The following players will clear their exemptions from 2006 (played 06, 07, 08) and can play for anyone they wish next year.
Gary Tiberi - VFW Pete Iannelli - VFW Dan Howard - Village Pub Mark Costello - Village Pub Ricky Keenan - Crowe Bar
Brian Stevens
November 3, 2008 2:51:19 PM
Entry #: 2972548
excellent! Now how about people who don't want to play on their current teams anymore making themselves known so we can start getting the hot stove going!
gopher
November 3, 2008 3:01:02 PM
Entry #: 2972566
Stevens....whats your status next year? I hear there might be some extra playing time for you next year
demonti
November 3, 2008 3:21:25 PM
Entry #: 2972604
im officially filing for free agency as of rite now
bryan0316
November 3, 2008 3:26:01 PM
Entry #: 2972612
dad we will take you
ARTIEKARATE
November 3, 2008 3:32:16 PM
Entry #: 2972627
Scott Boras called and GTIZZLE and PLAYA have signed long term deals.
Brian Stevens
November 3, 2008 3:44:17 PM
Entry #: 2972651
Ha! I am waiting to hear what kind of contract offer I get from Bob and #77.
Hinske
November 3, 2008 3:49:39 PM
Entry #: 2972670
IF HINSKE CANT GET HIS RELEASE OUT OF A STUPID EXEMPTION RULE I AM AFFRAID THERE WILL BE NO HINSKE IN COVENTRY SUNDAY MORNING SOFTBALL.
ARTIEKARATE
November 3, 2008 3:58:04 PM
Entry #: 2972693
Stevens LB4LB has once again retired.
Brian Stevens
November 3, 2008 4:10:09 PM
Entry #: 2972723
Damn! He was the only guy in the league willing to overpay for me.
ant77
November 3, 2008 4:18:16 PM
Entry #: 2972748
Add two more teams to the league so i can get my team. And allow Hinske to come with me.
Lags
November 3, 2008 4:18:35 PM
Entry #: 2972749
filed today....
Hinske
November 3, 2008 4:20:47 PM
Entry #: 2972757
ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTICA!
gopher
November 3, 2008 5:04:32 PM
Entry #: 2972874
Hinske you are funny.....Is Ant playing the role of Boris for you?
ant77
November 3, 2008 5:11:25 PM
Entry #: 2972885
Any chances of the league expanding or teams dropping out? I will build a dynasty around Hinske, the Keenan brothers and one of the leagues most under-rated outfielders Ben Sedam.
hodde
November 3, 2008 5:42:11 PM
Entry #: 2972936
dont even try it ant77 they are all mine. hinske wanna come over for supper having country style pork ribs bring ricky too
Smitty
November 3, 2008 5:58:09 PM
Entry #: 2972960
upon further review, howard only played 14 games in 2007 which by our laws doesn't count as a year of exempt status. again, by our laws, he owes one more year to the pub and should have been marked exempt*07 this year instead of *06
ant77
November 3, 2008 6:47:36 PM
Entry #: 2973037
I know how to get to Hinske and its not with food its through his girl. She would love to see him play for me, Even if she doesn't ill buy her approval.
Uncle Mertog
November 3, 2008 10:12:02 PM
Entry #: 2973361
Better check again Smitty, Costello still owes one more year to the Pub as well, he only played 14 games for them this year, he has one more year of exempt status as well. So both Howard and Costello are not free agents.
Smitty
November 4, 2008 1:15:43 AM
Entry #: 2973566
Costello is a free agent. The Pub won two games this year by forfeit from A-plus. This counts as two games played for every player on the Pub roster. It's been that way since before I was statistician. While Costello's games played says 14 you add two for the forfeits and he gets 16.
I thought that was the case for Howard, but I was asked to double check and I was wrong. The Pub didn't win any games by forfeit in 2007. He only played 14 games.
bryan0316
November 4, 2008 5:44:37 AM
Entry #: 2973607
costello moved anyway, and if howard leaves. I'm going to kill myself
Hinske
November 4, 2008 8:06:59 AM
Entry #: 2973675
I just want out of my current sitiuation. I think a three year exempt rule is way to long. Things change and circumstances change peoples opinions and views.
gopher
November 4, 2008 8:58:42 AM
Entry #: 2973736
This is a quote that came to my from a "Mad Emailer"
And I quote "3years is too long of a rule. I came to a team that I didnt know anyone and in blind faith came to play every day. I think there should be a two year exemption rule. This will allow teams to get better and establish themselves in the league. The better a team plays the more you will have guys moving back and forth amongset teams and also show loyalty to the league. I don't think I should be allowed to go to VFW or any of the other top powers at be. But i definatley should be able to go to a team that finished lower than we did and finish my final year of exemption. 2 years same team ....Final year of exemption same team or a lower seeded team. Thats my two cents."
bryan0316
November 4, 2008 10:00:46 AM
Entry #: 2973840
as the leader of a shitty ass team, I would love to get some established players in this league.
Mac
November 4, 2008 10:16:19 AM
Entry #: 2973876
Where is everyone going to if they leave there regular teams?? if theres no more harris then ill be going somewhere else, guess we wont knnow about that until another few months
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 10:23:26 AM
Entry #: 2973892
Initially I hated the exemption rule because I felt it was in direct opposition to the goal of the league which was to increase competition throughout the league. However when I look at the exemption it in fact does just that.
The whole reasoning behind the exemption rule is to BALANCE out competition and keep teams from being able to create a team that would just destroy everyone. Certain teams and certain people just know guys who play everywhere and other teams really don't have that luxury. The exemption rule keeps the league pretty balanced. In my opinion it has worked very well as evidencd by the last couple of years.
I personally think three years is good the way it is, because it keeps certain teams from using it to their advantage. Lets just say that I had two exmempts this year but I had four guys I wanted to get on my team....I put two on my roster and send two over to Hodde. Hodde puts them on his roster for a year and they fullfill their obligation and next year they jump ship and come over to my team. This is exactly what would happen if we didn't have a 3 year exempt rule. No one is going to play for a team for 3 years unless they really want in this league.
Now as far as the exempt rule goes as it applies to people whom are unhappy with their team. The rule should clearly reflect that if an exempt player wishes to leave his team for any reason he will have the option to do so providing the team has no objection to his leaving. If the team refuses to let him out of his contract said player must fullfill his obligation to that team or sit out.
If the manager has no objection to the player leaving, the exempt player may play for only one of the last four teams, starting from 16, 15, 14, 13 in that order. Thus Firefighters have the first option to pick him up, followed by..A+ Motgage, Wyld Stallyns and Eaton.
This is provided that those teams have exemptions spots available to add these players and those teams are willing to accept the players. This would make those teams instantly better and foster competition throughout the league.
This could be done in one of several ways....by lottery, put all those players into a pool and have the bottom 4 teams draw names, who they get is who they get. The second is that the league could assign said players to each team by their order in the standings, or teams could just acquire a list of available players and let them work it out.
However, if no one picks them up they have the option of returning to their former teams (providing the team wants them back) or they would have to sit out. Hoever if they were to return the following year they would have to fullfill their contractual obligation to their orignal team.
