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| lb4lb-7
July 15, 2013
8:47:35 PM
Entry #: 4073820
| Going forward, the league will take off mothers day, 4th of July Weekend, The RI E States weekend and The Branford Firecracker Tourney weekend and whenever Mike Cote goes fucking camping. So dont make any plans based on a printed schedule. Im hoping Tucker and Dionne will be kind enough to post any other specialty days they need off so the other 300 of us can plan accordingly
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| DUTILLY
July 15, 2013
9:03:51 PM
Entry #: 4073830
| Bunch of fucking fags..hope all you all star tourney players enjoy your big weekend in branford. Ill just switch the dates to my family vacation. No biggie...if you managers wanna carry all tourney players maybe you shouldnt play sunday mornings..voting or no voting this shit should not affect our league...its not our problem how about call the usssa director and tell him to reshcedule his tourney..and bash our team all u want. We would have been missing guys too...bunch of winny fags
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| E W 3 3
July 15, 2013
9:55:01 PM
Entry #: 4073859
| I'm sure back when VFW and then again with the PNA and we had to play finals and multiple weekends of playoff ball without tournament players that the same guys that voted tonight to go this new direction voted the same way. Now fall ball gets pushed further into the winter or we will have shortened our playing season. Sounds like a brilliant idea... here's a news flash if you pick up tournament players BEWARE they will not be able to make every sunday game and especially during our playoffs.... this was never the way the league was run and its pretty sad. I'm glad that those tournament guys will be available to their teams but it means that the few who actually plan things around our schedule when it comes out now have to change those plans so that those guys can make it.
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| ScottRobillard
July 15, 2013
10:36:50 PM
Entry #: 4073874
| I can't believe what I'm hearing. This league is becoming a disgrace. We have tourney players who can't make it so the whole league has to wait on them. I hope it rains for the next three fucking months straight. I thought this was a Sunday morning league. Why does the rest of the league have to wait for the tournament for the league to conclude. I personally looked at schedule and arranged a family trip around the playoffs. The league shouldn't have to wait for the few that participate in tourneys. I would hope that this topic would have been tabled at the meeting and allowed the managers to poll the teammates for feedback. They don't stop the NFL for Aaron Hernandez but Coventry Softball will part the sea for tourney players. Why have by laws and exemptions. Those rules make this league strong. Pushing playoffs back because of out of state tourneys is like taking 5 steps back as a league...
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| Jeff55
July 15, 2013
10:40:40 PM
Entry #: 4073877
| Embarrassing day in CMSL!
Approximately, 280-300 members of this league.
Approximately, 25-30 ppl going to tournaments during a week of playoffs.
That's 8%, but its ok MANAGERS, the other 92% of us will just wait for three weeks to play.
Thanks!
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| tuck00
July 16, 2013
12:01:47 AM
Entry #: 4073895
| What's embarrassing is we are not playing THIS week because of lack of fields, thats okay that no one knew til today. Yet because 25-30 guys play in a tourney run at the same time every year the following weekend it's wrong.
That about sum it up.
This is all my fault. I set the whole thing up.
I am not going to throw anyone under the bus.
Here's what really happened. I knew GQ would forfeit week 1 now that it was moved. I didn't want to win by forfeit. Neither should anyone else.
I received a phone call today at 1pm telling me we weren't playing this week due to no fields. When did the league know about that?
I was asked if I would vote to move playoffs back 1 more week because of Firecracker. I agreed to do so because we didn't want to win by forfeit. I called a couple of teams and explained the situation. Never told them how to vote.
Our season never ended this early. That tournament is the best in the country and is the same weekend every year. Had we not skipped this upcoming week it would have been a non issue for most. My team would not have been impacted by this.
Our team would have benefited the most by playing in 2 weeks.
It was voted on and majority ruled. If we had known about the no fields thing before today, this would have been brought up long ago.
This league is what it is because of the regular players in the league and the tournament players.
That's why this is such a great league.
U can all blame me but I had little to gain by this switch.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience this caused any team.
