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| WildBilly
September 22, 2010
11:54:44 AM
Entry #: 3577860
| I read in the SLAB that after the FOY Champion is crowned that the top 3 teams from each of these leagues will square off against each other for bragging rights. Is this still going to occur? Who are the three teams from the FOY? Will there be an entrance fee to pay? If one of the top 3 teams can't pay the entrance fee, will other FOY teams be picked? Will any of the teams be like an all-star team, in other words, is it an open roster or do the teams have to use the same players they used throughout the FOY season? When will this be published so players can come and watch?
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| Rev Mike
September 22, 2010
12:35:09 PM
Entry #: 3577897
| I would like to do T-Shirts for this event I could probably do them for $10.00 a shirt that way we have something like a souvinier since this will be the 1st Year. So if your interested hit me up with sizes of your team the more shirts the cheaper the price. 618.520.9705 and next year the Angels will be in the Tourney!!!
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| A's 00
September 22, 2010
1:56:49 PM
Entry #: 3577955
| Below is the text from the article Bill is talking about. Sounds like it's all up to Johnny's manager Mark Lamoureux. MSBL playoffs won't even start until October, so scheduling won't be easy.
FOY vs. MSBL??
It’s been a debate for a long time. Which league has better competition? The Fountain of Youth in Cahokia or the St. Louis Men’s Senior Baseball League? Ask anyone in Cahokia and they will tell you, hands down it’s their league. Ask anyone in the MSBL and they will claim the best. Both leagues have been around a long time and have shared a lot of the same players. FOY has likened the MSBL to softball with the free substitution and batting as many as you’d like. In the last few seasons, the MSBL have tightened in competition and expanded to more teams while the FOY has shrunk in size, although the historically powerhouse teams still reside there.
In October, 2010, we hope to answer the question while also starting a new tradition. Headed by Mark Lamoureux, Johnny’s manager, the FOY will host a tournament where the top 3 MSBL 25+ teams will head to Cahokia to compete with the 3 best FOY 27+ teams. The first ever FOY Invitational has begun being planned. The plan is to create a competitive tournament that does a few things. One, to settle the ageless debate of which league has the better competition. Two, schedule some matchups that have never taken place before. Three, Play a good tournament after the season in the nice October weather.
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| A's 00
September 23, 2010
3:12:04 PM
Entry #: 3578868
| My own personal take is that the MSBL now has a slight edge over FOY. I left the 28+ MSBL in 2000 when Gurk introduced me to the FOY. At the time, the FOY was significantly better than the MSBL. Since then, the MSBL has gotten bigger, better, and they dropped the age limit down to 25. I played in both leagues this year and I was surprised at how much the MSBL had improved. There's a lot of youth, speed, and live arms on the mound, even on the lower placed teams.
The biggest difference in the leagues is the age range. FOY doesn't have any older age brackets so the teams have a mix of ages. The MSBL teams seem to be almost all younger guys. Youger doesn't always mean better- hitting doesn't drop off much with age and pitchers get smarter and more accurate as they lose velocity. In the MSBL all star games, the 35/45 teams always beat the 18/25 teams. So youth helps, but not a lot.
The only cross league games I've heard of is when Johnny's cleaned up in the MSBL tourney a few years ago, including some out of town teams. The only way to know for sure which league is better is to play the games. If they do get played, I think they will be good, evenly matched games. And since my teams finished 6th in both leagues I won't be playing, but I will come out to watch.
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| Longhorns
September 27, 2010
9:47:24 AM
Entry #: 3581282
| I think Lammy is leaving for Phoenix before the MSBL playoffs are over. Some feet dragging once again....If anyone in the FOY wants to head this thing, then I am sure that the Tribe, Longhorns and probably the Knights would be interested.
I've got 5 dozen Diamond baseballs we could use....
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October 3, 2010
8:42:47 AM
Entry #: 3585131
| What about a FOY all star team vs MSBL all star game? That would be fun.
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October 4, 2010
2:50:33 AM
Entry #: 3585544
| Give me a list of who deserves to be all-stars? How many should be on the team?
Who pitches?
How many from each team?
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| A's 00
October 4, 2010
11:45:15 AM
Entry #: 3585747
| I like the All Star idea. It would be easier to get a full team to show up pulling from 8 teams, but the game still isn't going to happen without someone just taking over and doing it. The MSBL 25+ playoff bracket is out and the final game is scheduled for Thursday, 10/14 (although they'll have to schedule another game if the team from the loser's bracket wins that game). That would seem to make the following Saturday or Sunday the best days for a game. The MSBL Florida tournament isn't until November, so the guys playing in that may want to keep playing until then.