However, once an exempt player moves from their original team to a new team they would have to give that team 3 years and start their exempt status over again.
It presents the player with an option of simply fullfilling his contract with his original team and getting it over with so to speak, or giving up three more years and playing for a team that could really use him. It keeps balance in the league and keeps shady deals from being formed. It is what is best for the league overall.
Jeffc_28
November 4, 2008 10:36:26 AM
Entry #: 2973920
What about trades, could you trade an unhappy player/players for exemptions??? They are under a contract!
Hinske
November 4, 2008 10:40:12 AM
Entry #: 2973935
To make someone repeat the three years is absolutly absurd. They still have filled they're obligation to the league. Managers will obviously appose a player from leaving their team. At least allow the player to beable to choose a team out of the top 8 to go to. Sticking a player on a team that he doesnt know anyone on is going to creat the same mess.
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 11:22:38 AM
Entry #: 2974041
Hinske,
The top 8? No way in hell is that going to happen. That completely defeats the entire point of the rule. The player has his choice between the bottom 4, that preserves the integrity of the league and the rule. Allowing players to go to one of the top 8 is precisely why the rule is in place...NOT TO ALLOW that.
Actually as it stands now the exempt player HAS to fulfill his obligation to the team PERIOD. There are no exceptions in place at this point. It is either the exempt player plays for that team or is not playing at all. There are no exceptions at this point.
Jeff as for trades?? I can't see a valid reason for a trade. If a team signed a certain exempt player, why would they trade him? Teams usually get guys they know and play with in other leagues and usually because they all get along. Why would you go out and get a guy that you wanted to trade? Essentially what it comes down to is this....Choose your team wisely!
Obviously over time personality conflicts take place, this I understand, but if trades were allowed it could be maniupulated just like any other rule. Certain teams will always try to find ways to "skirt" the rules and wind up loading up. Once again I would have no problem with trades provided they were done with a 2/3 vote at a meeting and followed stringent guidelines.
gopher
November 4, 2008 11:26:09 AM
Entry #: 2974051
As Hinske Manger i believe my redneck friend is saying a team out of the the top eight meaning the bottom 8 teams
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 11:28:46 AM
Entry #: 2974059
Ant...I also hate to point this out to you bud, but IF you were able to put a team in the league, a first year team IS NOT ALLOWED to have any exempts. So that shoots down the notion of forming a dynasty off the rip. Sorry.
What it comes down to is that it will take a few years to put in a VERY good team. You have to work at it over the years.
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 11:39:02 AM
Entry #: 2974082
Gopher just to give you an example of why that can't happen, On the Roch's this year just barely made the playoffs. One more loss we could have been the 9th place team or possibly 10th. Not that any of those guys would want to come to Roch's but let's say for the sake of argument I was allowed to grab those exempt players for next year??? Not exactly equitable to the rest of the league now is it?
The bottom four need help, and those exempt players HAVE three viable options.
1. Stay with the team they are on now and grind out the final year on their contract and then play anywhere they want the following year.
2. Play for one of the bottom four teams and help them get better, maybe help them find talent and get them going.
3. Don't play at all and just play in their other leagues.
It realy wouldn't be fair to guys who ACTUALLY sit out a season in their other leagues to play here in Coventry. It isn't fair to other exempt players who fulfill their obligations to their repective teams. Most importantly certain teams will manipulate any rule they can in order to create a dynasty. It would just get extremely ridiculous.
Once again I point out as it is now there are no options for that player. I don't necessarily agree that a player shouldn't be given any options at all, but there is far too many problems related to this issues and we cannot allow the league to be manipulated by making the rules to easy for certain people to screw with.
Hinske
November 4, 2008 12:02:26 PM
Entry #: 2974150
I know my political friend you see red and write 8 page essays. But i was sayin outside of the top eight meaning bottom eight. As an exempt player who has filled 2 years of my contract. Why should i be held to the third if the manager of the team has not held up his end. If it is a contract that you refer to then a contract signed on false pretences to me should be null and void. If you went to work expecting to get a 2% raise annually and the boss came and said hey this year your only getting 1/2% thats a breach of contract. I know i know i cant spell but stay with me. What defines this so called contract. If i dont play in any other league this year then technically i am not an exempt player. This league is a town rec league and what defines the peramitter of being able to play. Is it residency, tax dollars, or can just anyone play. Technically i am a tax payer of The town of coventry. I own a business and the property that it stands on so that in sense makes me just as big a part of the town as anyone else. So to declair me exempt and put stipulations on me because my skill set is greater than say gopher,well thats not my fault he eats cheesburgers and drinks way to many beers.
I understand your bitch on the matter and anyone elses but i think the exempt rule is a little over the top. Im not jumping ship after my first year and i gave my team what i think was above and beyond my so called exempt contract. Only to be put in a very uncomfortable situation that i didnt ask to be in.
Your exempt rule doenst really help the bottom four teams as it stands. If they dont know anyone who plays at a high level letting them have exempt players is like giving a kid with down syndrom a paint brush and asking them to paint the mona lisa. And forcing players who are not happy with their current situation to play for a team they do not know is in no way going to help either party.
So your exemption rule just protects the rest of the league from artie and noone else.
Brian Stevens
November 4, 2008 12:19:09 PM
Entry #: 2974191
Shit- you really can spell. I didn't even want to attempt to read that when I saw how long it was but it actually made sense.
ARTIEKARATE
November 4, 2008 12:24:49 PM
Entry #: 2974209
Hinske the league has been like this for over 30 years . Dione didnt trick you into playing did he ? We are opening a huge can of worms here . If you put one loop hole in the rule why not 2 or 3. Why not change the whole rule ? I even disagree that a exempt who wants to leave and his coach will let him leave , should be able to. Part of choosing a exempt should be how they fit in . Stay the extra year and move on if its still that bad .
Hinske
November 4, 2008 12:29:24 PM
Entry #: 2974217
AHHH the main reason the rule is in place has spoken. If i have done my research right the league had to make substantial adjustments to the rules regarding exempt players because of an anonymus letter written along with the way you yourself conducted your team there artie. So your two cents to me is irrelevant on the matter.
ARTIEKARATE
November 4, 2008 12:33:45 PM
Entry #: 2974228
This rule was in place long before i was in the league my young jedi. Im not the only team that adds a quality player from outside the league evry year .
demonti
November 4, 2008 12:36:22 PM
Entry #: 2974233
wow hinske, you cant spell doesnt but you can spell irrelevant. i agree with you hinske, if your noy happy and your coach chooses to release you you should be able to go. i also am taking bribes and offers on a contract for next season, all offers will be considered.
Hinske
November 4, 2008 12:37:24 PM
Entry #: 2974237
Also having you commenting on a scenerio that doesnt directly affect u isnt practical to the leagues success. Either way in your situation the fat get fatter,,,,i mean the rich get richer. Unless you have a couple of guys that just dont voice their opinion of playing for you and want to leave then it doesnt affect what you have going. Why wouldnt you be apposed to anything that would allow latteral movement below the top powers. You have a direct access to the top players around the state. If you piss anyone off which is common practice for your teams you can just plug in another so called super star and move on.