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| tuck00
July 16, 2013
12:09:27 AM
Entry #: 4073897
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LB4LB
We should take Mother's Day off and the 4th Of July and this again, would not have been an issue.
When team reps vote on this do they ask all their players if they want to play or do they just make the decision.
Kind of the same thing that happened here.
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| Smitty77
July 16, 2013
12:21:18 AM
Entry #: 4073899
| I'm just posting to clarify Jim Tucker's post. Before you read any further I want you to know, I just called him to clarify his mistakes man to man.
The "league" knew this was a problem when it got the permits back in April
The "league" told everyone when the schedule came out that we would have a problem this weekend and we could take the 4th of July off or pray for one rainout.
At the June 3rd, meeting it was brought up again, that we had no rainouts and that the week after the scheduled regular season we would be without fields. The managers were asked again if they wanted to take off the 4th or continue to hope for a rainout.
Tonight, the managers were told what they knew all along. We have 3 fields available this weekend. This hinders the league, but does not cause a major problem. We can play the two bottom bracket games and the top bracket play in game.
Then, the "league" was informed of the firecracker tournament in Branford Connecticut that approximately 24 players will be at on both Saturday and Sunday and a request was made to take the weekend of the 28th off. The weekend of the 28th we have all of our field available to us.
Just some points of clarification. And for the record, I voted we play.
Any problems please contact your manager who represents you at these meetings. Find out how they voted and take it up with them.
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| E W 3 3
July 16, 2013
12:43:55 AM
Entry #: 4073902
| The reason this is a big deal is:
A) people who scheduled things based on the "set" schedule
B) It sets a precedent that now if you load up with tournament players on your team you will still be fine for the playoffs.
Until this year if you loaded up on tournament players it would hurt you. This rewards the nontournament players with spots on teams that otherwise would rather fill with the "more skilled" tournament players. Now it helps a team like yours tucker go out and pull a tournament player a year over to your team and who cares every year u get a new player and your team gets better and better without worrying about whether those guys will be elligible for playoffs. This used to be part of managing in our league now its a moot point. Just call people before the week playoffs are due to begin and state your case and then have people go the meeting and vote for whatever change you want. Then your problem is solved.
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| tuck00
July 16, 2013
12:49:11 AM
Entry #: 4073903
| Ian,
Thanks for the clarification. My blame wasn't aimed at you. It was a league comment. If that info was out there for all during the season then shame on me/us. I talked to quite a few people and they didn't know we weren't playing this week either.
I found out at 1 pm yesterday that there would be no games this week. First I heard of it. Never heard it mentioned by anybody that there were no playoff games this week.
I have never questioned your integrity or how you run this league. U R a great president and do a ton for this league so we can play on Sundays.
This is not personal with you or anyone else. In fact I believe I went out of my way to say that at the meeting last night. Sticking up for you when someone tried to rile you up.
I know your vote was based on the league, not your own team.
But my vote was based on the good of the league and not my team as well.
What happened to leave it on the field. I have never in my life wanted to play a team at less than their full squad.
Your integrity is not being questioned. You've earned that.
Maybe in the future it should be posted on the home page about these dates or maybe I am blind and never saw it if it wasn't.
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| tuck00
July 16, 2013
1:05:08 AM
Entry #: 4073908
| Wow,
Ernie is our team taking players from other teams? Am I really trying to bring in ringers to win the Coventry Sunday Morning League?
I'm 49 yrs old, I would be dead by the time that happened.
Thanks for questioning my integrity.
U R a true friend.
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| Fat Stallyn
July 16, 2013
10:21:03 AM
Entry #: 4073967
| Let me preface this post by stating that I realize it's after the fact and the move can't be changed now but after some more thought, I have even more issues with the move. For the record, I voted against the request for a week off, not to be a dick but for some of the reasons listed below.
1. I thought we weren't superceding bylaws by vote during the regular season, why else have the bylaws. The fact that we can spontaneously vote against a bylaw on the spot makes me question why we even have bylaws. Seems to me that at this rate, we'll just vote on anything that doesn't go our way and we'll do it on the fly. Argument is this is a different league now but how many times in the past have we held people accountable to the by-laws. I respect their decisions to attend something they feel is more important but the teams that have them should have had to suffer without them even if that means a forfeit. We blasted Artie for doing this and here we are years later, accommodating outside tournaments. In the past, we stuck to the bylaw and then changed it the following year.
