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| Let you know
August 31, 2009
10:59:51 PM
Entry #: 3261823
| Sprickman leads Timeout 1-0 game 2 tues.6:15 Field 4 Game 1 one run 8 innings.Z's on the lake has way with Docksiders game 1. Game 2 6:15 tue. field 3 Hilltop wins nail biter over Bootleggers 15-13 game 2 Wed. game 3 to follow if nec.
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| Park Ranger
September 1, 2009
10:15:52 AM
Entry #: 3262082
| And Night Flights took the broom to Dempsey winning that series 2 games to 0
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| Let you know
September 2, 2009
1:34:17 PM
Entry #: 3263411
| Sprickman defeated Timeout 17-7 for playoff title in South.Z's on the lake fought off a Docksider comeback to win it in the bottom of the 7th,to take the Deep Southern title.
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| deep south
September 2, 2009
6:39:37 PM
Entry #: 3263787
| classic... I was amazed at how excited Z's on the lake was to win the 5th place in bottom league trophy. For being mostly cops, they do seem to flap their mouth quite a bit.
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| SPRICKMAN
September 2, 2009
9:04:41 PM
Entry #: 3263911
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JUST A SHOUT OUT TO THE SPRICKMAN GUYS THANK YOU FOR A GREAT SEASON, AND A AWSOME FINISH. THERES ONLY ONE STEP LEFT TO TAKE ITS GONNA BE A CRAZY RIDE.
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| Let you know
September 3, 2009
10:04:06 AM
Entry #: 3264341
| Seasons over Hilltop won the central with a 14-7 win over Bootleggers.
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| Fair player
September 3, 2009
12:42:23 PM
Entry #: 3264516
| Wasn't Hilltop one of the teams that refused to move up to A so the middle division was created to appease them? Then they win the bottom half playoff A bracket? They should have no problem moving entirely into A next year right?
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| Groove`
September 3, 2009
9:38:50 PM
Entry #: 3265040
| Hilltop is a sure thing on moving up also Sprickman and Timeout Tavern will be moving up along with one more team to be named later. Looking at some where around 18 teams and 2 divisions.
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| bloodsuckers fan club
September 3, 2009
10:00:31 PM
Entry #: 3265059
| we want to play in a division. we took down docksiders, next we take down the WORLD!!!!! HAHA
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| SPRICKMAN
September 4, 2009
7:49:19 AM
Entry #: 3265263
| I VOTE FOR ONE DIVISION EVERYBODY PLAYS EVERYBODY AND THE PLAYOFFS ARE BROKEN UP INTO THREE DIVISIONS, BASED ON RECORD. THE ONLY WAS YOU GET BETTER IS BY PLAYING BETTER TEAM. THATS MY OPINION.
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| mohney
September 4, 2009
8:49:52 AM
Entry #: 3265307
| I agree with that, the problem is some teams are for some reason terrified of bonnells, d&b, and braendels. Its not like those guys are cyborgs, but everyone finds an excuse.
Maybe classify top 4 teams and bottom 4 teams. Instead of them playing each other, have them play there respective group twice.
Simple problems need only simple solutions. The problem is, I have tried to propose things for years, only for them to be tabled every time. Gets kinda old after 6 years....
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| agree
September 4, 2009
9:39:38 AM
Entry #: 3265355
| mahoney
has the right tude here everybody play everybody. when you walk across the white line is when you should never fear anyone. dont let a reputation fool you. those 3 teams can be beat on any given eve. get some balls and make the game miserable for them, thats what they do so reverse the karma . i will do you wonders
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| Benes
September 4, 2009
1:49:12 PM
Entry #: 3265635
| This is an example of why we should have a year end meeting during September and all teams interested in coming back next year should be invited. Everyone has fresh ideas and concerns, some of the things I read on posts and heard through the year were Why were most of the rain make-ups at the end of the season?, Games needed for playoffs, Playoff format, Pick-ups, Missing umps, Website updates, Uniforms, All-star game, a league tournament and (as always) Pitching rules. I am sure I missed something.
It would also be a good time to elect the board giving them ample time to prepare for the next season for things like an opening day tournament (someone suggested) and discuss the possibilities of an All-star game and prepare for it.
There are things to consider with whatever system or alignment that is proposed, when you look into scheduling it is not simple. How did everyone feel about the 3 tier league? Did it work? What were the problems with it? Except for the rain outs and confusion on rules and playoff format I thought the games went smoothly.
