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| Boonazz
October 18, 2008
8:17:57 PM
Entry #: 2952398
| Ok I am again going to the experts...
After watching Adams go down to lk Orion I had to seek within for spirituial guidance. After meditating on this I started to feel better..
I do not feel bad about the loss. It was a loss to good D1 team. This will cause Adams to reflect back, critque the game, and seek enlightenment. Ohm.....oooohhhhmmmmmm. I believe will will come out oft this more focused and ready for a tough playoff knowing we can and will loose if we r not read to bring r "A" game on offense and defense. oHM....OHMMMMMM..... ohmmmmmmmmm ! I seek innner wisdom from all of u????
Will the OAA be competive in the playoffs?
Will we have any teams that go deep into the playoffs (regional champs or better)?
Is this a strong conference this year?.. compared to MAC , CHSl, MEGA, KVLA, SEC, OK ect.
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| upandover
October 18, 2008
8:36:21 PM
Entry #: 2952412
| Don't fee to bad Boon. Sometime a little kick in the gut is good medicine. Need to know pain if you don't want to repeat pain. This loss will most likely do nothing to hurt the mighty scots in the playoffs. They should still have home field through regionals and better to lose now than in the semis (not meant as a slap). Adams is a strong threat for Ford Field and they have a great coach.
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| Boonazz
October 18, 2008
10:19:28 PM
Entry #: 2952507
| Thx Dr. Phil (upnover). I hopeing all our OAA team do well in the playoffs Red, White, and Blue. In the play offs we have to take em 1 at a time to reach the promised land.
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| OAAscouts
October 18, 2008
11:07:04 PM
Entry #: 2952555
| I'm with you guys... any OAA team that can pull off 6 victories with this competition should fare well. After the week 9 matches I'll be ready to yap about it.
As far as Lake Orion over Rochester Adams... I have to say I had the Dragons at #1 in the preseason OAA Top 25 and they showed that they deserved it when they got their chance. Great offensive line play and footwork. Huge respect for longtime Dragon Coaching team Bell (Offense) and Tooley (Defense). A reminder, Clarkston is hardly a walk in the park. Especially after Adams and before MHSAA Playoff action. Knowing Chris Bell, I expect them to show up and play well.
I did hear some comments from Adams Coach Patritto and it sounds to me as if he was unhappy with his teams performance, specifically special team play and offensive turnovers. Should be a pretty tough week as the Highlanders prepare for Rochester. In the long run, this loss may just give them the boost they need in their playoff run.
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| Boonazz
October 18, 2008
11:27:57 PM
Entry #: 2952567
| Hey Scouts how many do we get in? How exciting is it with play offs starting in 2 weeks? Ur forum will be abuzz with playoff talk in the next 2 weeks. Pretty soon we can talk about some real interesting matchups for r OAA teams!
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| upandover
October 19, 2008
10:31:04 AM
Entry #: 2952786
| I count ten teams:
Adams, LO, Ctown, sfield, troy, WB, lahser, Ferndale, Avondale, farmington. Who goes the furthest depends on district pairings. Those pairings always seem suspect. Wouldn't a farmington/sfield rematch be interesting? My favorites going in for D1 is Fordson, D2 is Musky and D3 is EGR. here i go jumping the gun. It's too hard not to. Good luck all OAA teams! Lets represent!
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| Boonazz
October 19, 2008
12:43:22 PM
Entry #: 2952911
| upnover,
Good post.. Im interested in ur D1 pick. I believe there is alot of parity on the east side. Put another way there is no clear favorites on the east side D1 or D2. Ur Fordson pick therefore does not suprise me although I am sticking with Lk Orion or Clarkston . Anyway why did u pick Fordson? Why do u think they would beat r teams? I can see Musky as a favorite for D2..but let me ask u what do u think about Delasalle? Not sure if they will be D2 as of right now they look like they will be D1...how do u like ther chances in both D1 and D2?