2. Voting passed because multiple teams didn't want to lose their better players either. Of course it was going to pass, most teams benefited by it. Whether Busta wants to admit it or not, at one point he did call out Ian for being biased yet it was OK for other teams to be biased in the vote.
3. I expect that any time I am missing my better players for a playoff game or can not field enough players for a playoff game, I should be able to reschedule our game since we're accommodating this move. What's fair is fair, correct? Like the league has stated in the past, EVERY time we change a bylaw, we need to reword the bylaw for future use. If you think about it, we changed a bylaw last night but didn't really reword it. We made a "one time" exception which shouldn't be the case. Think about all the bylaws we've changed for our veterans (for example) that wanted to play, we reworded the bylaws for future use so it wouldn't be as difficult to get them into the league in the future.
4. I think it was severely screwed up that multiple times and multiple teams thought that the bottom bracket and both 8-seeds (Bella and Ultra) should not have been allowed to vote because it didn't impact us. WOW. Even though you think it didn't impact us, it does. One example is, we now lose a week of fallball because some players would rather do a tournament. That was my main reason for voting no last night. Some teams may think it's stupid but my players want to play as many games as we can, we all do. I did not think it was worth losing a week of playing time because players are in a tournament enjoying their extra week.
5. No one wants to win a playoff game by forfeit, I understand that but didn't we spend a good portion of time this season addressing roster spots?
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| Smitty77
July 16, 2013
10:46:24 AM
Entry #: 4073977
| YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP!!!
At 7:07 am my phone rang and it was the girls president.
They added a tournament on 8/4 and so now we don't have the fields on that weekend. We still have the five fields we need to run the league (4 for top bracket and 1 for bottom bracket championship).
Pub has been notified and is in the process of picking a new field since they can't use their home field. (moulton has raven, other options are hunters, nike, fish, and wash oak)
Then Botelho will choose, Aj's will choose, and the bottom championship will be held at whatevers left.
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| E W 3 3
July 16, 2013
10:57:10 AM
Entry #: 4073984
| Tuck it's no problem i clearly have misunderstood all of this and it was just you being a good samaratin. Thank you for doing what was right in the spirit of wanting to face the very best competition you could. Im sure that was your sole motivation. Just making sure that GQ had their guys right? I understand.
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| A1varez
July 16, 2013
11:01:22 AM
Entry #: 4073987
| The biggest problem is the lack of upfront communication, not knowing that the fields aren't available this week and the so called vote have moved the playoffs back 2 weeks. The playoff schedule should be written in stone right after the schedule comes out so we can plan accordingly, no one wants to miss the playoffs and if we know in advance what weeks the playoffs are scheduled for we can do what we can to make sure we are there. By changing things literaly last minute to accomidate to some you've unfairly discriminated against others without knowing.
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| OTR_31
July 16, 2013
11:23:42 AM
Entry #: 4073994
| So what's the deal for this weekend? As I understand it, the top bracket playoffs are being pushed back to accommodate a tournament, OK.
But what about the Bella's/Ultra play-in game, and therefore what about the bottom bracket playoffs (OTR, Bakery, WS, CCFD, MWB)?
Are ANY games being played this weekend?
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| Cote
July 16, 2013
12:09:30 PM
Entry #: 4074011
| Since I am the asshole who started this whole mess I guess I should chime in. I don’t believe anyone knew that we would not be able to play the first round of the playoffs this week. The field issue was noted on the original schedule given out in March but I don’t believe it was discussed at any of the meetings. Every manager I spoke with yesterday was surprised that we would not be playing this week.
Six of the top seven teams did not want to play that weekend. We are not talking about one team or a couple of players. This impacted 20 plus guys on the top seven teams. In my opinion if you have the playoffs with that many players missing it brings into question the integrity of the playoffs. I may be biased due to the fact that this impacts me but I also do not want to play Botelho’s in the playoffs when they are missing some of their starting players. I would prefer to play against the best competition that our league has to offer. Also since our season has ended earlier than it ever has I didn’t think the extra week would be that big of a deal.
