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| Shizz
September 10, 2011
5:11:51 PM
Entry #: 3796954
| Well I haven't said this much in the past couple of years might not say it again for awhile but I think the passing game although it was a short passing game and for a 2-minute drive in the 2nd quarter the passing game looked good... I was watching the game and was thinking the difference between a state championship team year in and year out is that they have multiple play makers who can do for what the Rams what Lee Wroblewski does for them that's no knock on the other players that's just a god given thing an example would be if we had a Wroblewski type player bck in 2009 to comliment what Laswell did would be a even tougher team...now as far as the game goes I knew Valley would come out and dothe traditional Valley "run the ball 100 times" game strategy what surprised me was how that little Baggett kid sliced through the defense most of the night then when that didn't work their QB Weddle made some good yards on a QB draw or keeper...the line for the second week in a row got pushed around now if that happens later in the season when you need toget pressure on a Quarterback (example Mater Dei Evansville) and that leaves lots of room for passing routes and so on could be a long night I think that if Valley had a passing game to go with the run game they could've won the game I think that when The Rams run onto a team that has a decent passing game could be a long night now the passing game for the Rams shocked me with how well they ran the 2-minute (really it was a 59 second) offense or if you wanna put a little Bill Walsh into it to call it the "Flex Coast Offense" for a little bit you also might've called it the "Greatest Show On Turf" dissapointed that they didn't pass more often in the game when it was there all night long but you don't want to get too greedy if you're not sure you can pass it 20-25 times and be as solid as you were passing it 10 or so times....another win for The Rams onto the next game
Shiz
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| Dutchman
September 11, 2011
1:39:57 PM
Entry #: 3797264
| Shizz-
We're never going to be a state championsip team unless we can both run and pass the ball. Yes, I said pass the ball. We're going to get killed later on in the season when we meet tougher opponents and try to run the same old offense. We're going to see this play out in a losing fashion. Valley is a 1A team and they gave us competition is a reality we need to face. Since I have been posting on this forum, one thing I have stated time and time over again is that you can't feel complacent with a winning record schedule against weaker teams who give you no challenge.
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| commonsense3
September 11, 2011
3:17:17 PM
Entry #: 3797291
| First of all I think we need to give Mitchell and Vally some credit, both teams are trying to turn around their programs and have improved alot since last year, Also I agree we need to pass some, or at least be able to attempt too in order to keep the Def. honest. However I think 20 or more per game is a strech. I happen to know that we called 10 passing plays in the vally game and that is just a few shy of the goal of the coaches. On the getting beat down the road thing I'd be more worried about getting our boy's to keep working on the little things. When we get late in the season it will come down to blocking,tackling, and taking care of the football. Good news is we have several weeks to keep getting better and if we want to be great all it will take is for those kids to focus and do the small things well. GO RAMS
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| 486
September 12, 2011
10:25:19 AM
Entry #: 3797735
| I think we showed we can pass. They only miss- connected on two passes all night and one was the end zone attempt which is a 50/50 shot at best. If they attempted as many passes in the second half, we would have thrown almost 20 times. The fumbles killed us, if not for those we would have put up 50+ points. What really worries me is the defense. The numerous missed tackles on each play and poor special teams defense let valley have a chance to hang close. It didn't look like our defenses have looked over the past few years for sure. They need to get that corrected ASAP.
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| Dutchman
September 12, 2011
12:03:48 PM
Entry #: 3797819
| "showed we can pass", are you serious. We didn't even try to pass and whenever we meet a team with a tough pass defense, we're gonna get eaten alive. As far as the missed tackles and other mistakes, when you finally meet a team that is at least trying to beat you, we'll get killed with that kind of play. It all gets down to discipline. I know I'm gonna get alot of grief for these comments but I am telling you that when we finally meet some quality competition, our day of reckoning is gonna finally be here. These feel good wins are gonna come back to haunt us. Just my thoughts.
