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| googley
May 29, 2005
10:22:11 PM
Entry #: 871294
| I was just wondering what sounded like the best high-end .12 race engine out of this list
A Novarossi N12LL5
A O.S. TZ
A Serpent Mega M12 Legal Race MS
Thanks
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| RoyalPalmrace
May 29, 2005
11:02:04 PM
Entry #: 871343
| Serpent Mega M12 Legal Race MS
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| googley
May 30, 2005
10:31:36 AM
Entry #: 871577
| around how much HP does that thing belt out.
The novarossi site rates there engine at 1.66hp
and the O.S. at 1.62hp
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| googley
May 30, 2005
12:48:16 PM
Entry #: 871714
| Also i want the engine to be reliable,preatty easy to tune,etc
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| RoyalPalmrace
May 30, 2005
8:13:23 PM
Entry #: 872131
| that is a compromise.. the more power the more fineses you need to tune. tuning takes practice... any engine. there is much more than just raw power in going fast around the track. if it was just the engine it would be a simple matter of installing the fastest and thats it. that is why at royal palm we dont care what size engine you bring out as a novice (first time out). even if you put in a .21 size engine it takes a-lot more to go fast around the track. you soon realize that engine is just a part of the total package. we would recoomend getting a good .12 engine however and the mega is good but its a race engine the os might be more forgiving as far as tune.
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| RoyalPalmrace
May 30, 2005
8:18:31 PM
Entry #: 872145
| oh .. dont rely to much on the advertised power ratings.. most times they are not true. in order to compare you need a dyno and test all engines under same condtions. they dont do that so the comparison is flawed.
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| Eric G
May 30, 2005
8:55:32 PM
Entry #: 872192
| Another thing, Make sure you get a 3 port, not a 5 port engine. If you plan on racing, the 5 port wont be legal in certain races.
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| googley
May 30, 2005
9:25:06 PM
Entry #: 872239
| I know that tuning is important but i mean how much time would i ned to spend each time i go to the track on tuning???How much timedo you guys spend tuning??
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| joe
May 30, 2005
10:04:46 PM
Entry #: 872308
| i would suggest taking the engine to an auto shop before you come to race to have it tuned
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| googley
May 30, 2005
10:22:47 PM
Entry #: 872343
| an auto shop????
what the hell??
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| googley
May 30, 2005
10:26:12 PM
Entry #: 872349
| Again i ask How much time at the track would i need to spend tuning if i got the MEGA M12 LEGAL RACE MS?????
How much time do you spend tuning your enngines???
Also i dont know if this will help but this would be for practice not racing.
Do you not need tune as much if it if it is for practice??
Also no one has answered one of my first questions
Is this engine durabile?? Will it last me for a while???
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| joe
May 30, 2005
10:31:04 PM
Entry #: 872355
| i was just joking a bit. once you learn how to tune an engine, it only takes a few minutes. it is not big deal. the mega is not the most reliable engine out there. if i was looking for a fast engine and very reliable and easy to tune, i would buy a stock novarossi nsr12s3. that engine will last and has good power and the easiest to tune.
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| googley
May 30, 2005
10:54:36 PM
Entry #: 872403
| How about the Novarossi i have listed at the top does that sound good??
and how big is the difference between that Novrossi and the Serpent???
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| googley
May 30, 2005
10:58:01 PM
Entry #: 872406
| How about a Novarossi NSR12S5 or a N12LL5
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| googley
May 30, 2005
11:00:33 PM
Entry #: 872412
| Which oione is the better choice of those two Novarossi's
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| joe
May 30, 2005
11:01:59 PM
Entry #: 872414
| the one you listed is also a good engine. it is also very denpendable. i would not get the ll5, i would get the ll3--- the 3 port. the ll3 is a long stroke engine, meaning it is better for shorter tracks compared to the nsr12s3. i have had a ll3, it was ok--- not overly impressed. if i was looking for an engine and was new to this, no doubt in my mind i would get a nsr12s3. also, the mega is a new engine so it is has issues that it needs to work out. novarossi is a proven brand in the industry. you will not go wrong by getting the ll3, but i like the nsr better.