I am all for discussing different ideas but it has to be thought out and applicable.
The ideas in this post have been discussed over the past few years. The idea of one big league has benefits such as teams will be properly ranked for state tournaments and there is no difficulty of dividing up teams. You also get to see all the other teams giving everyone a better idea of how good they really are. Some of the negatives are. What is the quality of the games going to be between the upper and lower teams? How many 5 inning games are we going to have as a league? (remember we still pay the same amount to the umpires) Will anyone get hurt (third, first, pitcher)? Do we run the risk of losing the weaker teams (Don’t laugh, this bit Fastpitch and Millcreek in the ass)? And what I see as the biggest hurdle is what days do we play? There are a lot of teams that only want to play on certain days for different reasons (Work,Coaching, Glenwood, fastpitch, slowpitch, big ball, golf, Hockey, kids games…). There were some teams that said they specifically could not play other than the two days their league was regularly scheduled to play. If we make one big division everyone will have to play any given night. One of the Harborcreek leagues strengths were, you knew you played on alternating nights either Mondays and Wednesdays or Tuesdays and Thursdays. I am not saying that this is impossible but it is not going to be easy.
Also, when you start breaking up the teams and have them playing each other keep in mind that nobody wants to play an opponent more than 3 times during the regular season.
Try to keep in mind what is best for the league. There is always room for improvement.
Bill
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| adam
September 4, 2009
2:17:46 PM
Entry #: 3265649
| in order for one big league, every team will need to make concession! and they will be scheduled to play mon-friday. this will cause alot of problem with teams who have guys that play in other leagues or have other interest( coaching, golf etc).
as to bill's posting, i would like to see a end of the yr league meeting.
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| SPRICKMANS
September 4, 2009
2:46:19 PM
Entry #: 3265677
| WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD
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| cf11
September 5, 2009
9:43:55 AM
Entry #: 3266084
| An after season meeting is only one post or a few phone calls, maybe the commish and put the bottle rockets and one hitters down for a minute and make it happen.
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| re:cf
September 6, 2009
11:17:24 PM
Entry #: 3267202
| YOU COULD NOT HOLD MY JOCK,
HEMP NATON RULES
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| bonnells
September 8, 2009
10:15:55 PM
Entry #: 3269199
| u guys down in the lower divisions say u paid the same amount of money to play as everyone else if i understood the above post. u are afraid of not getting ur m oneys worth if we move to one division which u believe will result in numerous 5 inning affairs.
if anyone was cheated, it was us, who got a first round bye in the playoffs and played only 2 games to win the league playoffs bc no one wanted to play up.
then the league dumps all this money to umpires to form an 8 team "B" playoff with some "A" teams in it. sorry for the bitchin but look at it from both sides of the fence please!
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| Benes
September 9, 2009
12:27:00 PM
Entry #: 3269676
| That is not how intended it to come across. I was just trying to point out some positives and negatives of a one division league and one of the negatives was the possibility of a lot of 5 inning games for the league, which I felt was not beneficial financially to anyone in our league. Every team pays $30 for an umpire and the umpire gets paid whether he is there for 5 innings or 7 innings. At first glance it doesn’t seem like much but if you multiply it by the number of possible 5 inning games it can add up. This is just one point that might matter to some and not others.
I agree with you, I think the top three teams got the short end this year. Bonnells in particular, because you finished in first place. At one league meeting the idea of a 3 team round robin playoff for seating followed by the traditional 3 team playoff bracket was suggested (this would have given each team 2 more games) for the top three teams but Bonnells, D&B and Braendels chose to stick with the traditional playoff bracket. And at the end of the season the board felt that Fousts team and Red Fox was closer to the “B” bracket than the “A” bracket, so that left a 3 team “A” playoff bracket. Unfortunately we had an odd amount of teams this year. And it did not sound like bitchin to me.
Also, congratulations to Bonnells on a strong showing at 10 Man Nationals.
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| Mike Kane
September 9, 2009
2:42:57 PM
Entry #: 3269850
| The one league concept will not work for all of the reasons mentioned above plus one other reason...there seem to be pretty clear cut talent levels among the teams.
The top three teams in the A division are clearly head and shoulders above the rest. They not only have the talent to win the majority of their games during the regular season but they also have enough depth to win when they are not at full strength.