Dutchman
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| 486
September 12, 2011
12:57:48 PM
Entry #: 3797867
| Well Dutch I thought we ran the two minute drill pretty well, so yes I believe we can pass. One other positive note, did you all know this group of seniors is the first to never lose to SV
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| Ram fan
September 12, 2011
1:06:05 PM
Entry #: 3797876
| I agree that the two minute drill looked pretty good as well and it was pretty exciting.
As far as the fumbles, I think most people who have watched Shepard over the years knows he doesn't usually put the ball on the ground like that. Everyone has off nights.
I think one of the reasons we don't pass as much as people want has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with clock management. The more you run, the more the opponents defense in on the field. In most cases, our opponents have kids that play both offense and defense. Usually that style pays off in the fourth quarter. Don't get me wrong... I enjoy a good passing game as much as anyone, but as a coach, I'm sure coach B's objective is win first, and he feels this is the best way to achieve it at this level.
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| Dutchman
September 12, 2011
6:15:23 PM
Entry #: 3798177
| You may be right, but I'd say if we had the ability to be a good passing team, we would be doing that. We go with what we have and make it work. As far as clock management, that wins some games. I don't know if that is what wins most games. As our season goes on, I look forward to us being more creative in what kind of plays we run. If we don't, all I can say is that we may be in for some long nights.
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| Shizz
September 12, 2011
7:50:40 PM
Entry #: 3798251
| Dutchman: I like your influential and motivational speeches you have been writing lately makes this forum better
Now as far the passing game i'm the one who has been complaining the past few years about how bad it is and that's because it was in my opinion a lack to do anything pass oriented too me it was a "to hell with passing the ball we beat so and so 50-0 running the ball so we'll keep running it" at least against Valley in that 2 minute drill or even the few big pass plays it gave a shot of hope of a passing game developing more than the 3 pass per game variety now I say that and watch the next few weeks the Rams don't pass a single time...as far as the defense it reminds me of the Colts defense built more for speed rather than power as has been proven in the past if you go side to side with the Colts they are right with you run at them and they get blown up The Rams will struggle in the tournament and possibly against the better teams because of that they just don't have enough 240lb+ guys to fill the middle...I mean if we had a Ndamukong Suh of the Lions or hell even a 400 pound version of Robbie Piper who played at Perry Central we would look great but we just don't have those type of guys to dominate a line
Shiz
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| Dutchman
September 12, 2011
8:02:21 PM
Entry #: 3798257
| Shizz-
It's about time we got some good discussion here. There's nothing like a hot lively debate. I think we all need to remember that Coach B played football at Southridge and that he was an assistant under Coach Brewer in Jasper. Both of those schools have never been known as passing teams. Perhaps that's the reason for his strategy. I know one thing, if the Rams run into a really good defense, his running strategy is goin nowhere. No disrespect meant, but as I have said all along, I "call them as I see them."
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| commonsense3
September 13, 2011
5:12:15 PM
Entry #: 3799030
| I've been around alot of football, and I know this, there is not a magic pill to win big games. There is not an O or D that will always win. It comes down to a bunch of teenage boys and how bad they want a game on a given night. I am around the team and coaches alot and I can't remember a loss that I would contribute to a lack of preperation. Their are a ton of good teams that run and a ton that pass, however neither works all the time nor replaces the fact that our team has to get after it. We have alot of talent and some good size lineman. But really the physical part only gets you so far, the mental part wins big games, I hope these early games will help our boys develope the "attitude" if that happens I hate to think how good we could be. A note on the D aside from the missed tackles it really wasn't all that bad. Tackling is again mental toughness. I also think the fact that we scored so quickly and that they had several short drives that ate clock caused our D to play alot of downs, in that situation it's hard not to make a few mistakes. In closing I just want to note that it is obvious that some on here are just hoping we get beat so they can say "told you so" thats pretty SORRY!!!
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| Dutchman
September 13, 2011
6:55:48 PM
Entry #: 3799104
| Shizz-
I don't think there is anyone who posts on this forum that wants this football team to lose just to say "i told you so." That was a rediculous statement to make. You're assuming alot of things and that will get you in trouble. Frankly, I'm disappinted that you would even make a statement like this. I'd say that mental attitude is probably what will win most games.