Archie seems to know about every player in the league by name, so he could give a good list of players. From my own team I'd nominate Steve Kraus (3B) and Kevin Anderson (CF).
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| Longhorns
October 4, 2010
12:21:50 PM
Entry #: 3585772
| I'd be happy to come up with an MSBL All Star team. If the FOY want to do it in Cahokia, I'd supply baseballs. Each team could pay for an umpire (unless we want to do 4 umpires, then we could split that.)
I'll be out of town that weekend for a wedding, but I could put the team together and have someone else run it.
Is this something Archie would even be interested in?
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October 5, 2010
8:38:51 AM
Entry #: 3586308
| This could be done very easily if we get the Arch man on it. I think it would be a lot of fun. One 9 inning mash fest at Cahokia. To raise money we could do a HR derby before the game. 10 bucks to enter and 10 bucks per player nominated to play in the game or whatever it averages out to.
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| Longhorns
October 5, 2010
9:10:59 AM
Entry #: 3586335
| Or we could just name Matt Howard champ.
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| Sarge27
October 5, 2010
11:13:03 AM
Entry #: 3586440
| With all the playoffs being pushed back Arch and I have decided not to put anything together this fall. We have come together on a date for a tournament for next year. All MSBL teams make note of these dates so when scheduling time comes around in early spring you can work this in. June 23-27. The format and # of teams will be worked out over the winter. We are going to try and incorporate a Home Run Derby in this. With the uncertainty of weather and not knowing when seasons will end this is the best way to do this.
Good luck to everyone still in the playoffs and to the teams traveling to Arizona and Florida.
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October 5, 2010
10:16:57 PM
Entry #: 3586890
| Lets see who you guys would pick including Arch, if we had to create a All Star Team right now who or what # player would make the list. Starting Nine player with SP. Lets hear who is on your All Star Team.
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October 6, 2010
2:35:41 PM
Entry #: 3587241
| SP- Eck, Johnny's
C- Barry?, Cardinals
1B- Lefty from the Angels
2B- Howard, Curleys
SS- Schmidt, Curleys
3B- Big dude from the As
OF- Kroeger, Johnny's
OF- Lewis, Curleys
OF- Landmeier, Bulls
DH- Greenwalt, Johnny's
RP- Duck, Sox
RP- Maxfield, Curleys
RP- Scott, Johnny's
Pretty solid lineup.
Tried to use stats, and memories...not sure what position Greenwalt plays, but his stats are good. Also, not sure if Howard is a 2B, but it's good to have his bat, and I think he played there once or twice.
Thoughts, critiques?
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| A's 00
October 6, 2010
3:48:04 PM
Entry #: 3587288
| I don't know enough guys by name to fill out a complete lineup. I'll just throw out a few changes / honorable mentions:
I'd have Pasqualone (Red Sox) at short.
Mike O'Conner (Cards) at DH.
Everybody's 1B can hit but I would go with Dean Lyon (Curleys).
Kevin Anderson (A's) in the outfield somewhere.
Add Ryan Bell (Cards) to the bullpen. (Rookie of the year?)
As a lefty, I'd rather face Duck than Eck as a starter, but it's a close call.
BTW- "big dude from the A's" = Steve Kraus
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| Rev Mike
October 7, 2010
3:15:33 PM
Entry #: 3587886
| SP - Eck - Johnny's
RP – Bell – Cardinals
CL - Big Man from Red Sox (Throws Hard) ??
1B – Steve Kraus – A’s
2B – Brian Snow – Curleys
SS - Chris Musskopf - Pirates
3B - Matt Howard - Curleys
C – Berry – Cardinals
LF – Schmidt – Curleys
CF - Chris Hughes – Angels (Rookie of the Year)
RF – Landmeier – Bulls
DH – Greenwalt – Johnny’s
- just sayin -
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October 7, 2010
6:10:30 PM
Entry #: 3587985
| Is Kroeger the OF from the Johhnys that everybody hates.
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| BigSug
October 7, 2010
8:16:21 PM
Entry #: 3588046
| A guy on Johnny's that everyone hates.....please narrow that down a little.
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| WildBilly
October 7, 2010
9:44:33 PM
Entry #: 3588090
| BigSug, you alwys have the best one liners and comments.
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October 7, 2010
10:14:33 PM
Entry #: 3588106
| If I had to guess its the prick who tries to get hit by every pitch.