Littleguy
November 4, 2008 12:38:39 PM
Entry #: 2974244
I fulfilled my obligation but still nobody wants me! Grrr then people wonder why I become the Dimented Muppet!
gopher
November 4, 2008 12:42:30 PM
Entry #: 2974258
Mert,
I have not been in this league long and I have a long way to go before I understand all these rules, so bare with me please...
But is there a chance that over the winter months that the newly elected members of our board of governors could look into the current "BYLAWS" and see if there is a way to adjust the rules and also protect the integrity of the league and also help some of the players that this might affect now and in the next year to come so that we can continue to excel to one of, if not the best league to play in? We are now in a position that we really aren’t just a Sunday Morning league any more. We have the right people in place …an abundant amount of great players and a league that wants to grow now and further on. I hear talk all over the state about how far The Baxter’s, members & players of Coventry softball have brought this league from nothing to a league that can compete with the best of them and for us just to be a step behind is something I think Ian and his row of counsel isn't ready to just let happen.
I mean it is like any sport out there....With out the players there really isn't a team
Just my thoughts out loud
ARTIEKARATE
November 4, 2008 12:52:57 PM
Entry #: 2974278
Gopher every year we reveiw and vote on the bylaws.
Hinske
November 4, 2008 12:58:30 PM
Entry #: 2974294
Aw mikey d come on now give me a break everyone knows that us wicked smart kids have trouble with the easy stuff.
On a side note hey Mert, On the Roch's now that was a new team but you have exempts on your team. Im just curious how that played out. Village pub is the orginal and there still there. So what this shows me is that there are instances that are allowed and others that arnt seems a little fishy to me.
ARTIEKARATE
November 4, 2008 12:59:31 PM
Entry #: 2974295
41 42 43 cmon slow day at work we can get too 80 by 2pm
ARTIEKARATE
November 4, 2008 1:03:57 PM
Entry #: 2974310
Yes that is true young jedi . OTR got more contracts than the PUB and was allowed to split and form their own team. Seniority went to the PUB , exempts went to OTR.
Hinske
November 4, 2008 1:05:36 PM
Entry #: 2974316
Sounds like Uncle mert mert got the better end of the deal. How convienent.
Brian Stevens
November 4, 2008 1:14:14 PM
Entry #: 2974342
election day...i bet a lot of people are sitting at their computers rather than going out and voting. We haven't heard from Knight and Goodwin because they are out canvassing for Obama still.
Mac
November 4, 2008 1:33:16 PM
Entry #: 2974390
this is my veiw on this free agent situation....
now mert makes the points by the book. and hinske has some points of his own, which does make sense.
i know there are a bunch of people around the league who want off of there team but still wanna play in this league. whether it b for playing time issues, not seeing eye to eye with the coach or any other various reason.
but the problem comes up this way. and hinske im gonna use u as an example cuz you are the main guy voicing his opinions, now let it be known it does not bother me if they release u or not, if they let u go im sure your agent will b contacted by many teams. but the rules of the league state you have to serve the exemption and the rest of the league has had to for 30 years like artie said. but this is the reasoning i think itd b hard for u to get out....
ok say it comes to a vote and everyone agrees, thats fine. but that then causes a ripple affect because, im sure u will want to play with ricky, jay d, tommy k i could b wrong but im assuming this is the case cuz u play with them in nk. so now i believe ricky, jay, demonti and tommy are free agents and you and cote are the 2 exempts left on the crowe roster. so now say if the league allows you to go, say u go to jokes well good chance those 3 follow u to lets say jokes. now cote is left on the crowe and 4 of the best players on the team just left, do u think he is gonna wanna stay without you guys? this is were the problem lies. its taking the best players from a playoff team and inserting them onto another team. its one thing if everyone was free but then cote will want to b released. and what will ensue is madness and more of a headache of a meeting than ever b4. not to mention a solid playoff team (crowe) drops off the playoff map because there exempts got to leave early.
and honestly hinske i completely see where your coming from with wanting to leave and would b willing to just not play up here anymore but is there possibly another way around it?? i mean if you have the majority of the team in agreement about the problems adn pitfalls of why you want off the team, the same thing could possibly done as it was last year with mert and the pub. if the manager and players do not see eye to eye, last i checked there is something that could b done about that.
i say good luck to all the free agents...
Mac
November 4, 2008 1:46:08 PM
Entry #: 2974421
oh ya and i just went to vote. i didnt know who to vote for i didnt see artie or smitty's name on the ballot.
isnt today the day we vote for manager of the year? hahaha
Hinske
November 4, 2008 1:59:03 PM
Entry #: 2974459
The response to that mac would be this.
Say ricky, jd, and tommy leave that has nothing to do with me wanting to leave it would have everything to do with the current situation. So bang they go ahead and walk away which they are free to do i am still stuck playing out the year as cote would be with the same team. So whether i get released from my team or they walk away either way the crowe goes from a playoff team to a bottom feeder.
Your other option is interesting. What you are affraid of happening by releasing exempt players is going to happen if i take over with a majority of contracts. What you guys would propose to do is split the team and devide it into two. One team gets to pick its home field (awsome) and the other team gets the studs. how is that any different than me getting my release of exemption. Mertog split the village pub and left them to be a bottom feeder while his team went on to be a play off contender in his first year. Its all converts back to the status as a team as a whole
I know Ian hasent commented on this but he has a player who is exempt on his roster that he deosnt want to play. So is he allowed to release the player and the player can go else where or is it fair to the player that ian wont play him if he shows. To me it looks like a double standard and precedent has been set in the past. Mert was able to rip a team in half. and if a coach wants a player off he can say go but if the player wants off he is stuck.
I think the 30 year by laws needs to be looked at and asessed and brought up to date. Look thirty years ago rob raymond was starring in porno's now that just isnt feesable. Things evolve over time just look at gopher's waist line. Bottom line either everyone is stuck or things can be changed on case by case basis. Whether i get out of my exemption or have a rebellion your still ripping apart a team and making it weaker. To me thats not the players problem but the coaches inability to manage and run a squad.
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 2:02:29 PM
Entry #: 2974468
Hinske, as Tupac Shakur once said: “I ain’t mad at cha”…I’m definitely not seeing red! You’re my boy, and I merely am assuming the role of “Devil’s Advocate”. As such I simply point out the following to you.
#1. You stated the following: “ it is a contract that you refer to then a contract signed on false pretences to me should be null and void. If you went to work expecting to get a 2% raise annually and the boss came and said hey this year your only getting 1/2% thats a breach of contract.” However: You are trying to incorporate some sort of legal argument into this and there is definitively no legal argument to be made. The only concern of the league is that you did in fact sign a contract under the premise of playing for the team that you did in fact sign with as an exempted player, knowing that by doing so you would be under exempt status for 3 years. Whatever arrangements that were made or whatever special compensations that were promised to you by that team are in no shape, way, or form a concern of the league. That is an issue you must take up with the manager of that team and even then you have absolutely no legal recourse under “Parole Evidence” rules of contract. “The Parole Evidence Rule holds that where an agreement has been reduced to writing and is intended to be the final and complete expression of the agreement between the parties, any evidence of earlier oral or written agreements or any contemporaneous oral agreements are not admissible in a court of law to vary, add to, or contradict the terms of the written agreement.” Simply put, unless you have some sort of ACTUAL written agreement that states that you will be given A B and C in return for your services on the softball field you are screwed! Any verbal agreement is not admissible. As I said earlier…choose your team wisely! Besides would you really want to walk into a court room a say: “Your honor this man agreed to give me free oil for one year if I played softball for his Sunday Morning Recreation League”? You would be laughed out of the court room if not actually charged with filing a nuisance suit! So let’s get back to reality!