All that being said I think we dropped the ball on this by not addressing it earlier in the year. Had this been done earlier I don’t think anyone would have had a problem with it.
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| DeMonti
July 16, 2013
12:28:25 PM
Entry #: 4074025
| so when does round one of playoffs actually begin now? and this league just got artyed lol, 20 players cant make it so no one plays??? good job guys, I guess anyone can do whatever the fuck they want now, this league blows now, sunday mornings used to take precedent but now we just cater to the tourney players, what an embarrassment, fuck this league, and fuck you dutilly you toothless fuckin fag, now that we arnt playing for 3 weeks youll have another fuckin kid by then, wear a rubber you idiot!!!
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| cknight
July 16, 2013
12:29:21 PM
Entry #: 4074026
| One thing to think about now because it very well could happen is what if we have a rain out during the playoffs. Would we play on Labor Day weekend? I am sure many people already have vacations planned around that weekend.
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| Smitty77
July 16, 2013
1:17:20 PM
Entry #: 4074047
| We've never played on Labor Day before. But whatnot this year?
This weekend the playin game is at raven wood at 10am
11 Rochs vs 14 men at hunters 10am
12 CCFD vs 13 stallyns at flat river 10am
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| Lags
July 16, 2013
5:30:47 PM
Entry #: 4074129
| Way to go Cote.. you dick!!
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| OTR_31
July 16, 2013
7:37:31 PM
Entry #: 4074150
| Thx Smitty.
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| Wayne F
July 16, 2013
10:53:15 PM
Entry #: 4074188
| As you all know I run a tournament team that will be playing in the Firecracker on July 28th
I am a tournament guy and yet I have not missed a week yet.
The firecracker is a 50 team tournament, the only one of this magnitude in New England.
There are a lot of guys in this league who are playing in it.
You keep saying fuck the tournament guys but how about the other guys they play with.
Would it not suck if a team had to end its season early because they had to play the playoffs missing 3 of their top guys. we are not talking about every week. this is the only tournament that affects the schedule.
I love this league, I love the way its run (Great job Ian), I love the by-laws that keep it fair, I love most of the people who play in it. Obviously the only downside is Coventry fields suck, But I love this league.
So I ask should a guy like me who plays every week and gives it his all to his team week in and week out just not play. I have only been in the league for three years but I followed the rules and sat out of every other league for an entire season so I could join this league now you say I should give up the biggest tournament of the year so I can play in this league
Yes our team will be significantly affected by the tournament but so will seven of the top 8 teams. Every team will lose key players.
Each year it gets harder and harder to keep good leagues going and if you scare away all the tournament guys this league will suffer far more in the long run than just losing 1 week of playing.
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| E W 3 3
July 16, 2013
10:53:54 PM
Entry #: 4074189
| Cote, you know i have a man crush on you but while your intentions may be a little biased. I do believe you were doing what you thought would be best. I believe the biggest issue I have with all of this is as Mr. Demonti stated - this league used to be considered our only priority and not worry about tournaments. That was good for two very good reasons. It keeps the managers honest in that no one will want to load up with tournament players and only tournament players. This would lead to a very very top heavy league vs. the pretty competitive league we have now. Why change what wasn't broken? Now we opened the flood gates to teams loading up with tournament players because now it doesn't matter just put it to vote, collude before the meeting, buy a few beers and grease a few palms and you end up with getting whatever you want. I know certain managers would buy votes with at bats for another teams studs who were out of town, many shady shady moves... all this kind of stuff is what I think you weren't thinking of when you voted this way. I think the problem is much more complicated than simply waiting a few weeks.
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| Wayne F
July 16, 2013
11:05:42 PM
Entry #: 4074192
| Ernie
The tournament world is getting bigger. there are more registered tournament teams every year and if the league does not grow and evolve with the times it will suffer in the long run. You are not just talking about outsiders like myself but the best players that actually come from Coventry.
