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TOPIC: Botelho Insurance = 0-6 |
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| Smitty77
May 17, 2011
11:10:08 PM
Entry #: 3727939
| Tonight I received a call from players on my team informing me that one of our new players is illegal. I never officially made sure that Josh Woodard knew about our rules in Coventry. He has played in EP for a few years and he played there three times this year.
Click here for Josh’s EP stats
I believe he wants to play in Coventry, since he lives here now, and will be officially quitting EP. I am waiting for official word from him on his decision.
The by-law clearly reads that “XVIII. Any team using an illegal player or players forfeits all games in which the player or players were used.” Therefore, we are now 0-6 and the Wyld Stallions have received two wins and Crowe Bar has received one win.
The League has never had a player caught during the season. The year JR’s was caught came at the end of the regular season, right before playoffs and their record was changed and they were removed from playoffs.
I believe that if the player commits to play in Coventry and quits the other team, he can remain. The EP website is easy to track and I have included Josh’s page in this post so you can all check on him this year. If he plays another game in EP later this season (before our regular season ends), we will once again lose all games he participates in between now and that date. If he chooses to stay in EP, he will be removed from my roster.
This would be my interpretation of the rule for all teams and all players. I ran this scenario by Josh Dionne without names and teams involved. He agreed that this is the proper interpretation. The goal of the League has always been to include players that want to play here.
As of now, Josh Woodard is allowed to stay, as a first year player from this point forward, but may not participate in any other leagues. If he does, we will forfeit all games.
If anyone feels this interpretation is incorrect, please call me and we can discuss/schedule a league meeting for voting. If I don’t hear anything before Saturday, the ruling stands and he plays on Sunday. I’m sure we will officially work the by-laws to cover this scenario before next year.
This is a first for me and obviously it involves my team, which makes it more difficult.
In conclusion, we are 0-6 and I apologize for the error. I hope that I have done everything to properly correct the mistake as manager and President.
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| LEMDAWG8
May 18, 2011
9:06:40 AM
Entry #: 3728067
| Speaking of JRs who wrote that letter?
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| OTR_31
May 18, 2011
10:06:55 AM
Entry #: 3728130
| Pretty stand-up thing to do, Commish.
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
10:38:08 AM
Entry #: 3728173
| The commish is falling on his sword here but in reality the problem started with me not having the right information to give him. First, I didn't know Josh was playing in another league and didn't tell him that he couldn't. My misunderstanding of the exemption rules led me to believe that even if he was playing in another league it wouldn't matter as we could just make him an exempt player. Even after finding out yesterday that he was playing in EP it took having someone else there to point out that he was illegal. This whole mess and the 0-6 record is 100% my fault for not knowing the rules and for not explaining them to Josh. The commish is an innocent victim and the coach of a last place team now. Josh shouldn't get any of the blame either....if any of you have met or spoken to him- you probably detected that he is pretty slow....last in line for brains if you know what I am saying....
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| Guvna14
May 18, 2011
10:38:30 AM
Entry #: 3728175
| He acted as president first before a teammate....it was the right thing to do....sorry that it happened.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
11:02:07 AM
Entry #: 3728198
| yes i return to smack .... i just talked to the vp about this topic we are prolly gonna have a meeting .... this happened to our team in 2009 .... we didnt get losses so i dont think botelho should get losses either .... the player in question jmac wasnt allowed to play in coventry .... same situation here .... why punish a whole team for the mistake of one guy ..... this will stop guys from sneaking in the back door .... if the team knew about it then its a different story .
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
11:24:32 AM
Entry #: 3728223
| The guy who was illegal didn't even know. I brought him in and have been in this league for 14 years and had no idea. If anyone goes it should be me. Of course keeping me and my .187 average might be punishment enough for them.
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| Smitty77
May 18, 2011
11:42:49 AM
Entry #: 3728250
| Artie,
The two situations are different. Your player, Jared Macdonald played in 12 games for you and then you requested he be removed from the roster on 6/2.
When you made the request, you stated that he had decided to play in another league, and so you needed him removed before he did that and became illegal. The request was granted. Apparently, based on what you just said, he was playing all along and you did not provide me with accurate information. Which is why you didn't take the losses. It was believed that nothing illegal occurred. It sounds different now.
I want the player to remain on my team and he does as well. You wanted to get rid of the player.
Once again, this situation has never happened before. I still believe there is no other solution and no meeting is required.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
12:01:29 PM
Entry #: 3728274
| def let you know as soon as i found out about jasan mac . think it was brought up at a meeting too ... def didnt twist anything bc i called you the second i found out right in front of ricky keenan ...ricky was the one who told me jmac was playing in another league .... maybe you misunderstood all the more reason things like this should be voted on at a meeting
we should have a meeting bc we need to decide as a league as we have done every time in the past ..... we have get some senses of what to do if it happens again .... we always have decided things like this at a meeting
the bylaw is clear that a guy cant play in another league ..... hes played in another league so hes illegal .... the managers have always voted to decide on things like this .... im sorry its not your decision to decision to decide
we are due for a meeting next week anyhow push it up a week
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| Smitty77
May 18, 2011
12:12:27 PM
Entry #: 3728294
| two questions
1. Why am do we have a board? Every time there is an issue my decision isn't good enough and Artie calls a meeting. I believe that we are voted into our positions because we have the league's best interests in mind. But then we are never trusted to make any decisions.