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| upandover
October 19, 2008
3:54:24 PM
Entry #: 2953030
| Boon, Let me just preface this with, I'm guessing. I likeg Fordson because they can run the ball when they want. This is huge. Also they have a stingy D. I really don't know much besides that. They have been putting up big pts and running the ball all day. They have 2 very good RBs. The only time I saw them was in their 4 way with troy, Ike, and sfield. They were good then and probably better now. Of course, pairings mean everything. Can LO take them down? Most certainly. DLS is an interesting team. Are they as good as their record? Their dominance of the CHSL? Or are they playing average teams? I don't know. They seem to have a very good D. But the O seems to be average at best. Can LO or Adams take them? Yes! It's hard to tell if they will be 1 or 2. If they are 1, they may be in an interesting district with the likes of Stevenson, or perhaps southeastern. I like Adams and LO to get to their regionals, can't predict beyond that.
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| Boonazz
October 19, 2008
4:08:23 PM
Entry #: 2953039
| Boody and Amen is a tough running combo for Fordson. I hear Amen in some eyes is BETTER and that is scary.
Now Lk Orion is scary because they have fast running backs and a QB who is playing like he is a jr or Sr. A good defense to back them although they should be concerned about Adams putting 28 on them ... they need to tighten that up for the playoffs. Clarkston has got an offense but have they got a playoff caliber defense ... Da question they will answer in two weeks.
Adams needs to work on needless offensive turnovers and look at the OLBs and DBs on the D. To me Lk Orion goes in with the strongest team and r best possibility for a State Championship.
Adams with some luck and some adjustments can go far. Clarkston, Southfield, and B Lahser can all be pleasant surprises for the OAA. More to come in the weeks coming up!
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| geralldd
October 19, 2008
7:50:28 PM
Entry #: 2953258
| If I were L.O. i wouldn't worry too much about giving up 28 to one of the top offense in the state. They were nails in the second half after making some key adjustments. Adams last 7 was kind of in garbage time. I believe it was twice, may have been 3 times, they made Adams turn it over on downs, no other team will be able to do that vs Adams O.
If I were Adams I wouldn't worry too much losing to maybe (probably) a top 5 team in the state, for sure top 10 in all divisions.
Soemtimes a loss can help more than it hurts, as awkward as that sounds. These are the best 2 teams in the OAA, and as history shows, the top in this league usually fare pretty well.
As far as who is in the playoffs... Dont assume Troy is in yet. I think were safe to assume W.B. is in ... Believe it or not Athens is fully capable of beating an average Troy team.
This sure is going to be fun!
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| geralldd
October 19, 2008
8:11:16 PM
Entry #: 2953284
| If I'm figuring things correctly, could DeLaSalle slip into D1 this season for the palyoffs?? Maybe even as the cutoff team?
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| Boonazz
October 19, 2008
8:42:44 PM
Entry #: 2953323
| geralldd,
Good stuff..as thee OAA readies for the playoffs..it is good to take stock and see where we are at. We enter the playoff with some solid teams ... in particular Adams, Southfield, Lk Orion and Clarkston and lets throw in B Lahser from the Blue. We will watch with interest how these teams do in their 1st round matches. Additionally how will Farmington, Troy, W. bloomfield, Ferndale and Avondale fare in the 1st round. This will tell me alot about the strength of our conference. Each step deeper will make us all breathe a sight of relief knowning the OAA did show up and has bonafide contenders. Your comments should give all our OAA teams confidence and hope that the will represent the OAA with talent, class , and champions spirit. Fire Up OAA lets get it DONE!
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| geralldd
October 19, 2008
9:28:28 PM
Entry #: 2953380
| Man, I just wrote a long post and it didnt post it...
Long story short, I think if you take 1 of the top 4 MAC teams (Dakota, Romeo, Chip Valley, SH Stevenson) and put them in the OAA Red this season all would finish 2nd behind L.O., ahead of or tied with Clarkston... my honest thoughts.
Still upset about that last post that didnt post... maybe it was tooooo long.
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| Boonazz
October 19, 2008
11:34:50 PM
Entry #: 2953537
| Hey geralldd,
I had this happen and I am sure others have experienced this too. Suggestion :As u write ur post.. highlight the text and save (copy/cut) onto ur clipboard / memory. Another way is to write your post into a text editor like MS notepad (or the like) and cut n paste into the forum message box. I have to laugh (in a painful way) as I have lost a number of long posts....poof they were gone and I was pissed! I feel for u brother!!!