#2. You raised a second issue when you stated: “ This league is a town rec league and what defines the peramitter of being able to play. Is it residency, tax dollars, or can just anyone play”
There is no residency requirement to play in this league. This issue was raised in the past and it was determined that if there were a residency rule there would not be enough teams to even have a league as is the case with any other softball league, so we are not unique in that area. I am only aware of one league that has a residency requirement and it is about to fold since it cannot get enough teams. It had 5 teams in its heyday. Like you, I also pay taxes in the town since I own property in it as well as my family owning a business in it for nearly 100 years now. This is the case with a lot of people, so there is no unique issue here either. Once again this has nothing to do with a contract that you signed being voided simply because you live in the town.
#3. Hinske what actually happened was that I retained all the contracts from the previous year, the Pub only had 4 guys from the original team. All the players that played for the pub were willing to stay with the Pub. The Pub didn’t want them. However the rule states that whoever retained the majority of contracts would prevail. In addition he didn’t have enough contracts to fulfill his obligation of even getting a team to stay in the league. So, in essence I could have taken the seniority of the Pub and the exemptions and the field choice and all other rights that the pub had earned over the years and they would have had to petition the league to come back as a brand new team without exemptions and dead last in seniority. I was not looking to screw the Pub and wanted the split to be as amiable as possible, thus I let them retain seniority and field choice but wasn’t going to give up the exemptions that I earned. Nothing shady about it, it was presented to the league and many people thought that I got shafted in a sense…and to a degree so did I.
Once again this argument has no bearing on your situation whatsoever!
Brian Stevens
November 4, 2008 2:08:03 PM
Entry #: 2974483
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
Littleguy
November 4, 2008 2:17:52 PM
Entry #: 2974500
Jesus Christ people can we worry about this weekends matchups first before we start talking about who wants to go to what team! PLAY BALL!
Hinske
November 4, 2008 2:20:19 PM
Entry #: 2974506
First and foremost this contract for exemption i wasnt aware i signed until last winter when i asked ricky what we were doing for the following summer. So when i asked what the 07 meant by my name i was told that if i wanted to play in this league i was stuck on the same team for the next three years fine. I would have never agreed to play out here if that were the case from the begininnig. Like all good things they come to an end and rather quickley. The team that i was brought into play with is having some seriouse issues that are between us and guys want to leave so now im stuck in the middle of this thing. I am glad that i have played in this league the past two years and was looking to bring some guys with me but after what has developed id advise no one who plays in other leagues to come in and play.
This contract and playing devils advocate is great to do and it puts stuff out there but it holds no water for anyone here. Look the bottom line is you have players who arn't happy wich isnt going to make the league any better. I dont want to jump ship and hook up with a top team i want the option to beable to pick where i can go amongst the bottom 8. If a couple guys leave because i dont want to stay thats not my problem. Thats a team issue.
There was nothing promised to me to play other than the fact that there is a good bunch of guys and we are trying to get better. But hey certain things have gone down that i dont agree with and now im stuck for another year. Im not looking to get into a legal debate i am merely throwing out a term that doesnt really fit what is going on. A contract is an agreement between two parties. Thus in every contract there are stipulations that make the contract void. What you have is a league rule. That says if you play for other leagues and play here you have to stay on the same team for three years. I didnt sign anything and thats for sure. I didnt even know about the exemption till after the fact.
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 2:20:21 PM
Entry #: 2974507
Little Guy…zip your cum catcher, you’re lucky we didn’t duct tape your face shut by now. You’re saying the only reason you are still playing for OTR is because nobody else wanted you and this was your last option? You, do not carry exempt status and never did. You followed the league rules and sat out a year to play for us. That is the whole point of the debate that is going on!
Smitty
November 4, 2008 2:20:25 PM
Entry #: 2974508
hahaha....stevens you just wanted to make a long post but you had nothing to say
hinske please stop saying WE are ripping apart a playoff team when you reference the crowe. WE are not doing anything to the crowe.
lb4lb
November 4, 2008 2:23:12 PM
Entry #: 2974515
dont have time to read all those posts..but..for now..HINSKE! HIKSKE! HINSKE!
Brian Stevens
November 4, 2008 2:23:19 PM
Entry #: 2974516
I didn't have anything to say and I evidently don't type as quickly as the rest of these guys. Appropriate selection though...
Hinske
November 4, 2008 2:24:19 PM
Entry #: 2974517
samantics there little ian however you spell it you probably voted for obahma too
Smitty
November 4, 2008 2:38:15 PM
Entry #: 2974551
let's stick to softball politics.
and the whole basis of your argument is semantics.
for example if you sat out a year of your precious nk league you'd be free to go with your boys
lets face it, if they weren't allegedly leaving you, you'd be all set with the rules
Hinske
November 4, 2008 2:42:17 PM
Entry #: 2974559
Absolutely not i dont want to play for the crowe team whether they want to stay or not. The preciouse nk league holds no value to me and would sit out for a second. If its so preciouse then why is it an issue if i play in the measley nk league. If i batted 200 it wouldnt matter to you guys whether i stayed or left so theres your semantics. The argument could be made in a number of ways if you so choose.
Hinske
November 4, 2008 2:47:00 PM
Entry #: 2974570
and relax our little boy wonder the obahma comment was in reference to knights and jeff c's campagning.
Littleguy
November 4, 2008 2:57:39 PM
Entry #: 2974597
I know Mert just trying to stir up shot that is what I do!
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 3:17:13 PM
Entry #: 2974638
I guess what the issue all boils down to is this: is there really a valid excuse other than just not wanting to play for the same team anymore.
Josh Dionne always puts together very competitive teams and is always working to make his team better within the restraints of the rules set forth by the league. I spoke with Josh not to long ago and he was telling me that he was working with guys on the team to make it even better next year. So why not work with him to make that team even more competitive, because the way it looks with it all this shit going on, there will be serious detrimental effects to Crowe as well as to the league itself.
There has to a be serious reason, other than a simple complaint about batting order or what the case might be that prompts the league to let people out of their contracts.
Hinske
November 4, 2008 3:30:05 PM
Entry #: 2974674
Batting order has nothing to do with why i want out of my exemption rule. I hit where i hit every week. Playing time is not an issue either. The conflict amongst the team is between the team and should stay that way until discussed together. I am throwing out a debate that i feel needs to be looked at seriously this offseason. As you say mert devil's advocate. I would like to have a right to pick where i play because things have changed over the past year that are not to my liking and i dont think it will get reconciled. There are a lot of variables that affect a lot of things. I just don't want this issue to dye because i think it deserves a look at here in the offseason. Especially because what is decided directly affects my personal status in the league.
