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| open to change
April 10, 2011
8:17:04 PM
Entry #: 3698106
| I would like to see this brought up next meeting with more input from all teams. I think its a good idea. It gives everyone a chance to play up and see what they got. I think most of the B league teams could at least somewhat hang(not win). I just dont want to see this get tabled because one team that hasnt won a game has grief about it. Sorry, but ur main complaint is that u will play less 7 inning games. Last time I checked, u barely play 7 innings against B teams.
I know that he pays his entry fee, so does everyone else. One team shouldnt bring down 15 others.
Thats my opinion and I could be wrong.
PS: I used a different name due to fact I dont know how people will respond to this. So take it for what its worth, I will state my case next meeting.
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April 10, 2011
9:00:15 PM
Entry #: 3698167
| i agree with the above post. let the B teams play up
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April 10, 2011
10:21:57 PM
Entry #: 3698227
| maybe just 2 or 3 games, whats the big deal?
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| Groove
April 11, 2011
11:22:51 AM
Entry #: 3698552
| What days of the week you gonna play? B teams gonna be happy playing 5 inning games. I never see any B teams watching A games,cause the ones that do really don't think its that great of an idea.But its not up to me.It will be up for discussion.
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April 11, 2011
12:54:46 PM
Entry #: 3698672
| I say we discuss it but table it until next year.
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| Viewer
April 11, 2011
2:00:57 PM
Entry #: 3698772
| Its going to cause to much of a problem.... cause of one team wont like it, and with the new pitching rules being enforced some pitchers are going to get killed... lets play slowpitch...
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| Dewey
April 11, 2011
6:18:26 PM
Entry #: 3699062
| There are pros and cons and what it comes down to is what everyone thinks is best for their team. No one team has the power to make this not happen if the other teams want it. To be honest, it’s a league decision to do the schedule however they want, and to play whatever days they want. Individual teams have a single vote, just like everyone else.
Here is my two cents:
Pros: League integration is always good to me. I think often our league is looked at as two separate leagues when in fact its one league. That being said, I wish I was around the B division more often and vice versa. But the fact is the only way I would see those guys is to get in the car and drive out there on Tuesday & Thursday. So I like the idea that this would further combine our two divisions and give the sense of "One" League. Much like Big Ball. Its one big league.
It also gives the B players some more exposure. Granted its not like exposure to get a college scholarship or something, but there are some really good players who might then get picked up to go to a tournament that their current team doesn’t do.
Cons: Everyone seems to feel "entitled" to play on certain days. This means people have made other plans (family, other leagues, golf, etc) on the other days. So now people will argue they "Cant" play on certain days. This will be a problem but to me....a minor one. If your team plays on a day that you cant......then you miss the game. Too bad. If Dempsey plays on a day when I have to go recruiting for my job.....then I miss the game. But...people will fight about this, I’m sure of it.
Parity: I always laugh about this, the idea that teams CANT hang seems silly to be. In every league (NBA, NFL, Rec softball leagues, big ball, youth hockey, etc). There is always a best team, and always a worst team. So they just shouldnt play each other? The chance of a five inning exist in every game played, granted its better if one team is superior, but you never know what can happen. If if you feel a team is much better than you, is it really so bad to lose to them? Do you have to have a good chance to win a game in order for it to be worth playing in the first place?
If playing a five inning game is your concern, that your issue should be with the Mercy rule in general. A rule only in place to satisfy officials. This rule has a good intention but not a lot of thought into...but that is a different discussion altogether.
Balanced scheduling: off all the cons, this is the only one I feel is legit. Right now, we play each other three times. It provides a head to head tiebreaker, and no dispute about one team having an easier schedule than the other. If we do something where some teams play the top teams, and others don’t....that is not fair. In other words, if the top four of the A play the top four of the B, a team in the B could drop to the fifth spot or lower because they had a harder regular season schedule.
Honestly, I like the idea mostly because it integrates our league, but I still dont know how I would vote for it. I would want to hear other opinions.
Dewey
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| Interleague
April 11, 2011
8:28:30 PM
Entry #: 3699181
| If this is the case and we do decide to play interleague is there a way of just playing the games on monday and that you play our division on A wedsndays and B thursday. I know fridays are tough for alot of players with tourneys, big ball, and whatever they have planned.
I am sure it will take the season alittle longer but if we have access to all 4 fields and a double header or maybe even a triple header on 4, I think it may be duable with a little planning,
Maybe have double headers on all field with an hour time limit, home team gets to bat. Later in the summer the days are longer and lights wont be needed.
Remember these are just ideas and with the next meeting in a few weeks if we can bounce some ideas of the wall here at the meeting we can agree on something and wont waste peoples time on a saturday.
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| Gomolchak
April 13, 2011
2:48:36 PM
Entry #: 3701020
| Interesting posts about me and my team. When the interleague discussion was brought up at the meeting I gave my opinion. I find it interesting that the person that started this chat couldn't sign his name.