The second tier of teams is the three remaining A teams, the three B teams and maybe 1 or 2 C teams. Most of these teams can play with the big boys and give them a good game but need the right circumstances to get a win.
The remaining C teams would make up the third tier.
Regarding Bonnells/Lombardis (or whatever name they are going by now), what would be the purpose of playing those two games? Padding your stats or stroking your egos? Both Red Fox and Jimmy Z's lost to lower seeded teams in the playoffs as it was but both teams entered the playoffs with a better chance of winning a game/series than being served up to a team that probably hasn't lost more than two games in a season since they entered the league.
For those who weren't around then, the split playoffs were added when Bonnells entered the league. I have nothing against Bonnells, they win on the field fair and square but for teams not close to their overall talent levels, it is not fun going into a season without hope of winning a championship. The split playoffs give more teams a chance to win something. The Millcreek league and to some extent, City Rec Fastpitch suffered because of dominant teams. I've been in this league for 16 years and the years that were the most fun were when there was good balance amongst the teams.
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| bonnells
September 9, 2009
8:04:19 PM
Entry #: 3270225
| im just saying that we paid as much money as everyone else to get into the league so we should play as many games as everyone else. i understand the concern of us being dominant, but if people havent noticed our league team was no where near as good as its been in the past. we played a lot of close games and lost to the red fox. i dont know whats fair, but playing the best teams can only make u better. maybe one league for regular season and top 4 for A playoffs and next for B, etc.
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| bonnells
September 9, 2009
8:06:15 PM
Entry #: 3270228
| oh and thanks benes for the congrats, it was a tough weekend. losing ur first game of a 22 team tourney never helps but we battled our ass's off.
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| Dewey
September 10, 2009
1:08:39 AM
Entry #: 3270468
| I just want to say that I dont believe that finishing 2nd, 3rd, or 4th behind a good team/teams is something to be ashmed of.
This split that the league started years ago to "give teams a chance to win a championship" started all the nonsense that we are dealing with now.
I dont know what team won the "B" Championship but do they really feel like they won a championship? I love how our league hands out trophys to three or four teams (but not to the team that finished 2nd this year). Seriously, how many teams that finished below us got to hand thier sponsor a trophy while we couldnt?
There is more balance in this league than people will admit. We lost to Red Fox, Groovys team, Braendels, and Bonnells. And by the way, We beat Jimmy Z twice by one run, and once by two runs.
Watch Big Ball keep growing and modified keep dying.
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| Hello Mikey
September 10, 2009
10:17:49 AM
Entry #: 3270668
| This is for Mike Kane or (whatever name you are going by now), so let me get this straight you want everyone to pay the same amount of money but because you think Bonnell guys would stroke their egos or "pad" their stats, so lets penalize them and have them play less games than you, but you can beat up on the "C" teams and stroke your ego on here and at the field.
I know you probably need to stroke your ego so that is fine but than return some of the league money to Bonnells for giving them a bye. I am sure they would play whoever/whenever which they have done for years so either reimburse them for 2 games or have a 4 team playoff in the top diovision.
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| Adam
September 10, 2009
11:17:44 AM
Entry #: 3270723
| enough of the Big Ball crap on here. i have no hard feelings toward them or anyone who plays it. but it is hard to find a solution to our problems with the league, if everytime something comes up people start big ball this and that.
We ( big ball and Harborcreek) are two different styles of ball with different problem. let them fix their league and us ours.
now on to the A playoffs. i believe there was only a 2 game win-loss difference between the 4th & 5th place team vs the third place. one of those teams could had easily played up, but they didn't. so let fix this problem with league alignment and playoffs now, from the postings on this site most teams want a meeting. lets try to make this happen soon
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| Hello Mikey
September 10, 2009
1:39:08 PM
Entry #: 3270894
| Dear Hello Mikey,
Just some quick things, Mike Kane's team (Jimmy Z's) and Bonnell's played the same amount of games this year so if your giving money's back I am sure Mr Zank would like some of his sponsorship back as well.
As for stats, no A team played any C teams this year so I dont think stats are a big deal. The only stat I can concerned about is wins and losses.
I do believe that we need to address the 3 tiered league, playoffs and trophies. They is absolutely no reason for the middle division or than to pad stats and egos of those in it. I do think that the pitching rules and regs need to be refined. Let's have a sling division with open pitching rules and a modified division with modified pitching rules. I believe that this will solve many of the headache's and problems of this league. The only thing about this is having the umpires with the knowledge and kahuana'a to call illegal pitches.
