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TOPIC: Changing the Playoff formatting |
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| Whitetails13
May 14, 2012
10:24:04 PM
Entry #: 3915547
| Hey y'all, I was wondering if next year the southern division still has more teams than the north could we change the playoff formatting to refect this? My idea is a small change but a fair one. Everything is the same as before, but the fourth wild card in the north should be up to grabs for the Southern division as well. In other words if the 5th place team in the South has a better record than the 4th place team in the north they should get their playoff spot. Now, this spot should not automatically go to the south, but if our 5th team happens to have a better record than they should get the playoff spot. This would allow the best 8 teams to make the playoffs and be a fair counter balance to the team differentials in both divisions. Thoughts?
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May 14, 2012
10:39:32 PM
Entry #: 3915560
| dumbest thing I ever heard
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| Mike Davis
May 14, 2012
11:12:27 PM
Entry #: 3915579
| Just my two cents worth: I think that if the league does happen to be wrong about the other teams interested in joining and we're at 21 teams again, we should address the possibility of re-formatting the divisions, because whoever made this post has a fair point that 12 teams in one division are fighting for the same amount of spots as 9 teams in the other division. Yes, I can see my own bias because my team plays in the division with more teams. And I know people are going to disagree, please disagree respectfully
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May 15, 2012
10:08:43 AM
Entry #: 3915825
| At the very least their should be a one game playoff if the southern 5th place team has a better record than the north's 4th place team. You can't have lopsided divisions and not compensate for that. If you disagree thats fine, but say something that involves using thoughts and ideas or at least have the guts to own up to your words.
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| Gregg Kuehl
May 15, 2012
11:16:05 AM
Entry #: 3915898
| Just a thought. Because the Southern Division has more teams, they could come up with a way for more teams to qualify as "wild card" teams and have some sort of a playoff to come up with their "top four" teams to enter the League playoffs.
While I understand the inequity of 4 of 12 as opposed to 4 of 9 there is also the fact that the teams in each division are playing only teams from their Division.To state that the team with the 5th best record in the South is better than the team with the 4th best record in the North, when their record facing only South teams is better, is not a true picture either.
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May 15, 2012
11:29:00 AM
Entry #: 3915911
| Greg, I agree that is why a 1 game playoff could work. Settle it on the field. For example, last year it would have been 12-6 Watertown facing 10-6 Oakfield for the final playoff spot.
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| Doug Welch
May 15, 2012
12:48:12 PM
Entry #: 3916004
| There seems to be some confusion about how the South will be determining its four representatives to the Grand Championship tournament. The winners of the Southwest and Southcentral brackets will automatically qualify for the Grand Championship tourney. Then the teams with the next four best records in either bracket will pair up in a one-game playoff to determine the Southern Division’s other two representatives into the Grand Championship tournament. Those “play-in” games will be played the weekend the North is finishing up its regular season. The bracket champions have the week off. (The North needs an extra week to conclude its regular season due to an odd number of teams and the byes necessitated in the scheduling.) Essentially six teams from the South are afforded the opportunity of post-season play. While this is still not a perfect scenario in regards to equal representation between the North and South for the Grand Championship tourney, it might be the best option when we’re dealing with a 12-team and a 9-team division split. To infer that the fifth place team in the South should have the opportunity to unseat the fourth place team in the North is a bit misguided. That would mean one of the teams that loses one of the South’s play-in games would bump the fourth-place North team. Regardless of what the records are of the teams involved, it would be difficult to imagine wide-range support for that idea. With the current 21 teams, what we’re really dealing with here is a geography issue. To turn a 12-9 split into an 11-10 split would mean a team from the South would have to head north. By the map, that would mean either Neosho, Lebanon, Clyman or the Waunakee Rockers would switch divisions. I’m not sure there is a lot of support for that notion, either. In my view, affording six teams from the South the opportunity for post-season, even if that is not a guarantee for the Grand Championship tourney for four of them, is the best we could do under this circumstance
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| Dan Haueter
May 15, 2012
1:03:36 PM
Entry #: 3916024
| I agree with Doug on this one. I consider making it past the regular season, to the play-in games, essentially making the playoffs. It is unfortunate for those 2 teams that will lose, but who can argue they are not in a better position than the 6 excluded from playoff consideration entirely? If you agree that earning a play-in game counts as making the postseason, then 50% of the teams in the South make the postseason which is greater than the 44% of teams in the North that will make the postseason.
Can't win the play-in game? Then win your division. And because the play-in week is separated from regular season play and true postseason play, there shouldn't be a complaint regarding pitching.
I'm not saying this is ideal and I am open to other ideas. However, I think this is a fair compromise given our situation. And I definitely do not support the South having an opportunity to poach a playoff spot from the North (or vice versa).
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| Whitetails 13
May 15, 2012
1:16:32 PM
Entry #: 3916029
| My mistake then guys I wasn't aware of the changes to the playoff format this year. The weekly play-in game for the #3-6 seeds in the south seems more than fair. sorry for the confusion
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| Doug Welch
May 15, 2012
2:13:20 PM
Entry #: 3916094
| Hey "Whitetails 13": Not a problem, and yours was a legitimate concern if we went the old straight format without the play-in games. I didn't think it possible but we actually took the most convoluted playoff system imagined by any league and made it even more complicated. I'm not saying I don't like the Rock's playoff system. I think it's great. But I find it to be oddly mesmerizing.
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| Gregg Kuehl
May 16, 2012
11:33:35 AM
Entry #: 3916698
| Hey Doug. Thanks for explaining to us all the way the Southern Division is taking care of the 12 - 9 inequitable slit of teams between the Divisions. I missed that meeting and it is good to be informed. Thanks again!
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