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| geralldd
October 20, 2008
12:20:17 AM
Entry #: 2953569
| http://www.snooze2you.com/2008/Week8Map.php?division=1
these are pretty cool
D-1
Looks like W.B., Troy, Detroit Henry Ford & Mumford would be a district,
Clarkston, L.O., Romeo & Grand Blanc would be another.
D-2
Avondale, Adams, Oxford, Davison in a district,
Southfield, Highland Park, Edsel Ford, Detroit Osborn in another,
Farmington, Brother Rice, Lakeland & Walled Lake Western in another...
D-3
Lahser, Warren Fitzgerald, Warren Lincoln, St Clair Shoes Lakeshore in a district.
Ferndale, Chelsea, Redford Thurston, Inkster in another.
Even though its unlikely, Could be some interesting matchup if these hold.
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| upandover
October 20, 2008
12:07:40 PM
Entry #: 2954052
| cmon G, put your Troy pessimism aside for one second. Athens is a bad football team and there will be no way they will beat Troy. I know Troy has many weaknesses, but overall they are a much better team than Athens. Have you seen Athens? They have nothing! G, you mentioned you are a Troy grad, when and did you play? Your posts appear to make you a disgruntled troy player. Do you not like Griff? You seem to be hoping Troy falls flat on their face.
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| geralldd
October 20, 2008
12:36:20 PM
Entry #: 2954106
| LOL I love Griff... not really disgruntled either, I just understand football and can evaluate talent better than most, I played 98-00, Its not pessimism its realism, I recall my senior year Athens was garbage just as they are now, and somehow they racked up about 500 yds of total offense and beat us, believe me, how good the teams are and record have NOTHING to do with the outcome of this game. Athens offense will score some points, Troy's will as well, well see which way the ball bounces. Like I've said before Troy SHOULD win, but Athens could very well pull the upset.
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| 1stngoal
October 20, 2008
12:48:41 PM
Entry #: 2954128
| Just saw Athens play against Farmington. They will not put up many points. There only score was a botched snap deep in Farmington over QB head for TD. They had -22 yards rushing and 110 total offense. I Think Troy can play D as good as Farmington. QB for Athens is a D+ at best.
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| geralldd
October 20, 2008
1:10:30 PM
Entry #: 2954169
| I think its fair to say Troy and Farmington are very comparable as teams talent wise.
I see Farmington won that game 28-7
I would like to think the rivalry aspect of the Athens/Troy game will keep it closer than that score.
We will see
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| geralldd
October 20, 2008
1:14:49 PM
Entry #: 2954180
| Aye I just looked, Athens has been shut out 4 times and scored 7 on accident against Farmington...
You all are right Troy will not lose this game.
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| upandover
October 20, 2008
1:57:02 PM
Entry #: 2954284
| G, you were the last team to make the playoffs before last year. Good for you! Also glad to hear you're not disgruntled. Fortunately, you did not have to play for the troy OC. He likes to put this team in positions they can't handle (like passing the ball more than they should). His own play calling blew it for them last year and it's not helping them this year. Can't put a square peg into a round hole. Troy will dominate on the line of scrimmage both ways. I would be surprised if Troy passed once. Athens is not athletic, big or strong enough. I agree with you on many points about Troy's mediocrity. They don't have a big play threat offensively and their defense has too many holes (no pass rush, no pass protection, poor tackling). This spells one and done.
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| geralldd
October 20, 2008
3:58:26 PM
Entry #: 2954525
| You are correct! Unfortunately we were also one and done that year losing to a superior Eisenhower team,
Also on the unfortunate side, the OC happened to be the freshman coach my freshman year, although we didn't run the wacky spread option offense.
I couldn't agree with you more on him absolutely killing them at times, problem with that offense is it seems poor game management is natural for it.
Troy could win a 1st round game with the right matchup, but otherwise your right, one and done for this years squad.
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| upandover
October 21, 2008
11:21:49 AM
Entry #: 2955594
| G, I'm glad we're seeing the same thing. I like the comment about poor game management. It appears they don't understand how to use their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.