Furthermore, as you are the only one who has voiced displeasure up until now, when I call this meeting. And no one cares to show up except for you me dionne dolan chip and two or three others its a waste of everyones time.
2. If we meet on Monday what does Josh do this Sunday?
and do you honestly think that I wouldn't have wiped out your wins if you told me he was playing in another league. stop the charade, you lied in 2009. Me and everyone else in the league would have loved taking your wins away.
you specifically said that you were being honest and didn't want you team to lose games because he decided that he was "going" to play somewhere else so you wanted your roster adjusted before you lost games.....please just stop
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
12:35:32 PM
Entry #: 3728324
| he should sit until the league not his coach decides .... hes the one whos in violatiin of the rules its his problem not ours
like i saaid you should have brought jmac up at meeting and discussed it in detail .... we were expecting losses ask the guys we had a meeting after a game about it ... as we should with this
u do realize im defending your losses
open the rosters i dont give a fuck bring who you want
i only ask for meetings when we have issues we have voted on in the past
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| Smitty77
May 18, 2011
12:39:30 PM
Entry #: 3728330
| riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
you told the truth and i didn't act on it.
hilarious
i want the losses and the player on my team. its about more than wins and losses for me.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
12:40:28 PM
Entry #: 3728332
| KAAAAAAAABBBBBBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM !!!! HERES ANOTHER REASON FOR A MEETING ....IM TOLD AT LEAST TWO OTHER TEAM ARE CHEATING TOO SO NOW YOU GO LOOK AT ROSTERS AND I WILL SEE YOU AT THE MEETING MONDAY !!!! TRUE SORY WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT ?
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| Ronnie G
May 18, 2011
12:44:05 PM
Entry #: 3728336
| Sounds fair to me, it sucks the team has to take a fall for one guys mistake, but it happens and you live and die as a team.
I think the ruling is fair.
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| Nate Daggett
May 18, 2011
12:50:21 PM
Entry #: 3728346
| Just let the kid play with no losses for Botehlo. It is slow pitch softball not the majors.
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| Smitty77
May 18, 2011
12:51:29 PM
Entry #: 3728348
| report the cheating teams. im not calling a meeting on speculation.
when i started everyone wanted less meetings. so that's what im trying to do, solve problems without meetings.
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| Smitty77
May 18, 2011
12:56:17 PM
Entry #: 3728353
| oh and im not checking every roster in the state.
if someone finds a player cheating, let me know and then ill investigate.
since i don't have the power to rule fairly, im not wasting my time searching rosters for more work.
and don't forget, elections are in august
maybe sooner since im getting sick of the bull shit. its a pointless job. all the work, all the complaints, no pay, and no power. i say that because its the truth, not because i want any sympathy or thanks. just the truth.
and for the record...still only have one complaint on my ruling.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
1:08:40 PM
Entry #: 3728367
| NOT A RAT IM ALL FOR THE CHEATERS AND OPEN ROSTERS
CAN YOU AT LEAST AGREE THE BYLAW SAYS ..... NO NEW PLAYER CAN PLAY IN ANOTHER LEAGUE .... NOT 1 NOT 2 NOT 20 GAMES .... HES PLAYED IN ANOTHER LEAGUE THIS YEAR .... SO HES ILLEGAL .... SORRY BUT THATS WHAT THE RULE IS .... LMK IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING AND VOTE LIKE WE HAVE FOR 40 YEARS
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| DUTILLY
May 18, 2011
1:08:59 PM
Entry #: 3728368
| artie..zip it..the only reason u dont want us to take the loses is now u have no shot to finish 5-8 and get 2 exempt players....by the way where u would u fit 2 exempt players? oh yea u could fit them seeing 3 guys quit ur team already
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
1:14:38 PM
Entry #: 3728372
| YEP ITS GONNA BE TOUGH
QUITTERS SUCK
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| Dionne
May 18, 2011
2:25:35 PM
Entry #: 3728458
| Artie and I talked this morning, right after I talked to Lb4Lb. I did agree with Artie about having a meeting to discuss things but I don't think it's necessary.
The by laws are to vague about it. One says you cannot play in another league as a first year player and another one says if you're playing in another league, as a first year player,that's not listed as an exempt player then you forfeit any games played in Coventry, also known as the Dutilly rule.
No where does it say how to punish this player or what is fair for the team. If he quits East Providence then all is well, take the 6 losses best you can and move on. He may have screwed up but I'm sure he's going to have a hard time showing up this Sunday morning know he cost his team.