Mac
November 4, 2008 3:42:18 PM
Entry #: 2974700
good point hinske your right. them leaving has nothing to do with your exemption rule and i apologize. but if the league lets you go, dont u think every other exempt guy would want to leave?? and how can u do it on a case to case basis when whether u bat .100 or .900 its not fair for any of the other guys who had to stay b4. we got booted from the playoffs becasue of this exact reason there was no leeway whatsoever. bob dutilly filled in for me in our johnson league because i broke my forearm. (and became our exempt) he played probably 10 games at most. but even tho we were good enuf and qualified for the playoffs we were kicked out because he was an exempt. and if u want the truth yes he was a help to our sunday morning team but was he batting leader NO, was he a homerun leader NO, he was our first baseman who used a trampoline and bounced all over the place ( kinda like when he catches. he doesnt catch anything ) haha sorry bobby
i dont have a vote as to what goes on at the meeting or anything like that. but if u dont give a shit about your nk league. and i dont know if this would work but im throwing it out there mert and smitty could chime in with more knowledge of the situation. if he quits the nk league does this or does this not make him able to do whatever he wants cuz technically he is not in any other league which there for would allow him to play whereever he wants in coventry. and the same for anyone who plays in other leagues do the rules change then? im unsure.
Hinske
November 4, 2008 3:52:52 PM
Entry #: 2974721
im just affraid by the time im free i'll look like stevens and be past my prime!
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 3:54:39 PM
Entry #: 2974725
Mac....at present there is no escaping the rule. The rule is in place and there is NO other option than for him to fulfill his last year. It has nothing to do with his status for the upcoming year, it has to do with his status when he signed up for the Crowe Bar.
Crowe bar used an exempt to acquire Hinske and if Hinkse left Crowe bar, Crowe bar cannot go an pick up two exempts this year and a third to replace Hinske. So Dionne is literally screwed if Hinske leaves.
When you use an exempt spot, you are in fact using it to get a guy you believe will be there for three years. If he loses Hinske he loses that exempt and can't replace him with another exempt...which is definately not fair to Crowe. So how does Crowe get compensated? Allow them to pick up a third exempt? Can you imagine the bullshit you would be hearing if that ever went down?
There was already talk amongst the managers last week about certain scenarios completely separate from this issue about other exempt players wanting to get out of playing where they are now and I can tell you, NONE of the managers were having any of it. It can be discussed over the off season and I am sure it will...but I can almost guarantee you that it will never happen.
You might get the majority of managers to agree to letting them go play for the bottom four teams but you will never see them allow guys out of an exempt contract to pick their team. They will go absolutely bullshit at the mere thought of it.
ARTIEKARATE
November 4, 2008 3:58:42 PM
Entry #: 2974729
As far as the exempt thing goes what is good for the goose is good for then gander !!! One goes they all go !!Why not Cote ,Holland , Thorton , Derosier ? Shit why not Kirby , Amarosso , Broz ? Why not Espo and Duffy ? Oh shit i didnt mean to say Espo and Duffy . Like i said Big Red this opens up a can of worms . Nate should finish out or not play as well as yourself . It may not be the best thing for you but its gonna spread through league. If its good for 9-16 why is it not good for 1-8. Its a bylaw and i think bylaws need to have a 3/4 vote to be changed.
As far as the Pub/OTR split it sets the the standard for what a team can do if they dont like the coach/sponsor and whether Mert thinks its different from what happened at with the Pub . We wont know beacause you are keeping your team issues to yourself . Which i think is the way to go handle it.
Hinske
November 4, 2008 4:03:37 PM
Entry #: 2974738
I heard artie wrote that letter!
I know its a big can of worms to open. Its no different than if EW, dutilly, considine, keenan, playa, all decide to go to pna. They are free to do so. that would have a huge impact on the league in a negative way in my opinion. Not adding any exempt guys but still gettin 5 of the top players in the league. Artie would be able to retool and compete but could anyone else. No of course not. So letting the exempt guys in their third year move laterally between the bottom 8 teams would promote competition and hold the managers responsible for makeing good decisions. Im competitive and want to play and win. When your helpless in situations as far as decisions made that affect you directly and your time its important. You dont have a pop warner league here you have in my opinion one of the most competitive leagues in the state. So pop warner rules shouldnt apply. I think the case by case basis is whether to allow guys to move around their exemptions by year. Not by actual batting average i was stating that if me personally didnt play the way i do then it wouldnt be such an issue.
Fat Chicks Rule
November 4, 2008 4:04:04 PM
Entry #: 2974739
If any of you "free agents" want to come join an up and comer, A-Plus is always looking for a few good men. We drink better than we play but our play is improving weekly.
Brian Stevens
November 4, 2008 4:08:02 PM
Entry #: 2974746
Sounds like I would be a perfect match for A+ but I don't think I would make much of a difference to the team. My drinking skills are improving as my playing skills decline.
ant77
November 4, 2008 5:10:03 PM
Entry #: 2974832
Ok here is my opinion on it all. Obviously everyone knows i want a team but that has nothing to do with my points. 1. I don't understand why a new team in this league is not allowed any exemptions. (Lets say the harris isn't putting a team in. Do i go to the owner of harris and say i want your spot in sunday morning softball. You don't have to sponsor me i just want your spot. Does this entitle me to their exemptions? if not why? 2. I believe a 3 year exemption is alot to ask. What happens if crowe doesn't have a team anymore what happens to hinske and cote? are they booted from the league? 3. Why wouldn't you only do a one year exemption that would increase the strenght of the league for every team not just the top teams.
Smitty
November 4, 2008 5:20:04 PM
Entry #: 2974846
11. EXEMPTED PLAYERS: New player that may play outside of the league. A. A team that finished 1st through 4th last season may use one (1) exempted player this year. B. A team that finished 5th through 8th last season may use two (2) exempted Player this year. C. Teams that finished 9th through 16th may use three (3) exempted players this Year. D. A team must have seven (7) players from the same team from previous year to be allowed an exempt player. E. Exempt players must commit to the team they decided to play on for at least three (3) years. Exempted players must have plate appearances in half plus one (1/2+1). If 1/2+1 games are not played in one season, it will not be considered a completed year. After three completed years, he may play for another sponsor under currant by-laws. F. An exempt player that plays on a team that their sponsor folds should be able to fulfill their 3 year commitment on a team of the Same standing, if possible. If they cannot find an opening on a team of the same standing, 1st though 4th, 5th through 8th or 9th through 16th, the league will deal with it on an individual basis. G. Teams that were allowed an exempt player or players through 2007 season shall be allowed their exempt player or players for 2008 season.
Rockstar
November 4, 2008 6:00:34 PM
Entry #: 2974905
here is a solution for the problem. throw everyone in the league into a draft and have all the managers in league pick who they want to have on their teams.
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 6:22:25 PM
Entry #: 2974942
Ricky, there are plenty of leagues that do drafts like that, I personally hate that format as I'm sure most managers would. That creates an eve bigger problem. Especially when you have exempted players whom play in other leagues and would cause a ton of forfeits and what not.
Talk about personality conflicts now, if you did that...Holy SHit! Just bad all around.