Dutch
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| Shizz
September 13, 2011
10:42:53 PM
Entry #: 3799253
| Dutchman
Are you tryin to start somethin with me by saying I said somethin I didn't say? Are those supposed to be fighting words?
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| RealisticFan
September 14, 2011
6:38:53 AM
Entry #: 3799337
| well Shiz it looks as if Dutch has drawn the line in the sand. Now, back to the comments made by Commonsense. I can see where you may come to that conclusion based on some of the conversation on here. But I can can assure you, I would find no pleasure in any loss. What frustrates me is the fact that "I" believe that we could have played a better game if not won some of the games we have lost the last few years if we had done some different thing. And yes, I realize hindsight is indeed 20/20.
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| Dutchman
September 14, 2011
8:43:06 AM
Entry #: 3799381
| Shizz-
My utmost apology to you concerning that post. That comment made by me was intended for "commonsense." I'll reserve comments for him later. But you, my friend, have my utmost apology for even implying that you wanted our team to lose. My eyes must be playing tricks on me these days.
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| Dutchman
September 14, 2011
8:53:07 AM
Entry #: 3799385
| commonsense
These comments are directed directly to you, my friend. When you made the statement that some people on this forum are just looking for our team to lose as an excuse to say "i told you so", shows just how much commense you have. Nothing personal intended, but that was a pretty negative comment to make for someone who uses the name that you do on here, "commonsense." I don't know how long you have been around football, but I have never known anyone who would wish their favorite team to lose.
I think it's that you want someone to look bad with their posts that you feel are so negative. If that comment was directed towards me, you're barking up the wrong tree. Never in my wildest mind would I ever wish that. If you want to call out someone for implying that statement, go ahead and do it. Just because someone might make a statement or opinion about this team or another team does not imply that they want the team to lose just to make you feel better in telling them "i told you so."
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| RealisticFan
September 14, 2011
1:35:34 PM
Entry #: 3799605
| It's looking like these next 2 games will be the biggest test of the season so far. Probably could not come at a better time for us. By now, we ( meaning the team ) should know who and what we are. May want to lace them up extra tight the next couple of weeks. I'm hoping for 2 good games. With the competition level rising, hopefully we may see some new wrinkles that have not been showcased so far this season.
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| Dutchman
September 14, 2011
3:14:18 PM
Entry #: 3799694
| Realistic
You're right on target. By now we should know exactly what we need to do. Whether or not these next two games will be a true test for us remains to be seen. At least you're not like "common" who thinks some people want the Rams to lose just to make a point.
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| commonsense3
September 14, 2011
4:49:31 PM
Entry #: 3799770
| dutch, here's your quote 9/12/11. "I'm telling you that when we finally meet some quality competion, our day of reconing is gonna finally be here." Sounds to me like your looking for it. Make no mistake I agree we need to do the small things better, but I'm not throwing in the towel just yet. I think the mistakes came at a good time in the season and I think the boys will respond well. If that's the case I see no reason we can't beat the better teams that are coming up. Go RAMS
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| Dutchman
September 14, 2011
8:27:38 PM
Entry #: 3799926
| commonsense
That post I made made no reference to losing, period. If you interpreted it that way, you're way off. I'm just saying and still say that when we meet stronger competition, our day of reckoning will come in that we will need to step up. Nothing more, nothing less. When we finally meet some tougher competion we'll have a better idea of how good we are and can be. You read way too much in these posts.
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| commonsense3
September 15, 2011
4:51:29 PM
Entry #: 3800394
| Dutch, I just call them like I see them. Was the SV game a little less than we hoped for, you bet but there was some good things that came out of it. Alot of people were glad to see us pass the ball as well as we did, I know you want to see alot more passing but 160 in the air is not bad, nor is 500 total yards. Even if it's not as good as you hoped, you don't have to be so negitive. The boys made some mistakes and they know that but they also did some things well, so show a little support fot a change. GO RAMS also just a side note WW seems to be running the ball alot this year could make for a good game!!!