Smitty has won the league director of the year the past 2 years I believe. Him, myself, Dolan and Chip this year have done alot for Smitty to help him run things. He deals with everyone's bullshit, some more than others. If someone else were to run this league, it would go down hill dramatically. Decision's been made, it's over. Now we deal with it after the season when by laws are back open. We re-write the laws this effects and done.
.188 is the man.
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| Lags
May 18, 2011
2:36:38 PM
Entry #: 3728478
| we could just make this league a kickball league.. can't really cheat at kickball.. plus I am nasty at it..
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| Ryno34
May 18, 2011
2:54:05 PM
Entry #: 3728495
| We can play kickball. I have a nicely shaved steel toe boot. Gets an extra 4-5 feet on my kicks.
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| Ryno34
May 18, 2011
2:55:50 PM
Entry #: 3728498
| If you know someone is cheating or has illegal players then put it out there for the league board to review. This fuckin' board is becoming an Oprah episode.
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
3:05:19 PM
Entry #: 3728508
| My concern is not what other teams are playing with illegal player but that we are not. What's right is right and we (me more accurately) screwed up. I have heard from many teammates and ALL would prefer to have Josh on the team and take the losses than have him leave and be 3-3. This includes the elder statesman Crazy Eyes. I think the forfeits are fair and we should suck it up and play better than we have. First step in that direction would be benching .188.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
3:12:10 PM
Entry #: 3728520
| one he has played in another league rhis year so he cant play in our league this year .... thats what the bylaw says .... he made the mistake his bad not ours .... THERE IS NO GREY ITS BLACK SND WHITE
the other thing is our pres and vp dont decide punishments and never have in 40 years or whatever the years the league has been running .... so tell me why this is a special case
we vote as a league in everything .... read the bylaws
we are due to have a meeting move it up a week and do what we have done for 40 years and what are bylaws say we should do
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
3:16:24 PM
Entry #: 3728525
| I think if it gets put to a vote it would overwhelmingly be he stays and we take the losses. If however, the bylaws clearly state he can't play then that is it. I do question the motivation here....Is this just a pissing contest or are we looking to do the right thing?
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
3:21:07 PM
Entry #: 3728530
| heres the thing, i dont buy the whole i didnt know the rule and its my fault, how long you been playing in this league brian? and how many years have we been fighting this fuckin exemtion rule? i call bullshit, someone called you guys out on it and smitty did the right thing, forfeited the 6 games he played in because thats the rule, the player is illegal, per OUR rule. thats the fucking rules guys, when you break the rules, you are a cheater, thats the rule, maybe you fucking guys should stop whining about bats and stop cheating yourselves, read the bylaw, if a player as a first year coventry player plays in any other league, you are an illegal player and must be marked exempt, its crystal fucking clear, he is an illegal player, whats the need for a ruling? ILLEGAL! I REALLY CANT BELEIVE THAT OF ALL PEOPLE BRIAN STEVENS IS GOING TO TAKE THE BLAME FOR THIS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE LEAGUE IS ON THE TEAM AND HE DIDNT THINK TO ASK ABOUT AN ILLEGAL PLAYER, ERNIE, DUTILLY, CONSTADINE, LB4LB , NOBODY?? YOU GUYS ARE EITHER NAIVE, OR JUST PLAIN DUMB! I THINK SMITTY DID THE RITE THING AND PAYED THE CONSEQUENCES, IF HE DOESNT QUIT EP, HE IS ILLEGAL, IF HE DOES QUIT EP, HE IS ILLEGAL AND HAS ALREADY BROKE THE BYLAW, THE END!
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
3:24:10 PM
Entry #: 3728534
| VI. Player Eligibility: Players that plays in the CMSL are not permitted to play in any other softball or baseball league in which rosters and schedules are maintained during the course of the season unless the player has played (1) year in the CMSL starting with the previous year. Players who have had a plate appearance in at least eight (8) games the previous year are eligible to play outside of the league the next year. Playoff games are not considered part of the regular season and once the regular season has concluded, a player will be permitted to play in other leagues and will have his commitment to this league fulfilled.
there it is ..... hes alreasy played in EP so he cant play in our league
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
3:29:25 PM
Entry #: 3728539
| do i have to cut and paste the duties of the president .. vp and how we decide things in our league WTF .... sorry you guys are in a figure position and basicly ambassadors for the league .... the managers are reps of the players on the teams and they handle any punishments sorry you guys are wrong
also sorry for my spelling and grammar ect im on a iphone and have chubby fingers
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
3:31:09 PM
Entry #: 3728540
| This is the truth- Ian had not idea that Josh was playing in EP and thought that I was familiar enough with the rules to not bring a guy who was playing in another league to the team. I didn't know that he was still playing in EP and never told him that he couldn't because I didn't know that he would be illegal. It was brought to my attention last night that he was illegal and Ian was notified. After some loud words and a nasty text he did the right thing. If the bylaws say he can't play (I have never seen them and obviously have no idea about them) then he can't. He just wants to do what is right and is going to quit if that is what is decided. This really was my fault. I never asked if he was playing in EP and never told him he couldn't. Nobody intentionally cheated in this case but cheating is cheating. I AM ALSO ALMOST AS SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THE BATS AS YOU GUYS ARE AND HOPE I NEVER HEAR ANOTHER ACCUSATION AGAIN!!!!