My opinion, I play in this league to have fun. It seems that there are more than enough of you out there that take this way too seriously. The players on my team are out to have fun. If we win, great, if we lose, ... remind me, what amount of the championship pot did I not get?
When I was asked about playing up, I gave my opinion. We like it when we get to play 7 innings, if you make us play 1/3 of our season in games where we don't have any chance to be competetive what do you think the outcome will be? I am also concerned about the safety of some of my players. How would your conscience treat you if you injured someone seriously?
Finally, the point about my paying my entry fee. Yes I pay it. How many of you can say the same?
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| Bayrats
April 13, 2011
5:43:26 PM
Entry #: 3701252
| so who didnt pay in full? explain your statement. Dont call people out if u dont have proof
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| dg44
April 13, 2011
6:15:51 PM
Entry #: 3701302
| As a member of the team being referenced, I do oppose inter-league play. Yes, my opinion is based on the competitive advantage of A division teams and the fact that there is absolutely no way we would stand a chance against any of the A division teams.
What I don't understand is why the A division teams want to play the B division anyway... It's not as if there aren't enough teams in either division that it becomes boring to play against them. You only play them 3 times. In that vein, I can understand why some B division teams would want to play up. But if that's the case, why don't you just move up for the whole season?
The notion that we are "one league" is complete bullshit. We are one league for regulatory purposes only. There's never a point in the MLB season when the Cubs play against the Seawolves just to see if the Seawolves "can hang". And, yes, I have watched A division games before. The style of gameplay is completely different.
What sucks about this thread is that it's becoming the supporters vs. Gomolchak Law Softball. I'm sure we are not the only team who opposes this proposal.
For us, safety IS a real concern. The main reason we really haven't been that competitive so far is because we have guys who never played ball before joining our team. Also, it is important to us as a team that everyone who comes out to the game gets a chance to play. We don't want to put those guys into a position that they can get hurt, and there's only so many guys you can shove into the EH slot in the lineup...
Personally, I wouldn't mind playing against the upper division teams as a player. I would like to see the better pitching and game strategies. But there's nothing fun for me or anyone on our team when we're down 20 runs. As far as I know, there are no A div teams trying to recruit me or most of the players on my team. So if I'm not good enough to play FOR you, why would you want to play AGAINST me???
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| dg44
April 13, 2011
6:20:11 PM
Entry #: 3701306
| "Bayrats
Entry #: 3701252
so who didnt pay in full? explain your statement. Dont call people out if u dont have proof"
Obviously you didn't understand the statement. He IS the sponsor. He personally pays the league fee.
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| Bayrats
April 13, 2011
11:56:54 PM
Entry #: 3701595
| Thanks for clearing that up for me, just know that he isnt only sponsor that plays in league. I paid 800 out of my pocket last year, so technically I am a league sponsor too.
It isnt first time he threw out the "i pay and how many of you guys do" line. I just wanted to clear that up.
And as far as players who never played go, I had 7 first time players last year. I recall we won 13 games.
Groover...if somehow there are interleague games, give us Bonnells(lombardis). And if we lose by 30 then i can prove that losing ur ass in a softball game isnt the end of the world.
As far as it being a safety concern, all i have to say is SACK UP. This isnt a full contact sport so safety concern should not even be on the table as an excuse. Softball is a sport that nobody gets paid for and all who play have a job and a family to go to. If u think that ur at risk playing, then go play golf or co-ed slo-pitch.
I am not chastizing you, I am just expressing my opinion so dont get all bent out of shape.
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| Same Year Same Story
April 14, 2011
10:07:28 AM
Entry #: 3701789
| The Saint trying to play GOD again, unreal the guy just doesn't get it. And no bayrats I am not referring to any of your posts.
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| Your Balls
April 15, 2011
10:23:28 AM
Entry #: 3702693
| Mabye the team(s) talking about Gomolchak growing a pair or "sacking up" should just volunteer to move up to A. That way they can brag about how they were able to "sack up" and compete with the big boys!
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| One ball man
April 15, 2011
3:49:46 PM
Entry #: 3702969
| the answer to the above question is because they don't have a set of balls either. they are always the ones talking $hi! but don't have the balls to play the A teams themselves. Oh well we shall see what happens could be interesting.
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| Bayrats
April 16, 2011
1:46:29 AM
Entry #: 3703240
| nobody on my team is scared to move to A. Its fucking softball. If I can recall, Timeout Tavern and AJs planned on moving up too. The problem is, nobody is moving down.
Solution: one league
You cant have teams move up if teams wont drop.
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| the pope
April 16, 2011
3:36:51 PM
Entry #: 3703465
| amen
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April 18, 2011
9:52:09 AM
Entry #: 3704389
| Hey Baymice! The idea is to separate teams based on their level of play. Don't hide behind the logic that just because a team doesn't move down you can't move up. If you are that determined to play better competition than volunteer to play A. I'm sure the A league would not turn you away. They are always looking for a few good teams!
