MARLINS SET TO KICK OFF INAUGURAL SEASON.......

January 15, 2005
The upstart Marlins are preparing for their first season in the 28 & over Men's Senior Baseball League (MSBL).
After a 2 year hiatus from the 18 & over league (NABF) and a name change (formerly the Cardinals), the core of this unit has regrouped and added some real talent. Some great returning ball players include, 1B Todd Teeter, catchers Drew Stafford and George Zepeda, Utility players Tony Burnham and Calvin Phillips, OF Bobby Esteves and hard luck pitcher Robb Cymerman, who was a victim of poor defenses.... Until this year....
The holes defensively in the past have been filled, with Ozzy Smith-like moves of SS Brian Joslin, Lenny Dykstra type play of utility player Marlyn Kelch, and the possible signing of a third basemen with MLB experience (more on that in the upcoming days)!
Also a newcomer, 6'4" P/Utility player Bill Kerkmann, who anchors the thin, but talented pitching staff.
The team has been practicing since mid December, and hopes to hit the regular season running on all cylinders. The hope is to be competitive while building a championship ballclub in the process.
In its four seasons in the NABF, the team had some ups and downs, but always played with heart and felt it could win any game.
Unreliable young players were thought to be the team's downfall, hence the move to a more mature adult league.
Keep track of your team throughout the year right here. Stats, game scores, schedules and team news will be updated frequently, so check back often!
The Fish are in the process of finalizing their roster and preparing for the upcoming 2005 season.

MARLINS AND PIRATES FINISH IN 4-4 TIE.....

January 30, 2005
The expansion Marlins and Pirates battled it out today at UCF, and neither came away victorious.
The Marlins jumped out to a 2-0 lead in the first inning, when 3B Brett Mitchell and reserve Marlin Brian Hoover hit 2 key RBI singles with two out. The Pirates got one back, as they scored an unearned run in the second off Marlins starter Robb Cymerman, which turned out to be their only run against the crafty righthander.
Cymerman went 4 innings with 5 K's 1 BB and 1 unearned run before leaving the game for a crying injured child (his son).
The fish tacked on 2 more runs in the 3rd and 4th, but the Pirates, hitting against rookie pitcher Rob Hancock, managed 3 in the 6th to tie the game at 4 a piece. "I don't know what happened out there today. I just couldn't get the fastball across for a strike." Hancock's curveball was a different story. "He seemed to throw the deuce for a strike everytime!" said SS Brian Joslin. Utility player Marlyn Kelch said, "This guys got some serious potential. How many guys do you know that have a curveball as their "go to" pitch. When he gets control of that fastball, he's going to be a great weapon out of the bullpen". It was a rough 6th, but he obviously settled down, striking out the side in the 7th. Hancock went 3 innings walking 6 striking out 7.
Despite the 6 BB's, none of the 3 runs given up by Hancock were earned.

The Marlins and Pirates are scheduled to square off one more time Sunday February 6th, before the season begins one week later.

MARLINS INK EX-PRO......

February 9, 2005
The Orlando Marlins, thin on pitching, went out and upgraded their staff, by acquiring former professional pitcher Darrin Reichle..
“The move really brings us up a few notches”. said manager and G.M. Rich Musumeci. “When you get the opportunity to add a talented ball player such as D-Man to your ballclub, you jump at it!”
When he’s ready, Reichle will join Robb Cymerman and Bill Kerkmann in the starting rotation, though the latter two will see some time in the bullpen, where the Marlins are most vulnerable.
The bullpen includes untested but promising rookie lefthander Rob Hancock, utility man Tony Burnham, and if he signs with the team, hard throwing right hander, Brett Mitchell.
Speaking from his home in Oviedo FL, Musumeci said the Marlins pitching problems are not over just yet as we scramble to sign one more dependable arm, but this signing surely takes a lot of the urgency off the search.
The Marlins will scrimmage the Orlando Pirates this Sunday as a final tune up for the regular season. Bill Kerkmann is expected to start for the Fish with Reichle, Cymerman and Hancock seeing action from the pen.

FISH TOP PIRATES, READY FOR SEASON......

February 7, 2005
If the spring training games against the Pirates are any indication of how competitive the Marlins will be, and by all accounts they are, this should be one exciting inaugural year!