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
3:40:09 PM
Entry #: 3728549
| Josh is not guilty of being sneaky or dishonest....just dumb.
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
3:40:46 PM
Entry #: 3728550
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| Nate_6
May 18, 2011
4:53:55 PM
Entry #: 3728612
| If we switch to kickball. demonti cant play. he has already stated he shaves his balls therefore making him a cheater.
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
5:04:20 PM
Entry #: 3728619
| well if thats the case bry i apologize, mistakes are made everyday and of all people in the league or on your team for that matter i honestly beleive you. if i was a manager i would vote that if he quit ep then he should be allowed to play in cov. but step back now as a player in the league with no vote and this instance involved you as a player in the league, stipulations and the bending of the rules would also have to apply to you and the rest of the players playing ILLEGALLY in the league to have the same bending and breaking of the laws set upon the league, everybody knows the exemption rule and if you dont then maybe its time to pay a little more attention to the rules of the league you play in, as to not cost the rest of the players on your team for ones mistake. i may not totally agree with the rule, i def think it needs to be looked at for sure, but im not sure midseason is the time for it, and the rules been enforced on other teams over the years and all of the sudden now we dont enforce it? listen guys, if you want our league to be as reputable and strong as it is, know the rules and enforce them equally.
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| Dionne
May 18, 2011
5:05:06 PM
Entry #: 3728620
| Funny how the guy who's quoting the by laws is the same one who breaks them on purpose cause he's not happy with them. Like not lining the fields.
If he quits E.P. and plays only in Coventry, fine, if he plays in E.P. then he's gone from Coventry. Either way the games he has played in this season are considered losses.
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
5:06:44 PM
Entry #: 3728621
| fuck you nate, ill kick your balls!!!
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
5:25:28 PM
Entry #: 3728646
| VP so your saying we should pick and choose what bylaws we enforce depending on whos breaking them ?
read the bylaw slowly .... any first year player CANNOT play in another leafue .... hes already played in EP so he not eligible to play in coventry .... the rule is clear
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| Fat Stallyn
May 18, 2011
6:46:07 PM
Entry #: 3728735
| Agreed, it does say he can't play in any other league but he is rectifying that situation by withdrawing from the EP league so he's no longer breaking the rule and they have resolved the issue of him playing in EP prior by forfeiting those games. It doesn't appear to be that black and white to me, seems like a gray area, I would be in favor of a league meeting to vote on this.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
7:00:07 PM
Entry #: 3728745
| i agree ws 2000 if he gets 2/3 votes like the bylaw says so be it .... thats what it takes to change a bylaw
disagree that its grey area but as stated above it should go to a league vote and be decided that way
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
7:19:26 PM
Entry #: 3728763
| how about letting our board which we appointed and voted to make these decisions for us make a ruling, after reading the bylaw, if he is no longer playing in ep then he isnt breaking the rule, ws 2000 is correct, arty do you really want this guy to be banned from our league, is that what cov mens softball all about? they took the 6 losses and i think thats a severe but reputable punishment and im sure the league will agree. cmon, what if you had not known back in the day that espo or gt or playa wasnt sure on a rule and you had to forfeit 6 games and on top of that you lost one of those guys for the season, would you want the league to vote on that, because im pretty sure they would nail your ass to the wall for sure. i think our vp dionne should handle this with smitty stepping away because of the conflict of interest with it being his player and have the board figure this out without a fucking war, have a little bit of compassion for the player here, fuck the botehlos team lol, jk, and let our appointed guys do their jobs, decide whats best for the league and in the off season fix whats wrong with the laws, if you dont like the decisions our board makes then dont fuckin vote for them, i honestly think they do a great job, did they fuck up, yes, did they take the punishment, yes, do we throw players out of the league for it, cmon, ofcourse not, this is a sunday morning rec league guys, remember. and arty, just because you wanted to wait till week 15 to throw the letter in the mail and didnt get to, dont hate on one player.
cant we all just get along lol
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
7:26:16 PM
Entry #: 3728773
| and yes i know, my posts were very contradicting, but after thinking about it, just like the grinch, that motherfucker ended up having a heart too lol
let em play if he quits.
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
7:33:02 PM
Entry #: 3728777
| Well said Mike.