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| googley
May 30, 2005
11:04:48 PM
Entry #: 872416
| I want an engine that WILL over impress me. I want to get a great engine. I dont want to spend all this money and get somthin that is O.K.
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| Eric G
May 31, 2005
9:35:17 AM
Entry #: 872755
| Then go nuts and spend over $400 on a Full Mod JP FXT03, if that doesn't impress you, dont' know what will.
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| joe
May 31, 2005
9:38:21 AM
Entry #: 872760
| i have an engine that will overimpress you that i will sell. i have three of them brand new in the box. they are jp modified x12 engines. they are not being made anymore. the reason being is that mugen had to send them to italy to have jp mod them and jp would send them back. the process was too expensive so now they will only be selling the fxt03. i have had both and the x12 jp mod is much faster. i will sell for $350 brand new sealed. you can call me at 305-807-9529.
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| googley
May 31, 2005
10:24:45 AM
Entry #: 872829
| How much better is tat compared to the ll3. and that engine is race legal right??
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| googley
May 31, 2005
10:33:54 AM
Entry #: 872849
| and out of these two Novarossi engines which is better in perfromance and durability
A Novarossi NSR12S3
Or
A Novarossi N12LL3
I think I am gonna pick one of these two or keep looking If you think there is somthin better out ther.
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| googley
May 31, 2005
11:01:49 AM
Entry #: 872894
| I dont want to spend $400. this is my first high-end engine. for the past year and a half i ahvbe been racing witha stock HPI RTR engine at a track in New jersey. and i want to step it up, but i think spending $450 on an engine is a lil overboard for me
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| joe
May 31, 2005
11:02:00 AM
Entry #: 872895
| the x12 jp mod is the nsr12s3 engine but modified in italy by one the best modifiers in the world, if not the best. if i could have any engine out there, which i can, i would drive this engine. it will blow away the ll3 and nsr12s3. that is why i have three brand new ones and two used ones. i have five of them now, and they are reliable and just super fast.
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| joe
May 31, 2005
11:03:24 AM
Entry #: 872898
| you can spend $350 for this engine, which when they were at the stores and not sold out sold for $420, or you can spend $265 for a stock novarossi which will have way less power. thats up to you.
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| googley
May 31, 2005
11:46:03 AM
Entry #: 872985
| I want an opinion from someone else
Should I buy this engine. Is he a relieble source??
Sorry dude but i gotta ask toher people whether this is a good deal.
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| googley
May 31, 2005
11:48:07 AM
Entry #: 872997
| Also By BRAND-NEW you mean ABSOLUTLEY, NO POSSIBLE WAY IT HAS EVER BEN RUN.
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| googley
May 31, 2005
11:49:20 AM
Entry #: 873003
| Also will i be able to get parts.
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| Eric G
May 31, 2005
11:50:35 AM
Entry #: 873005
| Yeah Joe's a good guy, he buys all kinds of stuff and half the time never uses it and sells it. He's at the track almost every weekend. It's a pretty sweet engine too.
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| Eric G
May 31, 2005
11:58:29 AM
Entry #: 873030
| Have you been out to the track yet Googley?
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| Eric G
May 31, 2005
12:07:45 PM
Entry #: 873056
| Wait, does that mean you're going to drop this engine in your HPI?
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| googley
May 31, 2005
1:24:39 PM
Entry #: 873235
| Yeah i was planning on doind that
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| googley
May 31, 2005
1:25:36 PM
Entry #: 873237
| Buti think it might be a lil while before i get that engine I havent driven my car in a while and i need to get back into it
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| googley
May 31, 2005
1:26:16 PM
Entry #: 873238
| not too long thought probably at the end of summer
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| joe
May 31, 2005
2:30:36 PM
Entry #: 873416
| the only reason i offered this engine is because you mentioned you wanted an engine that was going to impress you. if i were you, i would stick with a stock engine and learn how to drive that first. this engine has way tooo much power. the minimun you get these engine is for $420. i think the stock x12 go for $300-320. and this is modified by one of the best modifiers in the world. you know what, not to be a jerk, but the engine is no longer for sale.... buy a stock engine!!!