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April 18, 2011
5:00:09 PM
Entry #: 3704939
| one league is the answer. win or lose who cares. this way everyone gets to know everyone. we are all here to have a good time right? beer, friends, and softball. no one is gonna remember who won the harborcreek modified league in 2011 20 yrs from now. well maybe eggs would lol
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| player
April 19, 2011
10:03:47 AM
Entry #: 3705516
| Eggs and crew remember how many hits they had in all championship games lol! they for sure remember who won all of them.
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| B Player...
April 19, 2011
12:44:01 PM
Entry #: 3705714
| All i want to say gomo....nobody is holding back this year... your getting our best lineup and we arn't going to stop running up the score i know its wrong but your right i do pay for my team to play but... You make it seem that anyone in B is not good enough to even have a shot at being in A my team isnt great but we are just as good as anyother team.... Every one can beat anyone... just like saying bonnells can never be beat... or dempsy baxter cant have a bad game once in awhile.... everyone has bad games and thats why it should be a 1 league... when u play the better teams ur game steps up makes u play better and make you a better player.... but theats my two scence....
so suck it up you will play alot of half games this year...
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| Eggs
April 19, 2011
3:34:53 PM
Entry #: 3705942
| I don't remember how many hits I had let alone your name.
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| John Miller AJ's
April 19, 2011
10:26:39 PM
Entry #: 3706335
| I want to first say that I brought this up at the meeting and not on the chatter board. I sign my name to what I say. Period. I brought up a subject that I felt should be talked about. Thats what is happening. If anyone takes it personally, that is a personal issue not a HC Modified issue.
Dewey and others have actually put some thought into the issue and progressed talks with ideas and pros and cons. I can appreciate their being open minded and not using the archaic "this is how its always been done" mentality. This is why the NFL is where it is. No one can agree because its about the few and not the masses.
For scheduling I say play A vs A 2x's each and A vs B 1x. Their is a zillion different ways to break ties so that is meaningless. As far as various days that you play. I get that. I personally did not think about that. which is why its a discussion worth having.
I recently practiced with groovys team and can say that there are a few guys that are exceptionally good ballplayers and honestly each of them would be the best player on AJ's team if they played with us. So does that change my opinion? No. I like the challenge. Competition is is good, builds character, relationships, etc. Its too easy nowadays to get by and not apply yourself to get better or to improve your team. shit we tell the kid who never practices that "its ok little jimmy, the kid who won was just born a better player, so heres your 5th place trophy, their are no losers" for gods sake gimme a break.
We played 6 or 7 one run games last year. So B is competitive for us for sure. So its not that I'm unhappy with that Division, I just dont want to play the same 7 teams 3 times. twice is enough and its good for the league as a whole if theirs interleague. The new pitching rules makes it more competitive than ever. If held to the standard in that handout then get ready for some long ass high scoring games. The days of having the dominant pitcher whom you cant touch is over. so anyone can beat anyone.
Someone had mentioned an all-star weekend. I think for this year to have a test model, we should have an A and B tourney. All 16 teams and a totally random draw. Lets see how many Wins and Losses their are for the B teams Vs A teams. If no B team beats an A team. Ill shut my mouth for good... ok we all know thats a lie
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| Free Advice
April 20, 2011
10:12:30 AM
Entry #: 3706576
| Don't trust the guy you mentioned in your rant John (and I don't mean Groove I mean the loser you mention before him)! And that's a fact!
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| player
April 20, 2011
1:26:36 PM
Entry #: 3706799
| sounds like somebody hating on Dewey...how come? he is just a big teddy bear
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| Dewey
April 25, 2011
1:49:16 AM
Entry #: 3709995
| ha, yeah thats it exactly. Didnt miss you last year buddy. Still posting with no name I see. I suggest you get all the posts in you can now, because soon you will be forced to post your name. As you all can tell, he isnt educated enough to come up with a coherent thought. But he has been that way all his life.
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| Dewey
April 25, 2011
1:52:42 AM
Entry #: 3709996
| So everybody knows, the interleague play was tabled until next year. The schedule has been released and it wont happen in 2011. There was no vote, just not enough support for it. I would have voted against it after hearing some of the arguements. However, for the B teams who want to play the A teams.........you can always set up a scrimmage and test the waters that way. Just a thought.
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| Bayrats
April 25, 2011
3:46:25 PM
Entry #: 3710494
| Gene's preseason tourney is a good chance to play some A teams. Had my share of beatings in it, but it always helped early in season. When i played for Unifirst we lost 3 games in tourney and started out season 5-0. Playing better teams helps.
As far as interleague goes, if we started this discussion after last season, maybe we could have done something. Too late this year, but it should def. be brought up for next year.
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