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
7:34:27 PM
Entry #: 3728780
| well it just seems that everytime something like this come up, the game of softball gets forgotten, and thats a shame.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
7:41:49 PM
Entry #: 3728783
| oh shit demo sobered up .... go drink some tigers blood
the biggest point im trying to make is we cant have twol sets of rules no matter if a guys sucks or not ..... what if this were kirby ? we have meetung and discuss the topics ... then we vote .... thats how its been and thats how it should be for everyone not a different set of rules bc its smitty
meeting .... discuss the topic .... vote .....thats how we have done tbings for 40 years
deciding the fate of his team in private with the VP isnt how we have ever done business and frankly ir is a gross abuse of power
im protesting im hokding my stats back until this gets dealt with in the right way and im using trump softballs this weekend .... if we are gonna throw out one bylaw lets throw them all out
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
7:46:07 PM
Entry #: 3728791
| arty, i didnt sober up, and if this was kirby and he quit his other leagues and was true to cov for one year, you can bet he would be allowed to play. so if adonas dna is what is required in a sunday morning rec league and it goes to a vote, guess what arty, the league, WINNING!
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| Fat Stallyn
May 18, 2011
7:50:23 PM
Entry #: 3728793
| I doubt abuse of power includes closing this issue with "If anyone feels this interpretation is incorrect, please call me and we can discuss/schedule a league meeting for voting. If I don’t hear anything before Saturday, the ruling stands and he plays on Sunday. I’m sure we will officially work the by-laws to cover this scenario before next year."
It's not an abuse of power, he's giving us the forum (in this case, these forums) to discuss this further before dragging 12 managers into a meeting to vote. The league has your opinion, let's let some other teams express their opinion(s) and then the board can determine our next course of action. I have faith in our board to do the right thing.
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
7:54:53 PM
Entry #: 3728795
| WELL SAID STALLION
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
8:01:13 PM
Entry #: 3728803
| Why not take an informal public opinion survey? I don't see a clear policy in the bylaws saying what to do in this situation. It says he can't play if he plays in EP....it says nothing about a ban if he stops playing.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
8:25:49 PM
Entry #: 3728820
| guys this isnt what the league has ever done so why change now .... heres a portionb of the bylaws read this part and tell me we dont have to vote
ws 2000 weve cut meetings down to almost none so in cases that bylaws are broke we shouldnt complain ... but read this
. By-Laws Reign Supreme: The Coventry Men’s Softball League (CMSL) is structured upon the guidelines set forth in Roberts Rules of Order (Newly Revised 10th Edition) for parliamentary procedure. The CMSL’s by-laws are to be considered the Supreme Law of the Land in reference to all matters concerning the CMSL. In any instance that shall arise, the by-laws expressed here within shall supersede any other rules associated with this organization, including but not limited to the USSSA Softball Rules and Roberts Rules of Order.
A)The by-laws are the governing rules of the entire structure of the CMSL, and due to the extreme serious nature of this principle, there shall be no changes made to any by-law unless it is done at a meeting by a two thirds (2/3) majority vote of ALL eligible voting members. Any meeting where a by-law is scheduled to be added, amended or removed, adequate notice shall be provided to ALL voting members. Adequate notice shall be at least one (1) week in advance of the meeting and shall be done by posting the meeting on the league website at www.leaguelineup.com/coventry and by calling each voting member (manager) and making them aware of the purpose of said meeting. Any amendment to, addition or subtraction of any by-law must be recorded by the secretary. The secretary must then amend, add or subtract said by-law.
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
8:31:57 PM
Entry #: 3728824
| ok arty, its official, you are the osama bin laden of cmsl, therefore proclaiming you the king, of douchedom that is. lol. why cant all managers vote here now on this site, as said in the by law, www.leaguelineup/coventry.com??????
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
8:34:21 PM
Entry #: 3728828
| and heres the presidents and vp's duties
A) The President’s duties defined: The president is the presiding officer at all meetings unless he designates the Vice-President to do so or is absent.
i) Calls the meetings to order and determines if a quorum is present.
ii) The President reads his report and then motions that the membership accepts president’s report as being read.
iii) Asks the other officers to read their reports and motions that the membership accepts reports as being read.
iv) Brings new business or unfinished business before the membership.
v) Recognizes those whom are entitled to the floor and those whom are not.
vi) Presents all legitimate motions before the membership.
vii) Enforces all rules of debates and discussions.
viii) Calls votes on all questions and announces the results.
ix) Rules on improper motions.
x) Asks questions on motions that he feels have not been adequately addressed by membership or omitted.
xi) Concludes meeting and announces adjourned when voted on by the membership.
xii) May appoint members from the chair to committees and sub-committees.
B) The Vice-President’s duties defined: The Vice President shall be responsible for scheduling of all league games, securing permits for fields, securing insurance for the league, purchasing of balls and/or equipment for the league and chairing all active committees and sub-committees. The Vice-President shall be able to appoint committees and sub-committees at his discretion.
no power to make these decisions at all they are basicly glorified secretaries .... im done arguing today my protest begins tommorrow i need all the rest i can get
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
8:34:26 PM
Entry #: 3728829
| I agree with voting on changing a bylaw but this seems to me to involve interpretation of a bylaw. Why not vote on it though? I think at least 3/4 of managers would vote to have things remain as they are.