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| googley
May 31, 2005
2:39:28 PM
Entry #: 873435
| That was nice of you...
Still what sound like a good engine to buy should I go with the Novcarossi???And if so Which Novarossi??
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| joe
May 31, 2005
2:41:00 PM
Entry #: 873442
| buy the nsr12s3... you will not be dissapointed. any modified engine is just going to make you wreck faster, not go around the track faster. probaly the nsr12s3 is too fast for a beginner as well.
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| googley
May 31, 2005
2:41:14 PM
Entry #: 873444
| I fi were to get a Novarossi should i get a
A Novarossi nsr12s3 or
A Novarossi ll3???
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| Eric G
May 31, 2005
2:54:26 PM
Entry #: 873478
| Get the NSR. The LL is the long stroke version. It's better off in trucks because it's a torque engine, top speed in the NSR will be higher. But don't forget to look at the Mega. It's a VERY good deal (Andy the track owner has em for $270 Engine & Pipe) and it looks like the early problems have been ironed out. And don't forget for someone just looking into their first higher end engine, tuning is very important with these. No matter what engine you decide to get, take the time to read up and learn how to tune them correctly. It will make all the difference in the performance.
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| joe
May 31, 2005
3:12:45 PM
Entry #: 873529
| in your situation i maybe would consider the mega for the fact it comes with a nice pipe... and it is super fast.
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| googley
May 31, 2005
4:42:12 PM
Entry #: 873801
| I heard that the main issue with the Mega is the Durability is that true????
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| googley
May 31, 2005
4:44:10 PM
Entry #: 873809
| If the mega is as durable as the others i will definently get it but is it as durable???????
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| Eric G
May 31, 2005
4:49:15 PM
Entry #: 873826
| Depends on how you look at it. Serpent USA drivers recommend changing the conrod on the Mega ($20) every 1-2 hours of racing (2-3 races). Real high end racers change conrods every 2 hours no matter what engine they use. However, there are people out there that haven't changed the conrod and are running it with no problem. If you're not abusive on the engine you wont have a problem with breaking a rod. THe level that some of these top racers have the engines performing is just too much stress on the rod and it's been breaking. According to Serpent USA there will be a new conrod coming out soon to extend the life a little. So it's not an issue of durability in the sense of performance decrease, it's more along the lines of being considered "high mainenance"
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| googley
May 31, 2005
5:07:49 PM
Entry #: 873884
| For just your average guy going to the track on the weekends how often would i need to replace the conrod????
And are their anyother parts that i will have to replace
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| Eric G
May 31, 2005
6:27:32 PM
Entry #: 874027
| That I couldn't tell you, but again, the better you take care of it the longer it will last. The piston/sleeve should last at least 3 or 4 gallons at a hight level if you don't overheat it. That's normal for an engine, but there are ways of extending the life of a piston/sleeve by pinching it. The conrod is the only current issue that requires a little more care. But since the problem is being fixed & the engine is so inexpensive, it's a nice way to go. And changing the conrod is really easy to do so don't worry about having to do it.
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| Eric G
May 31, 2005
7:26:31 PM
Entry #: 874122
| That's the one thing that wears the same whether you're racing or practicing. So time on the engine, is time on the engine.
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| Alex S
May 31, 2005
10:47:00 PM
Entry #: 874429
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| RoyalPalmrace
June 1, 2005
4:41:22 AM
Entry #: 874727
| i've never broken a rod.. and i've had the engine before national release.. its all in tuning and good fuel. you can tune very conservative.
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| dj
June 1, 2005
6:46:57 AM
Entry #: 874757
| for those of you that do not know the mega motor are going to have new conrods. that is why there has been a delay in the availability. They are tring to resolve the rod issue.
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