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| pitafin
October 22, 2008
12:46:50 AM
Entry #: 2956638
| Don't even get me on my Losey rant (OC for Troy). I could go on and on all day. Some plays he looks like an absolute football genius. Other plays, and unfortunately for Troy it happens in key moments, I’m not too sure why they allow him to keep calling. This Friday it shouldn’t be a problem as I agree with you fellows about the outcome.
BTW I read this forum often but just now decided to start posting because I felt so moved by the talk of my dear old friend Losey. I’m a Troy alum (03-06)
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| upandover
October 22, 2008
12:09:38 PM
Entry #: 2957035
| Pitifan,
You misspelled his name. You forgot the u between the o and s. ha ha. His problem is he forgets about his personel and tries to run plays that are not his players strengths. For example, the QB is a bright, athletic kid, but he doesn't have the skill set to run this offense. It's a very demanding offense for the QB and a team will only get a kid (i.e Hamilton) once every so many years who has the skillset to perform in this O. It reminds me too much of what U of M is doing with their personnel. Trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The funny part is, they would be more successful in a power I. They can still run the veer out of it (ask Adams) but it allows them to use more of their strengths. The part I like most is 2nd and 5 and he tries these ineffective pass plays and puts them at 3 and 5 or worse. I see it too many times. I believe in the theory that 4 things happen with the pass and 3 aren't good. Also, they have over 1700 total rushing yards thus far this season and he still throws it 31 times. I understand you can't run the ball effectively every play, but that's no reason to give up on it. Thanks for letting be vent!
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| pitafin
October 22, 2008
12:45:27 PM
Entry #: 2957097
| Up,
You forgot to finish. He gets them in the 3rd and 5 situation and then calls a play that is designed for a 1 yard gain. Too many times that happens when they need big plays and he calls small ones. I think you and I should take over the play calling for Troy. Get them realizing their potential or at least taking advantage of their strengths.
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| upandover
October 22, 2008
1:32:43 PM
Entry #: 2957165
| very frustrating indeed.
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| OAAscouts
October 22, 2008
2:48:38 PM
Entry #: 2957283
| Ouch... you guys are killin' me. Of course, it's making good sense. I'm not sure how old the OC is but young coaches, as a rule, have much to learn. Once they do find a groove (pegs in holes) though things generally seem to complement one another. Coach Patritto at Adams and Coach Bell at Lake Orion are a prime example. It seems Coach Dunlap (Ferndale) and Coach Loria (Lahser) have found a nice groove too.
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| upandover
October 22, 2008
3:55:19 PM
Entry #: 2957385
| 'scout, He's old enough to know better. This is his 9th season as the OC.
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| OAAscouts
October 22, 2008
4:29:42 PM
Entry #: 2957446
| It's all a learning process but 9 years = veteran and he should see a larger picture. Good luck!
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| strongwork
October 23, 2008
7:33:35 AM
Entry #: 2958039
| I have never posted before but feel compelled to. It is appalling to me that people come on here and criticize people like this. I am willing to bet these are disgruntled players criticizing a coach (OC Troy High) who they probably didn't have the guts to speak to face to face. If you have any knowledge of THS football you know he has not been OC 9 years, you also know the head coach limits players he is allowed to utilize. If any of you had the guts to actually sit down and speak to any coach face to face instead of hiding behind posts you make actually learn something. Good luck to all the teams and all the coaches who give so much time to all the programs.
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| justthefacts
October 23, 2008
7:54:39 AM
Entry #: 2958054
| strongwork I couldn't agree more..typical forum with cowards hiding behind screen names (I would venture not players, but adults)...to add as I've checked around...he's only been OC for 5 yrs at THS and has been one of the reasons for THS football making it back to playoffs...during semifinal game in '07 'D' gave up over 500yds (ouch! doesn't sound like offense was problem as they scored 35)...as you put it if they are familiar with the program they would know the emphasis at THS is 'D' ...and for the '06 grad, are you aware your 'D' gave up 252 pts that year, the most in the history of THS!