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| DUTILLY
May 18, 2011
8:35:13 PM
Entry #: 3728830
| If there is a meeting for this can we add a vote to have artie thrown out of the league? im pretty sure that vote would be 15-1
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
8:36:56 PM
Entry #: 3728832
| osama
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| Stevens 4
May 18, 2011
8:38:36 PM
Entry #: 3728836
| It would be interesting to see a vote on the Josh issue. At least you could get an idea of where managers stand.
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
8:38:47 PM
Entry #: 3728837
| have the vp motion it to a vote hahahahaha, just make sure the president is absent, the vp runs the meeting, have jeff second it, done deal. osama is out.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
8:40:47 PM
Entry #: 3728839
| we should have a vote but a vote to change bylaws takes place in a formal meeting and there is a discussion before hand and every manager puts in a opinion and then we vote .... thats how we do it and my point all along has been this should have been taken to a meeting.
demo not bin laden more like kaiser soze
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
8:43:39 PM
Entry #: 3728845
| dionne can appoint the sub commitee to throw osama out of the league, ill head it, dutilly will vp the sub commitee, im pretty sure smitty will second it, 15 to 1, josh stays arty stays lol, i mean osama bin arty. hahahahahahaa
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
8:44:33 PM
Entry #: 3728846
| dutilly you prolly told the kid to play in EP and he would never get caught
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| Ryno34
May 18, 2011
8:47:14 PM
Entry #: 3728848
| So what is your argument Artie? You are looking for a 2/3 vote, but as you just posted the 2/3 to change bylaws. But then you say the bylaws are black and white there is no grey area. So what is it you want? The guy is illegal. Botelhos takes 6 losses.
And you can put the 40 year argument back in your pocket. This league has progressed and adapted to the times. Even through your own involvement to bring in USSSA. If you want the 40 year old rules back then put the VFW back on the front of your jersey, bring back the residency rules, drop your ringers that don't reside in Coventry, and go back to playing ASA in the shithole fields.
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
8:49:59 PM
Entry #: 3728852
| heres a question, after your done with your meeting arty and you lose and the player stays, is there gonna be softball played? or are you gonna petition the mlbacmsl players association to strike??? cuz im pretty sure it will be you, yourself and bin ladens bullet ridden corpse at the protest, im fucking playing softball and thats that.
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
8:51:16 PM
Entry #: 3728853
| "HERES THE GOOD NEWS IF I REALIZE THAT IM ISANE , THEN IM OKAY WITH THAT , IM NOT DANGEROUS INSANE "
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
8:55:46 PM
Entry #: 3728855
| ryno im trying to say we have a order of operations and they werent followed .... maybe he gets to play maybe he doesnt but thats for the league to decide not smitty and dione
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
8:58:31 PM
Entry #: 3728859
| order of operatios, exponents, parethesis, multiplication/division left to right, addition/subtraction left to right, simplify, = king of douchedom lol
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
9:01:34 PM
Entry #: 3728861
| insane is the doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome, its always the same outcome, you against the world! you are insane
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
9:01:49 PM
Entry #: 3728862
| lets go get some jaeger bombs with robin and juan and talk about it some more .... what the record for posts in a day ?
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
9:04:06 PM
Entry #: 3728864
| only if you can convince robin to throw me out of her truck at 40 at ravenwood on sunday after beating me with a tire iron hahahaahahahaahahahahaa
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
9:09:28 PM
Entry #: 3728867
| def one of the funniest nights ever .... i still got the pic .... it comes up on my phone whenever you call me
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
9:10:58 PM
Entry #: 3728868
| funnier then the shit i pulled on collin lol
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
9:12:30 PM
Entry #: 3728869
| remember, roger needed a cot too, that deaf fuck lol
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| OSS
May 18, 2011
9:15:51 PM
Entry #: 3728870
| both were funny but robin takes it .... "i want you to hit me with a tire iron , then flick the tip of my cock "
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| DeMonti
May 18, 2011
9:17:36 PM
Entry #: 3728871
| hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaaha, hey robin, you wanna make out hahahahahahahaaa
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| tuck00
May 18, 2011
9:31:46 PM
Entry #: 3728882
| This is a fucking softball league. We are not paid to play. Who really gives a shit if this kid plays or not. They took the forfeits and if the kid decides to quit EP why shouldn't he be allowed to play in Coventry, fuck the 40 yr old rule.
He is not a ringer, nothing personal but look up his prior 2 yrs stats in EP.
If people do not trust Ian or have faith in what he or the board does, do him/them a favor and impeach him/them.
Ian and the board do a great job with this league and there is no doubt if they all resign this league is done within 2 yrs because it will not run.
I read people pretty well and Ian is not a liar or an unfair person.
I see Artie's point but I can pretty much guarantee all a vote does is give us a 15-1 vote for Ian and the boards decision.