Behind great pitching and timely hitting, the Marlins swam past the pirates 4-3 in a tight but thrilling scrimmage game, after tying 4-4 in the previous matchup a week earlier.
"I am absolutely psyched about the way our team has played in the only two scrimmage games." said manager Rich Musumeci. "The Pirates are a solid club, with no glaring holes that I could see. They played tough, and both games went down to the wire. Thats why I can say we should have a very good season. I hope the guys are as thrilled as I am, but we need to focus our attention on opening day, and our game against the Astros."

The Marlins are set to open up their season this Sunday February 13th, 9am at Jones H.S. Bill Kerkmann is rumored to be the starting pitcher, with Reichle starting the season in the pen, and Cymerman out getting a pedicure.

BID FOR 3RD STRAIGHT COME FROM BEHIND WIN THWARTED BY TIME LIMIT.........

March 8, 2005
The Orlando Marlins (2-4) got short-changed Sunday in their game vs. the Mets (2-3) when time expired before the 9th inning could be played.
Down 8-5, the Fish managed a rally in the bottom of the 8th, but fell short when the 3rd out was recorded with bases loaded. Thinking they’d get another shot in the 9th, they were surprised when the home plate umpire called it a game at exactly 11:15 am, citing the league rule of no new inning to be started after 2 hours and 45 min. Final- 8-7

Time, of course would not have been an issue, had the Mets been able to field a team on time. With the game scheduled to begin at 8:30 am, the Mets didn’t have 9 players until 8:43, using 13 of the allotted 15 “grace” minutes. Unfortunately for the Marlins, the game clock starts at 8:30 regardless.

Once it finally began, the game was exciting, competitive and fun….until the Mets, after taking a 1 run lead in the 6th inning, decided to milk the clock, and employ stall tactics (dragging their feet between innings, stepping off the mound for no apparent reason, etc.) as to not get the whole game in due to their lack of pitching depth.
The stall tactics worked, as the umpires were more concerned about getting a 45 min break in before the next game, than the integrity of the game itself. Aware of the Mets’ foolishness, and after repeatedly being asked by Marlins’ manager Rich Musumeci to speed the game up, the feeling was the game officials should have permitted the game to run its course, despite time. After all, the next game wasn’t due to start until noon, and there was no way the Mets were going to hold off the Fish with the pitching they had.

“That’s a tough one to swallow” muttered a dejected Marlin player as he walked off the field Sunday. A tough one to swallow indeed, considering how tough the next 3 games are going to be. “We needed that win,” said Marlin pitcher Rob Hancock. “We have to beat teams like that.”
Said one disgusted Marlins player, "We didn't just lose a game, but we also lost respect for a franchise in this great league of ours."

Marlin’s players and fans can be upset with the “Bush League” tactics employed by the Mets. They can be upset with the umpires for not taking control of the game, but inevitably, the Fish can mostly be upset with themselves, for not burying a team like that early, and never getting in that position late in the game.

It’s not that the Marlins are making tons of mistakes. Actually, for a first year team, they are playing extremely well. It’s just the timing of the mistakes that hurt the team in the end.

The Marlins will try to get back on track this Sunday at noon against the undefeated Crew (4-0). On the mound for the Marlins will be Robb “Pray for rain” Cymerman 1-1 4.20 ERA with plenty of fresh arms in the bullpen to back him up.

MARLINS CAN'T OVERCOME ERRORS, FALL TO THE CREW 10-6

March 13, 2005
Orlando Marlins pitcher Robb Cymerman, (1-2) thought games like these were behind him.
Those nightmare games of the NABF Cardinals where he was victimized by his own team error after error. Cym proclaimed himself “ The worst luck pitcher in amateur baseball history” after posting an 0-12 record with an ERA of 3.16 back in 1999,

The team that surrounds him today is FAR more superior in talent and experience, but yet he’s getting the same results. That's what's so perplexing! Six runs given up today. All unearned. 27 runs given up on the year. 20 unearned. Yes this is amateur baseball. People are human, they can and will make mistakes, but year after year Cym seems to have it the worst.
“He (Cymerman), frustrates good hitters by keeping them off balance with curve balls, sliders, change ups and the occasional fastball”, said a teammate. Unfortunately, it seems as though he frustrates his team just as much. “It’s like a black cloud is over me every time I’m out there!” claimed a bewildered Cymerman. Cym didn’t give up an earned run, scattered 5 hits struck out 4 and walked 2 in 5 innings. Sounds like the line of a winning pitcher, but no.
Cym was down 3-1 until the 4th when the Fish (2-5) had one of their big innings scoring 4 to go ahead 5-3. The lead wouldn’t hold, as the Crew (5-0)scored 3 runs of their own taking advantage of three Marlin errors in the top of the 5th. The Crew would never surrender the lead again, as they came up with 4 more runs in the 7th off reliever Tony Burnham.
“You have to hand it to that team (The Crew). They don’t make many mistakes, and they take full advantage of yours”, said manager Rich Musumeci. “That’s why they’re undefeated! But give us some credit as well. We scored almost as many runs off them today as they gave up their previous 4 games combined!” As I said before, for an expansion team, we are playing pretty damn good baseball. We just have to limit our errors in critical situations. Or, keep Cym off the mound!”