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| tuck00
July 16, 2013
11:42:39 PM
Entry #: 4074197
| Ernie,
Have I ever lied to U? Questioned your integrity? I think not.
Last yr we were in a tournament with all my Coventry guys and I let every one of them come back to play in the playoffs.
I/AJ's had everything to gain by voting against this.
I'm vested in this league as well. The only place I played this yr. I try to bring respect and honor to this league.
Busta screwed up by not increasing his roster. I don't even like his team,LOL and I still didn't want the forfeit. What kind of team would we be to have taken a forfeit, if avoidable. That affects the integrity of the league.
I still stand by my original comment, no blame being laid, that the 1st missed week due to lack of fields should have been posted on the home page right away when this was known. I know it came up but people FORGET. Hell my manager forgot.
I believe I have done my best to help bring honor to this league with mine and your fundraising efforts. Like LB4LB, we donate to everybody's causes with no benefit to either one of us.
Now that my integrity has been questioned, I will no longer be involved in any extra fundraising activities in this league.
I'm having serious doubts about even coming back next yr. I understand respect is earned not given. If I haven't earned that by now I never will with this group.
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| hinske
July 17, 2013
12:33:25 PM
Entry #: 4074337
| So what is the actual Playoff Schedule? Dates would be nice.
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| DUTILLY
July 17, 2013
1:53:33 PM
Entry #: 4074361
| my question tuck is if you say that us losing the fields to the girls should have been posted when we knew then why didnt someone say anything about the brandford tourney till now when you guys knew since january? i think if that was addressed at the begining of the season it would have been fine... i dont blame guys like cote or even yourself to try and push it, now what happens if we have one rainout and our team makes it to the finals and we lose myself,riley, travis and my son, will they push it back for us? absolutly not.......ps...if your response is i suck and they dont need me go to the tabs on the left under past champions and see who has the most championships...thats right its me..the greatest switch hitting fat slop ,goofy looking baby making machine in the history of this league
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| Smitty77
July 17, 2013
2:10:54 PM
Entry #: 4074365
| 7/21
BELLAS VS. ULTRA at ravenwood (play-in 1 game)
best of three series
11 Rochs vs 14 men at hunters 10am
12 CCFD vs 13 stallyns at flat river 10am
7/28
loser of play-in vs. highest remaining seed
corner bakery vs. other remaining seed
fields selected sunday night
8/4
cm vs. play-in winner at ravenwood
pub vs. trust at fish hill
botelho vs. howes at nike site
ajs vs. gq at hunters or flat river
bottom bracket champion at hunters or flat river
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| tuck00
July 18, 2013
12:31:53 AM
Entry #: 4074545
| Dutilly,
No name calling here. U R entitled to ur opinion. As far as I knew the Firecracker was the 2nd week of the playoffs and a bunch of teams would have been eliminated with a lot of those players. I wouldn't have voted to extend had we played this week. The forfeit wouldn't have happened. I don't believe others would have voted that way either.
It wasn't my idea to ask for an extra week. I was upset about the forfeit once I found out on Mon at 1pm in learning we wouldn't be playing this week.
Anybody that plays on my Tourney team is free to skip tournaments if they have something else going on. Even Ernie knows that.
I would have sent them back for playoffs just like I did last yr when we were in a tournament. I told Cote, Lags and Neil to come back last yr so their teams would not be shorthanded in the playoffs.
I still believe the tournament players make the league stronger at the top end and there should be a way to do both. This was a fluke and not the norm because the season ended so damn early.
If all tourney players left the league, wouldn't the league suffer? Especially when non exempt players can leave multiple teams and go to one team to load up. Circumventing the exemption rule.
Isn't that how some of the top teams have gotten as good as they are? Couple guys jumping ship come to mind?
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| CP66
July 18, 2013
7:02:09 PM
Entry #: 4074795
| Ian ?about 7-28 playoffs loser of play in gm plays highest or lowest remaining seed ?
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| Smitty77
July 20, 2013
3:14:23 PM
Entry #: 4075145
| The loser of the play in game will play the LOWEST remaining seed on 7/28.
Sorry for the above error.
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