They took the forfeits and if the kid quits EP LET HIM PLAY, LET HIM PLAY, LET HIM PLAY
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| tuck00
May 18, 2011
9:36:33 PM
Entry #: 3728886
| BTW Stevens shits himself and therefore should get a pass. He probably had just shit himself when he asked the kid to play and was too busy to remember the rules
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| Stevens 4
May 19, 2011
8:11:28 AM
Entry #: 3729076
| I appreciate the thought Tuck but my lack of bowel control can't be an excuse for this fuck up. I think the punishment fits the crime and we can probably start having fun again. I can see Artie's argument about voting for sure. I only disagree that there is no room for interpretation in the bylaws. The vote would almost certainly go down 15-1 as you said but I think his argument was that there should be a vote. Hell- the vote might even be 16-0.
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| Stevens 4
May 19, 2011
8:12:17 AM
Entry #: 3729077
| Really this whole situation was just a conspiracy to revitalize the website. Josh doesn't even exist.
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| OSS
May 19, 2011
9:55:42 AM
Entry #: 3729166
| in closing i may have gone on a charlie sheen type rant but i never said my communication skills were great .... the two points i was trying to make were .... one we have bylaws meetings votes ect they should be observed and no one man rules the league or ever has .... two the bylaws are there for a reason and should be the same for everyone no matter who they are or their skill level
stevens you are a smart man ... i will try to get the nomads to come to indigo to celebrate woodcocks 16-0 vote .... be warned that diablo may show up around 5
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| lb4lb-7
May 19, 2011
10:06:11 AM
Entry #: 3729176
| A. Josh bascially stinks and we would never try to sneak him in. B. Hes dumber than a Prata. C. It was indeed Stevens fault followed by me in fault for not pounding through Josh's cement head that he had to quit EP. The SECOND..and I mean the SECOND...we found out..and me and Stevens found out at exactly the same time..I called Ian. And , you know the rest. D. Artie is asking for a meeting? Well, to me, in the age of texting and websites...the meeting has been held and the voice of the league has been heard. Ian couldnt be more popular, well liked and respected had he killed Bin Laden all by himself. You know why? Because he has integrity and his reputation for being fair and is beyond reproach. So, while I say that Artie usually has well thought out arguements ,,,he has made his case and has been shouted down. Baxter had meetings in 1970 because there was no internet. The league has basically voted 299-1 to agree with whatver Ian and Josh decide...and it was a team/ board decision...and going forward I propose that midseason decisions are left to the discretion of the board of directors. All in favor say AYE!
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| lb4lb-7
May 19, 2011
10:09:38 AM
Entry #: 3729182
| to clarify: Josh WOODARD stinks. I know many of you read " Josh stinks "and thought Josh Dionne immediately. Folled by Josh Duquette. Well they stink too but in this case its Lantern Lane Josh. He cant catch he cant throw he can hit it far of and when he hits it . He is only on the team because he lives next door to Stevens and Stevens occasionally needs a ride home.
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| lb4lb-7
May 19, 2011
10:13:21 AM
Entry #: 3729187
| And....Demonti is the rockem sockem best poster ever. No matter the subject. Its amazing: despite his Buddy Holly look and penchant excess imbibing he is always funny and often brilliant. Give him his own column.
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| Stevens 4
May 19, 2011
10:17:52 AM
Entry #: 3729190
| Josh does stink at softball. If you look at his stats he has always stunk. He has never even hit .500 in his life! He also fields worse than he hits and I am going to go out on a limb here and say that he fields worse than I do! I hope to see you all at Indigo Sunday so Josh can buy us all a round of drinks for the aggravation he has put everyone through. He should buy Ian a fucking car.
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| OSS
May 19, 2011
10:18:00 AM
Entry #: 3729191
| ahh another peckerhead who says one thing in private and stays on the politicly correct in public .... rubbah4rubbah
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| Stevens 4
May 19, 2011
10:34:24 AM
Entry #: 3729211
| I would love to be a fly on the wall and hear what Lb4Lb "REALLY" thinks of me...hahahahahaha!
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| Fat Stallyn
May 19, 2011
11:00:10 AM
Entry #: 3729229
| If I'm reading Ian's comments correctly above Artie, you told the whole league one story and posted another so watch those hypocrite zingers.
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| lb4lb-7
May 19, 2011
11:23:03 AM
Entry #: 3729251
| dont F with a wild horse Artie !!!!
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| OTR_31
May 19, 2011
11:47:15 AM
Entry #: 3729269
| I can't help but point out that some of the 12 or so guys that have posted in this topic (myself included) are not team/league representatives, and the opinions presented in this thread are just that.
If there's to be an online/text/meeting vote or whatever, the only opinions that matter are those of the captains (Piasczyk, Saballa, Leaman, Beverly, Hall, DelPadre, Dugas, Ranney, etc.) in addition to the few captains that have posted in here (Artie, Ian, Dionne).
The SMACK board is fun and all, but it's not where league issues should be decided. Hell, half the league doesn't even check this website!
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| Nate_6
May 19, 2011
12:14:23 PM
Entry #: 3729293
| I like the presidents descision. Why make people league officials if they can't make rulings on their own? You can't have the inmates running the asylum. Issue should be dead now. They took the losses,the guy is going to play within the rules. Bothello will probably still finish top 4 even taking the 6 losses. Time to move on. Go back to making threats to me or just ridicule me some more. At least that is entertaining.