EW33
November 4, 2008 6:44:15 PM
Entry #: 2974979
Hinske, deal with it. The exemption rule is as much an important part of the league's success as any other rule.
In one of your earlier posts you said that you would not recommend people come play in this league. This comment pisses me off. This league has done an outstanding job getting quality people to come play in it and continues to grow every year. This year Broz came and joined the league as well as Kirby and other great players. To knock on the leauge the way you did in an earlier post is just total bullshit.
The only way I would side with you was if you told me that you were never told about the exemption rule before you signed the contract. Then you would be correct to be pissed but that anger should be focused on the little ewok (dionne) and not on the rest of the league.
I read your posts and quickly realized that you were definitely a wide receiver when you played football.
ant77
November 4, 2008 6:50:06 PM
Entry #: 2974987
Smitty thanks for the post that answers most of my questions but still why no exemptions for a first year team i feel that they need it the most.
lawnman
November 4, 2008 6:58:59 PM
Entry #: 2975002
the rules been in effect at least 40 years because i team finish in the last playoff spot loaded up for the playoffs and won it all no as far as exempt players r concern we never had them until recently it was a bylaw that u had to play just here foe a year then u can play elsewhere also . when whomever joinns a team its usually with friends ,just because the manger or the team sucks doesnt give u the right to quit the team if thats the case play your half plus 1 then quit after whomevers filled there obligation ,im not saying just u hinske im saying every exempt play .im sure others r in the same situation as u r ,but a rules a rule as someone said earlier if we change it for one itll open a whole can of worms fill your obligation then move on
ant77
November 4, 2008 7:22:22 PM
Entry #: 2975035
Alright, so is the harris breaking up? And Ian i am correct in assuming i am first on the list for the new team correct? So if Crowe wants to sponsor my new team also i can keep the exemptions if half of the players play on Crowebar II?
Mac
November 4, 2008 7:24:10 PM
Entry #: 2975041
who said the harris was breaking up?
Hinske
November 4, 2008 7:35:07 PM
Entry #: 2975057
Earnie take your tampon and eat it. My reason for the comment of not wanting to bring people in is due to the fact that they will be stuck to a team for 3 straight years with no wiggle room. incidents arise that are beyond peoples controls. Conflict of interests, personality problems, etc. You bring a guy in and somthing comes up he is stuck in a situation that is not a good one. Sorry bud you gotta stay im out. wont do anyone any good. I do like this league and it does a lot for softball and the guys in it. I think there a lot of guys who do a lot for a lot of people. Its the first league ive been apart of that actually listens to their players. I may have said somthing in haste but its partially true. Its fine for you guys that arnt stuck but, im willing to bet if you were in the same boat we would be having the same conversation.
drafts arnt the answer. And i was right the exemption rule is somthing different then what the 40 year rule book states. I dont think guys should only be exempt for 1 year i think we should all pay our dues. 2 years is plenty. The tough deal with it act i didnt know we were in russia what is Ian's middle name stalin.
All im trying to do is bring a new look into how the exemption isnt always a positive thing.
ant77
November 4, 2008 7:38:08 PM
Entry #: 2975062
Mac maybe i'm wrong but that is what i have been hearing that some guys were goin to delpadre and other teams
Mac
November 4, 2008 7:45:21 PM
Entry #: 2975072
we hear things like this every year once the season is over and sometimes things shake out thta way and other times they dont... no one will really know the deal until march when it means something. if people from the harris are leaving to go to other teams then thats there decision but as a team no one has said yes im leaving to go to del padre or anywhere else. and from what ive been told by del padre himself is that hes not even sure if he wants to coach. so we will see how things pan out in march.
i dont see a reason to break up we are a solid team. who could pick up 2 exempts if we wanted them and add any player that is a free agent. if you ask me that kinda puts us in a power position.
u look at arties team and the pna theres not many places u can upgrade, our team if we used the exempt rule and even if we brought in one free agent that still gives us a better chance than a lower team grabbing 3 exempts.
Rockstar
November 4, 2008 7:57:50 PM
Entry #: 2975090
i say you should change it to 2 years instead of three..
slezak3
November 4, 2008 8:41:25 PM
Entry #: 2975137
Q U I C K everyone check all the ropes in Coventry and make sure Dionne's fat ass isn't swinging from it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 9:19:15 PM
Entry #: 2975172
Ant....Ian isn't leaving his team either, don't know where you heard that...they just didn't play fall ball.
There are no exempt players for a first year teams since there is no way of determining where they would have stood the year before. Essentially top teams get 1 exempt, second tier get two and the lower echalon get three...but since you cannot gauge where a new team stands they have to play a year before getting exempts. You wouldn't simply give a 1st year team three exempts, they may be a team that left another league and were very good, giving them two or three exempts would give them a serious upper hand off the rip. You need to see what they are for a year before giving them anything. Particularly when exempts are so sought after by so many teams, just giving one to a new team off the street just doesn't make any sense.
Uncle Mertog
November 4, 2008 9:36:05 PM
Entry #: 2975184
Never mind Ant, got the wrong guy I was answering a text from someone else and got the two crossed up.
lawnman
November 5, 2008 6:08:58 AM
Entry #: 2975388
geez how bout we just go back to sitting out a year from any other league if u want to play here ,do u think its right to change the exempionrule now ,just a question to see ,im sure somwe would like it but why do we have rules if we cant follow them
Hinske
November 5, 2008 8:00:58 AM
Entry #: 2975452
Rules are meant to be guide lines. I dont think because a rule is in place that it is off limits. IF thats your argument we should still be ASA we were able to change after some seriouse bitching by the league. Im not gonna sit out all three of my leagues to get off of a team. I just want all angles of the rule looked at. If there are ways we can make this work and guys are happy then fine. IF not well i guess im stuck. But like i said before its a big rule that affects a lot of people and it should be looked at. You guys dont see what a big deal it is because your not stuck in a situation.
The reason i have the bitch is because i like this league and enjoy playing in it. I dont want to go through a whole summer and be miserable and i dont know anyone who would want to show up on the field every sunday just get my at bats and go leave.
I guess its easier to ignore the rule then to not be lazy at meetings and actually have to do some work. I think exempt rule needs to be tweeked. Whether its for this year or years to come i think it needs to be adjusted. 3 Years is a long time.
Smitty
November 5, 2008 8:43:56 AM
Entry #: 2975496
where does it say guideline? i must have an old dictionary.
rule /rul/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rool] Show IPA Pronunciation , noun, verb, ruled, rul·ing. –noun 1. a principle or regulation governing conduct, action, procedure, arrangement, etc.: the rules of chess. 2. the code of regulations observed by a religious order or congregation: the Franciscan rule. 3. the customary or normal circumstance, occurrence, manner, practice, quality, etc.: the rule rather than the exception. 4. control, government, or dominion: under the rule of a dictator. 5. tenure or conduct of reign or office: during the rule of George III. 6. a prescribed mathematical method for performing a calculation or solving a problem. 7. ruler (def. 2). 8. (initial capital letter) Astronomy. the constellation Norma. 9. Printing. a thin, type-high strip of metal, for printing a solid or decorative line or lines. 10. Law. a. a formal order or direction made by a court, as for governing the procedure of the court (general rule) or for sending the case before a referee (special rule). b. a legal principle. c. a court order in a particular case.