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| Dutchman
September 15, 2011
5:32:40 PM
Entry #: 3800432
| commonsense
Get over it. If you think I was being negative, that's your opinion. Have I ever criticized one player? NOPE. You're the one calling all the plays and listing players name. Please quit calling me out for my posts, it's my opinion and nothing else. My posts have been pretty mild since you've told everyone that I hope our team loses just to say "i told you so." This is not my first rodeo, so don't try to put words in my mouth. If anyone needs to be positive, I'd say it's you. You're not the only one who knows a few things about football.
I'm going to be positive concerning my comments. If I give an opinion that's my right, but it doesn't mean I don't support this team.
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| Shizz
September 15, 2011
6:13:19 PM
Entry #: 3800458
| Dutchman: I accept your apology I was just messing with you knew who you intended it to be for just thought I would mess with you a little...
keep up the good inspirational speeches youmake my job on here alot easier
as far as the Dubbers running more I think they still run the spread but are running more out of it this year I think an injury earlier to a "star" reciever made the move more necessary
GO RAMS!....almost forgot to say...GO RAMS! but don't forget to mention to your buddies...GO RAMS!
Shiz
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| commonsense3
September 16, 2011
9:22:55 AM
Entry #: 3800730
| My posts have been and will continue to be positive in terms of the team, I would encourage new comers to the forum to check out the posts since the end of the season last year if they want to understand the current arguement better. I'm not sure what naming the plays in an effort to explain my point has to do with any thing, it's not a secret each formation has a base set of plays that goes with it. Any one who knows our O set Knows what we are going to run with it. Ex. WW runs the spread with one back and out of gun. Every one knows they can run draw,dive,zone read, option, counter, and of course pass. As to naming players that was only at a time when every one knew, and there was no reason to beat around the bush. Finally just wondered why when I disargee with you it's "calling you out" but when you run your mouth it's O.K. I agree you are entitled to your opinon but so am I.
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| Dutchman
September 16, 2011
9:42:47 AM
Entry #: 3800745
| commonsense
Here's my final comments to you directly since you have decided to make me a direct target of your posts. Remember, you're the one that accused me of wanting the Rams to lose just so I could say I told you so. You said it, and I took it personally. I'm not negative with my posts, what you read into them is your interpretation. My opinion of this forum is that there are a few(shizz) who make some sensible posts. Commonsense, I'm sorry this has got to be so personal with you, I certainly didn't intend for it to be. So with that, don't count of me EVER responding to another post you make. I'll reserve my comments for shizz. Go ahead and live in your little world and not see the big picture. I've tried to be positive and will continue to back the Rams. For this reason, I'm gonna sit back and watch you continue to make your comments and I'll refrain from responding to them. Please feel free to make false accusations concerning any new members of this forum. Frankly, if I were a new reader, I'd never make a comment on this forum. By the way, why don't you apply for one of the assistant coaches positions, since you know how to run football plays so expertly.
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| commonsense3
September 16, 2011
2:58:43 PM
Entry #: 3800953
| DEAL, you stay positive and back the Rams and I'll stay off your butt, not sure why you keep going back to the play stuff or why that bugs you, but to each their own I guess. Feels like football weather, looking forward to another exciting game.
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| Shizz
September 16, 2011
4:29:53 PM
Entry #: 3800992
| I would like to encourage those people who want to post comments on this forum to go ahead and post don't be scared away....
Dutchman: Since you said you only answer to my posts...Are You Going To Throw Your 2 Cents In About The Game against West Washington (aka The Dubbers) after it's over?
Speaking of the Rams passing game...
I think Keyshawn Johnson said it best the other night talking about teams who prefer a running game over a passing game "Coaches With a Defensive Mindset Don't Want To Unleash The Handcuffs"
I Didn't know this forum has turned into "Let's Make A Deal"
Shiz
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| Dutchman
September 16, 2011
4:35:21 PM
Entry #: 3800996
| shizz
I appreciate your comments on this forum. I'm sorry it got to this, but I took it long enough. I'm looking for a good game tonite with WW. I really think we'll be able to do what we want. So go RAMS!
I'll post my remarks to you after we win the game. Dress warm for tonight. This is great football weather for this game and I anticipate a victory.
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