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| upandover
October 23, 2008
1:12:04 PM
Entry #: 2958499
| nice to see you join the forum coach! I'm just callin em how i see em. and i've seen plenty to know what i'm saying. btw, my sentiments are popular among the fan base. How successful has that bubble pass been this year? i'm sorry to bruise your ego. Let's be honest here, the offense doesn't have the skill set to run this offense this year. last year it fell into your lap. it was a perfect fit. This year? No. The funny part is that all of these plays can be run out of any formation. Why do you insist on plugging a square peg into a round hole? Stubborness will get you nowhere. Assess, adapt, execute. It's not that complicated. no coach wants to hear from a fan about what he is doing. hence, why look at these posts? Good luck this week.
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| geralldd
October 23, 2008
1:54:01 PM
Entry #: 2958562
| A) I personally am not disgruntled whatsoever toward Troy High School and their Athletics in any way, shape or form. I always have and always will have pride and be supportive of the school as a whole.
B) I have plenty of knowledge, first hand nonetheless, on TC football, I understand how Griff coaches and how the program is run.
C) The offense WAS in fact the problem that semifinal game, they were ahead and had the game IN HAND. All they had to do was keep the ball on the ground during the final 6 minutes of the game and keep the clock running. The OC got cute, called a 3rd down throwback screen with about the 3 minutes left around midfield (after a 2nd down incompletion to stop the clock) gotpicked, we know the rest of the story
D) When you have a 4th quarter lead with one of the best kickers/punters in the state and the ball around midfield, you keep the ball on the ground on 2nd and 3rd, keep the clock running and if you get a 1st down that’s a bonus, games probably over, if not you punt and at WORST you make the other team go 80 yards with between 1 & 2 minutes left in the game. I would have liked Troy’s chances in that scenario much much better than the one we saw
E) He is without a doubt one of the reasons they are back as a playoff caliber team, he had lots of offensive talent last year and helped it produce.He does not have as much this season, but at times the offense still looks good. He is also without a doubt one of the reasons the defenese gives up more points. That is naturally a byproduct of the offense as it gives the other teams more offensive possessions to work with (meaning more likely to score) and they put the defense in a lot of tough spots giving the other team a short field to work with.
F) Emphasis has always been ‘D’, You can put a gameplan in to stop teams, but if you don’t have the players to execute that scheme you are hurting. Unfortunately for Troy they have gone through that the last 8-10 years. Its nice to see them respectable again with the great amount of talent in the area.
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| footballer
October 23, 2008
2:28:33 PM
Entry #: 2958632
| G: You call yourself a Troy fan and then rip quality coaches who have forgotten more football than you will ever know, how curious! I was at the Semi-Final game and what a observed was two quality teams going at it. Mistakes in execution were made by both teams (offensively and defensively) which impacted the game. You said you played at Troy (or maybe it was watched), somehow you missed the one team concept. Taking shots at coaches is not very cool, it does however speak to the character of the author.
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| geralldd
October 23, 2008
3:45:31 PM
Entry #: 2958757
| Please point out to me exactly where I "ripped" a coach, I think I missed it.
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| MoE
October 23, 2008
4:01:53 PM
Entry #: 2958785
| This discussion is playing out the same way as it did last week with regards to Stoney Creek's coach. Can everyone just stop with all the 'my team/coach/player' is better than yours?!?!?!? We all have pride. We all have hormones. We all make mistakes. We all want to win...and we all want to be first. To blame a coach as being incapable of leading a (high school) team to victory, be it through good/bad defense or good/bad offense BUT you - yourself have all the right answers on how to get the job done right - then take the giant step out of your cubicle or office and change your profession and become a (high school) coach! If you are a parent, would your kid who plays on a (non winning) team want you to be expressing your negative comments on here? If you are an alum (be it 5 years ago or last year) are you trying to re-live your high school youth and feel like a hero? Come on guys, please can we use this forum as a positive avenue and means of getting excited for Friday nights??? For most, tomorrow is the last hurrah...does it help with throwing negative blows at people who have put many, many hours of their time in for these (high school) athletes...while we take a few minutes to blog and a couple hours on Friday nights, sit on our butts to watch...and have a lot to say....