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| Stevens 4
May 19, 2011
12:17:54 PM
Entry #: 3729299
| I don't think anything was decided here. If a vote is necessary do it but don't make the guy sit out a week if it is going to be voted that he can stay. I think the point was that you don't need to be at the PNA to conduct league business in 2011.
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| OTR_31
May 19, 2011
12:48:35 PM
Entry #: 3729332
| This is true, Nate but I don't represent my team on league matters, nor do many of the guys posting in this thread. I'm just an a-hole with an opinion!
Only captains and league official's opinions matter here. That's my only point.
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| Nate Daggett
May 19, 2011
12:54:11 PM
Entry #: 3729338
| Until most of you learn how to spell or even read at a second grade level I suggest we let the four league officers decide. Jesus I think I actually get dumber reading most of the bullshit you assholes spew out of your mouths.
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| Ryno34
May 19, 2011
4:55:00 PM
Entry #: 3729577
| Are you implying that the league board has made it to a third grade reading level?
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| lb4lb-7
May 19, 2011
5:44:43 PM
Entry #: 3729616
| for the record angerboy, I talked to the prez and gave my unsolicited opinion in your defense. He said " thanks for your input, Bob. You are a valued memeber of the league and I will give your thoughts extra consideration . Thank you." Then I called Josh on your behalf Arthur. I said " Josh, i wanna talk about arties thoughts.." " Lb4lb, Fuck OFF "...so, see, I tried. The league generals made an a well thought out executive decision and I think the entire league is on board with them. This was not a unilateral decision made by the president as you suggest.
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| Dionne
May 19, 2011
8:58:42 PM
Entry #: 3729748
| It wasn't so much of a "fuck off" as it was beating a dead horse. Between all the website banter, texts, and phone calls I recieved and made yesterday that when I heard from Lb4Lb I was definitely burnt out from talking about this. Smitty left the option for a meeting. All some certain manager had to do was call Ian, tell him his thoughts and ask for the meeting. No one did. He's done with East Providence, playing strictly in Coventry, losses are in, damage is done till by laws get re-opened at the end of the season.
Just wanted to say that when I first started in this league and Baxter was president, everyone moaned and groaned about too many meetings and wasting time. When Smitty took over, everyone was on board with lesser meetings and depending on the board members to make sure everything is done to make the league better. Baxter would've done something similiar just based on the premise that the season has started meaning the by laws are done until the end of the season.
Everyone reads the website but not everyone posts on it. I agree with you Ryno about progress, I agree with Daggett about the spelling errors hahah and Lb4Lb still is a valuable asset to this league. On more than one occassion I personally ask his opinion or guidance on issues. Good luck everyone this weekend. Where's Mac's predictions for this week???
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| RLeaman_24
May 19, 2011
9:41:37 PM
Entry #: 3729785
| As the Manager and voting member of the Rock House/Invaders i fully agree with the board if he quits EP he can stay in coventry. Dont think we need a meeting let managers vote here on site
Vote for quit EP and stay
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| lawnman
May 20, 2011
6:18:49 AM
Entry #: 3729929
| ok being around quite awhile myself this hasnt happened many times , but when it did ,it happened to a team i was on,the team loses all games said player was in and he can play for which team he wants but must quit one .we lost a playoff spot due to this bylaw .if u want my vote here let him play here if he quits ep.i really dont see what the question is the board ruled on a bylaw thats cut and dry ,so be it .
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| George Costanza
May 30, 2011
10:28:50 AM
Entry #: 3736067
| Who moves from EP to Coventry.... Pfff... Team should be penalized just for that alone!
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| Unclemertog
June 1, 2011
5:43:39 PM
Entry #: 3737683
| Wow that made for some real interesting reading. Just to throw my two cents in, as the person who wrote the by-laws and researched Roberts Rules of Order, I believe that the correct interpretation of the rules was enforced. Botelho's is issued the penalty of forfeiting 6 games. The only question becomes is the player eligible to play? The answer is yes if he quits the other league and meets the requirements of the league. In addition if he is an exempt player and an exempt spot is open he can be incorporated as an exempt. If no exempt spot is open he must either quit EP or Coventry that is the only two options. In either scenario the team still has to forfeit the six games. The rule is not meant to keep players from playing in Coventry that would defeat the purpose of having a league, the rule is in place to keep teams from filling their rosters with ringers and not having to use exempt spots on them. It's pretty cut and dry. It's all about balancing out competition.
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| Unclemertog
June 1, 2011
8:18:09 PM
Entry #: 3737768
| Oh, in addition a meeting is never necessary UNLESS you are going to amend, adopt, or delete one of the by-laws. In this case no one was asking for a change of the by-laws thus no meeting is required. And the president is the executive office of the league and ENFORCES all penalties encumbered by teams, thus he does in fact have the authority without a mandate of the body to impose said discipline, which he in fact did.
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