump to conclusions just yet
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| Hinske
August 14, 2008
3:54:15 PM
Entry #: 2870088
| RYMAN I WILL SNAP YOU LIKE KIRBY SNAPS YOUR HEAD WHEN YOU USE YOUR TEETH.
DEMONSKI I NEED NOT WORRY ONE HOMERUN SHOULD BE SUFFICIANT ENOUGH.
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| RyMan
August 14, 2008
3:59:37 PM
Entry #: 2870091
| Whoa, easy with the caps lock, Hinske. Don't wanna hurt yourself. Zero homeruns may be enough to beat me, over the backstop counts as -1.
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| hodde
August 14, 2008
5:06:54 PM
Entry #: 2870186
| eddie not trying to steal broz just trying to help him out of a very long season with ernie wright. i guess his only help then is if you guys say no to ernie, for your team mate broz. love ya too eddie lol
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| Ryno
August 14, 2008
8:02:11 PM
Entry #: 2870396
| Fuck that Hodde. I will personally keep them seperated if that's what it takes. One can go in time out while the other bats.
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| lawnman
August 14, 2008
11:32:30 PM
Entry #: 2870591
| lol, thanks hodde but i dont think well have any problems ,
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| EW33
August 15, 2008
9:22:54 AM
Entry #: 2870831
| There wont be any problems unless he turns around after giving up a bomb and yells at me to get in position. Ask him about that one.... the only time i havent seen eye to eye with the broz and it is funny... now anyways lol.
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| Uncle Mertog
August 18, 2008
7:16:04 PM
Entry #: 2874099
| Let's get back to the original topic of the pitching this fall! I saygive it a shot in fall going with USSSA all the way. Everyone was skeptical about moving from ASA to USSSA...that worked out extremely well. We saved money, have better insurance and the umps are by far superior.
Then everyone was skeptical about the bats...so far this season there have been no reported serious injuries due to the bats and that worked out well.
Now we are afraid to just dive in and play USSSA all the way. Once again as was said about the sactioning body, as was said about the bats...give it a try and see how it works.
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| Ryno
August 18, 2008
7:37:14 PM
Entry #: 2874140
| Typically I am against the circus pitching of USSSA, but I have to agree with my Hunter S. Thompson obsessed friend. If we are going then damn the torpedos and just go full speed ahead.
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| Ryno
August 18, 2008
7:42:12 PM
Entry #: 2874149
| Ernie I visit Todd on the mound all the time but I leave Broz to fume on his own.
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| Uncle Mertog
August 19, 2008
5:58:37 AM
Entry #: 2874588
| Atta boy Ryno....besides you have to presnt the ball to the batter thu making the fakes a moot point really. In addition, if a pitcher is acting like an idiot it is added incentive to shoot box.
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| Ryno
August 26, 2008
10:50:57 AM
Entry #: 2883276
| So did I see correctly that we ended up going half assed with the pitching rules?
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| Hinske
August 26, 2008
11:23:42 AM
Entry #: 2883332
| not half assed at all utrip arc no fakes just like you old timers like it no funny stuff.
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