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| Joeboxer
October 23, 2008
9:14:19 PM
Entry #: 2959146
| MoE, I couldn't have said it better myself. There's a lot of emotion being posted on here, but we have a tendency to forget that this is afterall - High School football. I'm not saying that it's less relavent than college or the NFL, but you're right, we get caught up in what seems to be a passion for the game and forget that we're not the ones playing on the field and we are also not the ones coaching the kids. And as for sitting on a bench for a few hours to watch a game, not sure about you, but my rear end sure has been getting cold these past couple weeks! With that, I hope everyone enjoys tomorrow night's last regular season game. I hear it's suposed to rain (
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| upandover
October 23, 2008
10:30:22 PM
Entry #: 2959221
| i'm cool with it!
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| pitafin
October 23, 2008
11:25:14 PM
Entry #: 2959278
| To clear things up...
Its hard to discuss things electronically on a forum. There are misunderstandings because with lack of vocal emotion, readers are left to guess what the writers 'tone' is.
I was not trying to send the vibe of 'ripping' on the coach. I said he was a good old friend and I meant it. I had him as a teacher in middle school and he was also my wrestling coach. He knows his stuff and I agree, he is part of the reason they are back to the playoff stage. Switching from the old power I that Troy historically ran to the new spread/split back which they brought in last year and continued this year has been a giant leap forward. And lets face it, every spectator (especially those who have played) thinks they know better and gets a little flustered when things don't go the way they are planned. I'm guilty of that and more because I am a TC grad. I'm sorry to those who thought I was knocking Troy's OC. It was more of a "c'mon guys, lets get it done!" type of thing.
It all boils down to fact that kids graduate every year and you have an entire different squad. There is no big recruiting or signing players to the team so its all based off the schools talent pool. With that being said, it makes the coaches job 10X tougher. I appreciated everything prep coaches do and respect them for their work. Good luck to everyone tomorrow and continued success to those in the playoffs!
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| justthefacts
October 24, 2008
7:37:04 AM
Entry #: 2959425
| geralld, you say you know how the program is run, are you a coach? or do you know this from being in the stands on Friday night? I think you are an outsider looking in like the rest of us...semifinal game saw TC O put up 35 pts...I saw the game and saw how stevenson went down the field at will (did you see Troy go down the field and score with just 5 or so min left only to see stevenson go the distance (80yds) in one play following?...I would have done the same thing which is try and score again as 'D' couldn't stop stevenson...you are a typical arm chair qb like many on the forum who can't get over your 'gripes' (non playing time, living through a brother (muffin), parent, etc)...let me know if you want to meet I'm sure you'd impress me with your intellegence
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| CoachLosey
October 24, 2008
8:21:30 AM
Entry #: 2959467
| Good Morning Geralld, UpandOver, Pitifan, Justthefacts,
This is Duane Losey, OC at THS.
Wow, some pretty outrageous content. If you are interested in discussing football with me I can be reached by contacting the system administrator for this site (you have my permission to give these individuals my email address) or you can go to the Troy School District Website (www.troy.k12.mi.us) and navigate to Smith Middle School where my email address and I believe my phone # are available. I'm looking forward to hearing from you...jb, rp
Coach Losey
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| OAAscouts
October 24, 2008
12:23:50 PM
Entry #: 2959827
| Thanks for stopping by Coach Losey, welcome to the site. Hopefully some constructive conversation will clear things up with the Troy faithful. There you have it fellas, Coach is available to discuss this subject.
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| geralldd
October 24, 2008
12:58:37 PM
Entry #: 2959879
| Good Afternoon Coach Losey!!!
Good Luck tonight, Go get those dreaded Red Hawks.
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| fbwonk
November 16, 2008
7:31:03 PM
Entry #: 2990816
| So, did anyone ever contact the coach?
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| upandover
November 17, 2008
10:35:32 AM
Entry #: 2991397
| What's the point? I think the season outcome says a lot.
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| CoachLosey
November 25, 2008
8:58:08 AM
Entry #: 3000670
| Only had one contact concerning the rhetoric above and it was from a coach interested in discussing the THS 'O' in the offseason with the staff.
Upandover, I agree, the season speaks for itself! Thanks for the compliment!
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