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| BigSug
October 8, 2010
7:29:18 AM
Entry #: 3588195
| Chad Lembach -CF, leadoff hitter (definitely belongs on any all-star team)
for the record, if you want to call someone a prick on this forum, you should use a name.
the term for people that take shot anonymously also has 5 letters and begins with "P"
ps: thanks Bill, sometimes it's just too easy.
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| #22
October 8, 2010
10:41:28 AM
Entry #: 3588359
| I agree that players is a prick. He is always trying to start crap with other teams. The bet the Umps can't stand him either. He is a jerk.
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| WildBilly
October 8, 2010
11:31:06 AM
Entry #: 3588388
| I would have to list Josh DeWitt from our Pirates for the 1st base position. This guy can hit, has a great glove at 1st base and is a great left-handed pitcher. We hadn't beat Johnnies, I think it's been a decade, and we actually won with him on the mound. There and many good 1st basemen in our league though, from Johnnies, Curleys, etc. so I could see them substituting often at this spot. Josh could DH too and even throw a few innings.
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October 13, 2010
9:56:52 AM
Entry #: 3591645
| SP- Eck, Johnny's
SP- Duck, Redsox
C- Davis?, Johnnys
1B- Big Lefty from A's
2B- Howard, Curleys
SS- Guy from Pirates- Musskopf?
3B- 3 Hole for Red Sox- McCAllister?
OF- Kroeger, Johnny's
OF- Lewis, Curleys
OF- Landmeier, Bulls
DH- Greenwalt, Johnny's
RP- Maxfield, Curleys
RP- Miller, Sox
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October 13, 2010
10:26:37 AM
Entry #: 3591682
| What would your batting order look like.
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| the commish
October 13, 2010
8:28:47 PM
Entry #: 3592205
| I have read this thread with great interest. I would hope we could make this happen. I could not limit the squad to twelve players. I have composed a 25 man squad. We would need this many to compete in a nine inning game. I propose we play a 3 game series. I have chosen this blend of players to have experience, youth and baseball savvy to prevail in situational baseball.
1B Dean Lyon- Curleys
Josh De Witt- Pirates
2B Steve Schmidt- Curleys
Jamie McAllister- Red Sox
SS Mike Pasqualone- Red Sox
Scot Goodrich- Johnnys
3B Steve Kraus- A's
Jeff Plunkett- Cardinals
OF Chad Lembach- Johnnys
Shawn Lewis- Curleys
Corey Dickerson- Red Sox
Josh Kroeger- Johnnys
Chris Hughes- Angels
C Barry Grant- Cardinals
Scott Davis- Johnnys
P Dave Duckworth- Red Sox
Mark Echor- Johnnys
Matt Maxfield- Curleys
Matt Miller- Red Sox
Jason Landmeier- Ragin' Bulls
Darin Scott- Johnnys
Bench
Matt Howard- Curleys
Eric Greenwalt- Johnnys
Chris Musskopf- Pirates
Ernie Doirin- Cardinals
Mgr
Archie Reid- Red Sox
Coaches
John Murray- Johnnys
Chuck Diering- A's
Honorable Mention The All-Time HR King
Mike O'Conner- Cardinals
As with any squad some good players are left off. We could have more pitchers, but sprinkled among the position players are some guys that can give us some innings.
The bench guys are versatile players that can contribute in many situations, especially with the bat and and the wheels. I'll let you figure out who brings what to the table.
Since I formed the squad, I get to run the show. My coaches may have rubbed a few people, but their baseball knowledge is not to be questioned.
And to the HOF Mike O'Conner you are our connection to our rich history. I would hope you would join on this journey
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October 14, 2010
10:08:43 AM
Entry #: 3592513
| Give us a starting line-up and batting order....
When is this going to happen?
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| the commish
October 14, 2010
4:10:25 PM
Entry #: 3592850
| I'd probably lead you off, except I don't know your name. Can't put you on the lineup card w/out it. Most of this is off-season banter, not sure if the aforementioned players would participate. Actually Lammy started this project he should co-ordinate.
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| kollack
October 15, 2010
7:45:46 AM
Entry #: 3593229
| With the sweet outfield play I displayed in this year's playoffs, I can't believe I was left off the list. Oh well, maybe I'll be able to catch a ball next year.
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| Longhorns
October 18, 2010
1:41:40 PM
Entry #: 3595469
| Just give me the word...I know I can get a team together.
stl_athletics@yahoo.com
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