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| Mike Kane
September 10, 2009
9:15:59 PM
Entry #: 3271426
| Bonnells - You did play as many regular season games as everyone else. I don't know how you expect each team to play the same amount of games in the playoffs. As someone else mentioned, my team (Jimmy Z's) and Red Fox also received byes. Yes, it did seem that your team was not as dominant as in previous seasons but down the stretch and for the playoffs, the team seemed to improve. From my observations, it appeared that this was more due to not being at full strength early in the season rather than any decline in talent. Still, while not being as dominant, you still only lost once in 20 games.
Dewey - I agree that there is no shame in finishing behind a better team. By the same token, entering a game knowing that you need to play almost perfect to win can be discouraging. While we made strides this year against the "Big Three", we still finished 1-8 against them. We are 1-12 against Bonells/Lombardis since they entered the league, 1-19 against Dempsey & Baxter plus 2 playoff losses and 3-5 against Braendels. Another reason for the split playoffs was to keep teams near the bottom of the standings interested because there was a problem with some teams not showing up for games if they had nothing to play for.
Hello Mikey #1 - Mike Kane is my real name and I explained my "whatever name they are going by now" comment above. Regarding playing the smae number of games, I also explained that above. Regarding playing C teams, our team has been playing in A since 1999. Regarding my ego and those who might know who I am can verify this, I have never been in the top half of my team talentwise but I know my role on the team. I show up (I have only missed 6 or 7 games in 16 years), I play and I have fun. If I wanted to pad my stats or stroke my ego, I wouldn't be playing in the A division.
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| Mike Kane
September 10, 2009
9:20:14 PM
Entry #: 3271430
| Actually the explanation of my "whatever name they are going by" comment didn't make the post for some reason. Earlier this year someone made a post to stop calling the team Bonnell's because that was no longer their name, that is what I was referring to by my comment.
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September 11, 2009
2:47:13 PM
Entry #: 3272093
| so if u play for fun, what's it matter what place u come in?
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September 11, 2009
3:10:04 PM
Entry #: 3272117
| how about stop the novels and get to the point
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| Mike Kane
September 11, 2009
5:18:54 PM
Entry #: 3272264
| Reread my post, I said "I play and I have fun". When I play, I always play to win but win or lose, I try to have fun.
The point is that has been a good league for close to 30 years and I would like to see it survive and prosper. I have been in the league for 16 years and I think that I can offer some input to help sustain and improve the league. I'd rather not see it fold like Millcreek nor be reduced to a handful of teams like Fastpitch.
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September 13, 2009
10:06:35 AM
Entry #: 3273402
| so basically, ur saying if bonnells D@B, and brandels leave the league it will be much better bc u have a shot to win a title.
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| Mike Kane
September 13, 2009
11:54:11 AM
Entry #: 3273485
| No, I'm saying that those teams are at a different level talentwise than the rest of the league. It is no coincidence that they have some of the better pitchers in the league but it is also those same pitchers who are most often suspected of "slinging". These are also the teams in favor of having an open pitching division, hmm. I'm not sure why because the umps stopped calling illegal pitches years ago. I'm not going to name names, but we had a game this year where the field umpire (one of the better umpires by the way) told the pitcher after the sixth inning that most of his pitches were illegal yet he never called anything.
If you want to talk about teams avoiding other teams to win a championship, talk to the three B teams.
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| sprickman
September 15, 2009
8:38:55 AM
Entry #: 3275487
| this really has nothing to do with everyones bitches, but my team is gladly moving up and not sure if we will win a game all season, but i guarantee that we will shock a team or two. i just feel that talent level means a lot but desire can help any team rise to the occassion. i would rather shock a night flights team by beating them then walk through a lower division. the big three r just very solid teams but anyone can lose on any given day. let everybody play em all and deal with it.
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| night flights
September 15, 2009
9:34:13 PM
Entry #: 3276330
| very well said sprickman. cya on the field next yr
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September 16, 2009
8:54:27 PM
Entry #: 3277319
| if sprickman is so willing to play the better teams. how come you NEVER see them play in any tournaments were the better teams are?
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| Mike Kane
September 17, 2009
12:00:58 AM
Entry #: 3277477
| If you are so willing to post, why do we never see your name?
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