11. rules, Penology. (formerly) a. a fixed area in the neighborhood of certain prisons within which certain prisoners were allowed to live. b. the freedom of such an area.
12. Obsolete. behavior. –verb (used with object) 13. to control or direct exercise dominating power, authority, or influence over govern: to rule the empire with severity. 14. to decide or declare judicially or authoritatively decree: The judge ruled that he should be exiled. 15. to mark with lines, esp. parallel straight lines, with the aid of a ruler or the like: to rule paper. 16. to mark out or form (a line) by this method: to rule lines on paper. 17. to be superior or preeminent in (a specific field or group) dominate by superiority hold sway over: For centuries, England ruled the seas. –verb (used without object) 18. to exercise dominating power or influence predominate. 19. to exercise authority, dominion, or sovereignty. 20. to make a formal decision or ruling, as on a point at law. 21. to be prevalent or current: Higher prices ruled throughout France. —Verb phrase22. rule out, a. to prove to be unrelated or not for consideration eliminate exclude: to rule out the possibility of error. b. to make impossible or impracticable: The rainstorm ruled out the holiday camping.
—Idioms23. as a rule, generally usually: He arrives at eleven o'clock, as a rule. 24. rule the roost. roost (def. 6).
Hinske
November 5, 2008 9:13:15 AM
Entry #: 2975527
Wow you must be a great teacher. What i mean by guidline which im sure you know is that rules can been ammended. Just as the league voted to change our ASA affiliations to USSSA. Its funny how bringing up points to the league gets you bashed. We are all well aware most of you guys can cut and paiste infomation on the website. What i would like to know Ian is what is your opinion on it not a sarcastic remark or post on the meaning of the word rule. I am well aware that you are great at punctiation, spelling, and grammer. But formulating an opinion on the matter has yet to be done. I have heard that you too have an issue with an exempt player on your team. Whether that was bs or shit sturing by others who knows. But it will also ad insight to everything seeing as you are a coach with a problem not a player with a problem.
Just because i asked for the rule to be looked into doesnt mean i am against the league or anyone in it. I can bust balls with the best of them, but this high and mighty bullshit is not just rubbing me the wrong way but plenty of others. In my opinion the discussion yesterday on the exempt rule was filled with great points from both sides, with a lot of interests from people around the league. I think it deserves a look into it. But that would require some sort of productive meeting now wouldn't it.
Smitty
November 5, 2008 9:42:48 AM
Entry #: 2975578
im not doing any high and mighty shit. im also busting balls. mert has been commenting on the meetings not being as productive as they could be. we still get a lot done, including going over the rules one by one every year.
every year something new comes up and every year we work to fix it. mark and i are currently working on some changes to this rule to propose to the league at some point. that doesn't mean you'll like the changes, but we're talking about it.
it took 4 years to get the exemptions moved up from 0, 1, 2 to the current 1, 2, 3. so don't plan on anything changing quickly.
you and several other exempt players are running into problems that have never occured before. id like to change the rules to accomodate everyone, in every situation, but that will never happen.
if you want to bust balls then bust balls. but be careful with your general comments on things. you learn half the story reading this message board so to start throwing out commentary on things you don't understand is annoying.
Hinske
November 5, 2008 10:04:36 AM
Entry #: 2975618
Thank you thats all i asked. I am well aware of the coventry ways and thats part of our team issue. Of playing both side of the fence. I am not as dumb as some may think and realise that i will probably if not definatley be playing out the remainder of my (contract) with the crowe bar. I dont expect change just because i brought somthing up and i certainly don't expect my proposal to be implemented. I also know there are many things that affect the league that i have no understanding for.
If my bitch can be looked at as in maybe getting the (RULE) ammended for years to come if not well then i got to piss everyone off.
EW33
November 5, 2008 3:47:28 PM
Entry #: 2976157
"So whether i get released from my team or they walk away either way the crowe goes from a playoff team to a bottom feeder."
The real reason for the complaining, request for a rule change, request for a rule review.
"Its no different than if EW, dutilly, considine, keenan, playa, all decide to go to pna."
Let me walk you through this. All of the above (except Pete) served their 3 years. All of the above have earned the right to change teams. You have served 2 years not 3 and you have not earned the right to move. That is a pretty big difference.
"First and foremost this contract for exemption i wasnt aware i signed until last winter when i asked ricky what we were doing for the following summer. So when i asked what the 07 meant by my name i was told that if i wanted to play in this league i was stuck on the same team for the next three years fine. I would have never agreed to play out here if that were the case from the begininnig."
The root cause of the issue. If it in fact happened this way and Dionne really didn't tell you about the rule then it's something that I think the league should look into. Dionne would have to agree that he never told you about it though before I think it's a valid point.
Sorry Hinske if you don't agree with me, but I think the exemption rule is a great rule. I served all 3 of my years and so should you.
Uncle Mertog
November 5, 2008 3:48:53 PM
Entry #: 2976160
Hinske, I know that you want to win and Keenan wants to win...I know for a fact Josh wants to win...you guy's have the core nucleus of a great team right there in the making. It is hard to run a team, but it is even harder when you have a bunch of guys who all want the same thing but just don't know how to get it done. You guys were FAR better than your record this year indicated and whatever problems that are going on over there aren't anything that most of us haven't been through. It should be easy to settle it since you all essentially want the same thing...to be a winning team, and in my opinion you guys are right there on the cusp!
Brian Stevens
November 5, 2008 3:50:23 PM
Entry #: 2976163
Ernie is gay.
Mac
November 5, 2008 3:54:52 PM
Entry #: 2976176
I second that motion.... not cuz of anything he said on the site, just by the way he looks at me and tries touching me when i get a hit.
Ernie gets my vote for gay of the year haha
Brian Stevens
November 5, 2008 3:55:44 PM
Entry #: 2976178
Did he ever ask you for a three way with his dog? Not that he has ever asked me...I was just curious.
EW33
November 5, 2008 4:02:56 PM
Entry #: 2976194
Stevens, we can have a three way with my wife but my dog is off limits.
Mac, I would most definitely fuck you. I have done much worse.
Brian Stevens
November 5, 2008 4:06:07 PM
Entry #: 2976203
It is no fun at all when people have comebacks like that. Well played sir.
Hinske
November 5, 2008 4:34:36 PM
Entry #: 2976252
No worries big earn we can agree to disagree. The real root of the problem can be speculated between you and the rest of the gang. As Ian stated to me beware of what you comment on that you only get half the story of. As far as the exempt rule i think it is a good rule that needs to be tweeked. I can have my opinion. As it stood today if the team stays together i still dont really want to be a part of the cluster fuck that was going on over there and im not the only one on the squad.
There are some seriouse things that need to be worked out. Its another way to get the fire rolling for things to change.
gopher
November 5, 2008 5:27:20 PM
Entry #: 2976340
EW is the king of Coventry softball and gay 3 some's
Rockstar
November 5, 2008 6:21:46 PM
Entry #: 2976402
gopher you are just jelous that ernie hasnt asked you yet thats all... just get worried when he mentions his dog and peanut butter..
Uncle Mertog
November 5, 2008 6:30:50 PM
Entry #: 2976415
I don't know how you guys got a three way with Big Ern and his dog or how it entailed peanut butter but when I when out one night for drinks with Ern, I woke up to this shit!
lb4lb
November 5, 2008 6:41:12 PM
Entry #: 2976432
Here is a thought....any team that signs a player that still has exemption years left..if released of course....cannot use said player in the playoffs of first year. For example, Hiske gets his release from Crowe..signs with,,say,,Club Jogues...plays the summer with them..but the penalty is Hinske cannot be on the playoff roster for that first year.....
Uncle Mertog
November 5, 2008 7:06:38 PM
Entry #: 2976471
I'm going with Horrible on that idea Bob!
gopher
November 5, 2008 7:51:03 PM
Entry #: 2976525
Hey Bullwinkle Rock Star...I have had breakfast with Big Ern and it isn't any easier in the morning then at night when he has been drinking.
A lot of references to balls & hot lava. Thats when I go get the neighbors dog
EW33
November 5, 2008 8:24:04 PM
Entry #: 2976561
Gopher im not even the king of my own house (my daughter rules this domain).
Hinske I agree to disagree with you. I just take exception to people taking shots at a well run league. Earlier on you did so, but you have seemed to backtrack and taken those statements back. You want to not like a rule I'm cool with that but pointing fingers at other circumstances that you are not knowledgeable of is not the way to get something changed.
Good luck with what you have proposed.
translated : i hope it gets shot down like one of the fowl that you hunt.
Hinske
November 5, 2008 9:13:57 PM
Entry #: 2976608
Earn my intentions were not to take pot shots at the league. I was trying to express a point and guys jumped from the get go on me with no'. rather than hear it out. Thats what the forum is for and in the end you guys let me speak my peace. I am not as diplomatic as say you or ian and i know it rubs people the wrong way but i gotta at least get my bitch out and maybe somthing can be done say not for me but maybe someone down the line. Other than that i love the league the guys in it and yes fowl hunting.
I spoke with the little ewok tonight and we will hash out the problems and try to work it out. But like i said before it would be nice to have an option if nothing can be reconciled. I want to play in the league and plan to continue to play. So whatever happens happens.
Gopher you and i both know that if earn wanted to bend you over you would take it out of the mere hope that the ability in his left pinky toe would transfere into the vomit you call a body.
Besides the real topic of the year is whether considine can come back looking like stevens and if stevens can come back looking worse than artie.
emmittthebomber
November 5, 2008 10:14:54 PM
Entry #: 2976702
Okay. As a prospective new guy for 2009 I have a few questions on this exempt player rule. But first let me start by saying that I'm not fond of this sitting out for a year for the sole reason that my wife is going to get too comfortable with me playing only once a week. I foresee many an argument in the 2010 season and beyond.
But now to my questions. I'm just trying to understand some things. So as a potential new guy for '09 I must sit out everywhere else and I go to a team with 3 exemptions. Let's say prospective team improves and now have 2 exemptions (or even 1 for arguments sake) for the 2010 season. What would this mean for me in 2010 if this team decides to use their 1 or 2 exemptions elsewhere and I still enjoy playing in the Coventry League? Would this mean I'd have to a)choose to sit out again, b)leave the league all together, or c)some other option I'm not aware of, or d) get cut.
I was unaware of this 3 year commitment to your team (which I am completely fine with and think it's a pretty damn good idea), but I'm not exactly a high caliber player like apparently Mr. Hinske is or even a Neil Lesniak. I'm more along the lines of an average to slightly above average player with a few moments of brilliance here and there. Which as an average player, I'm going to worry about my future until I can prove and cement a place for myself on a team. Any thoughts, suggestions or advice? I look forward to finally (potentially)joining one of the more competitive leagues in the state. I just wanna know how you boys roll.
KD
November 5, 2008 10:37:09 PM
Entry #: 2976722
Alright, alright. Let's leave Ernie's dog out of this. We all know thats Dutilly's "bitch" and there's an "unwritten rule" in this league about staying with the same breed for 3 years. You don't hear him trying to get out of THAT contract now do ya? Besides, you got to see it when they're together...Bobby takes his tooth out and the dog goes crazy...It's just magical!
Brian Stevens
November 5, 2008 10:50:35 PM
Entry #: 2976737
emmitt- if you start drinking before noon more than 5 days per week, I would recommend trying to hook up with they guys from the Sandy Bottom team.
Smitty
November 5, 2008 11:25:21 PM
Entry #: 2976757
emmitt, if you come to coventry you have two options.
1. not play in any other leagues for 1 year, 2009, then in 2010 play as many leagues as you like
2. get on a team that will use an exemption on you. then you can play in as many leagues as you like in 2009, but you must play more than half the games for three years. after that you may play for any team in the league.
emmittthebomber
November 6, 2008 4:19:38 AM
Entry #: 2976822
Okay...so a team would only have to use an exemption on a player for year one of his agreement, or need him to sit out for year one? Then in years 2 and 3 said player can go nuts and piss his wife off by playing in 3 leagues to work the cob webs out of his swing?
emmittthebomber
November 6, 2008 4:24:36 AM
Entry #: 2976823
And although I'm not quite at 5 days a week, drinking before noon is almost like a 2nd sport to me. Straight up weekend warrior and applicable holidays for right now.
Smitty
November 6, 2008 8:12:57 AM
Entry #: 2976911
you get new exemptions every year. so someone marked exempt in 08, will still be marked exempt next year but it won't take away from a teams 09 exemptions.
if you are exempt you can play in as many leagues as you want from day one.
if you play for a team that doesn't use its exemption on you then you must only play coventry for one year. year 2, 3, forever go nuts 10 leagues
gopher
November 6, 2008 10:37:04 AM
Entry #: 2977082
Smitty or others who know this answer What is the penalty for the team that is having a player play with them without using a exemption on the player and he is seen playing in another league in the first year just so Emmitt and others are aware
Fat Chicks Rule
November 6, 2008 10:40:32 AM
Entry #: 2977091
The penalty is forefiting the games in which that player played.....I believe.
Jeffc_28
November 6, 2008 11:28:54 AM
Entry #: 2977152
Just ask Dutilly, the cheating bastard!
Hinske
November 6, 2008 11:56:15 AM
Entry #: 2977193
Dutilly a cheater? he seems like a real honest guy what do you guys mean?
EW33
November 6, 2008 12:53:11 PM
Entry #: 2977295
Dutilly is very honest.... that he will cheat.
Hinske, there is no fuckin "a" in my first name. Ernie, Ern, Douche Bag, or any variation is fine but there is no fuckin "a". Not sure why but that makes my ass hairs quiver.
Hinske
November 6, 2008 1:06:52 PM
Entry #: 2977316
Im glad i make your ass hairs quiver with an a in your name rather than standing behind you like dutilly. EARNIE
emmittthebomber
November 6, 2008 4:03:05 PM
Entry #: 2977590
Well thank you all. That was all good info and answered a lot of questions. And a special Thank You Gopher for bringing up the whole cheating point......