Some positives out of the game were Brett Mitchell breaking out of a mini slump, going 4 for 4, Marlyn Kelch showing he can take a hit as he gets plunked for the 4th time this season, and Todd Teeter getting hit for the 3rd time. But we all already know Mr. Teeter can take a hit.......and then some. And Brad Allen busting out with his first hit of the season, putting Darrin Reichle in position to score the teams final run.

We are getting there boys. Don’t get down and hang in there. There is a lot of baseball left. and things will start to go our way.....eventually.
Next up for the Fish are the Orlando A’s next Sunday at noon. On the mound will be Rob Hancock 0-2, 4.15 ERA as he looks to turn things around for the team, and himself. Rob has pitched very well, but like Cym, has also seen his fair share of hard luck.
LET’S GO, MARLINS!!!

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MELTDOWN!!!!!..............

March 20, 2005
That’s the only word to describe what happened this afternoon. The Marlins (2-6) didn’t even put up a fight against the A’s (3-1) as they were embarrassed 13-1 in a mercy shortened game.

Rob Hancock making his 3rd start of the season looked a little shaky early on getting into trouble with walks, and not having the usual control of that nasty curveball. The best defensive output of the game came in the first inning when, with bases loaded and nobody out, Hancock got the A’s cleanup hitter to ground into a triple play. SS Brian Brown, filling in for the injured Brian Joslin, fielded the ball and tossed it to 2B Marlyn Kelch, who completed the double play on to first base where Todd Teeter then gunned down the runner at home trying to score from 2nd. The A’s got a run, but the momentum carried into the dugout was huge! Unfortunately the Marlins could not ride the wave as the A’s starting pitcher kept command of the game and the Marlin hitters off balance with a lot of off speed stuff.
The defense would totally fall apart as 9 of the 13 runs given up were unearned.
Hancock pitched well enough to win, even without his best stuff, and despite getting “squeezed” by the home plate umpire.
After all was said and done, the Fish committed 9 errors practically handing the game to the A’s. It was a pretty rough game to watch, and we all hope it was just the culmination of everyone having an off day, rather than a sign of things to come. “We took a couple of steps backwards today”, said manager Rich Musumeci. “We were making progress, but it all came apart today. These things can and will happen, and we definitely need to put this game behind us and move on.”

The Marlins must re-group in a hurry, as they take on the (arguably) best team in the league right now in the Reds (6-0) this Tuesday night.
On the mound for the fish will be Robb Cymerman 1-2 3.15 ERA looking to put his last start behind him and get the Fish back on track.

REDS WIN BEHIND SOLID DEFENSE 6-1....

March 23, 2005
The Marlins fell to 2-7 after a tough loss against one of the league best in the Orlando Reds (7-0).
The Marlin defense wasn't at its best for a 3rd straight game. Offensively, they just couldn't get it together against some solid pitching by the Reds. The pitching on this team seems to be the one solid mark as Cymerman, Burnham and Reichle combined for a 4 hitter.

Cymerman, making his 4th start of the season didn't look particularly sharp, but alot of the credit for that has to go to really poor calls on the home plate umps part. No one wants to put blame on the umps, it sounds like sour grapes, but there was no denying he was inconsistent.
Cymerman walked 7 batters in 5 innings of work, but curiously only 2 of them scored. In the 5 runs given up by Cym, only 1 was earned which lowered his ERA to 2.88.
Tony Burnham pitched the 6th but left after complaining of arm pain.
Darrin Reichle came on for the 7th and 8th after a month hiatus from the mound. "He was still hurting, but wanted to test the waters as to where he is at this point", said Manager Rich Musumeci. The scary part is he can't be more than 30% at this point, and yet pitched
extremely well against a very strong lineup. "It was just great seeing him back out there. Hopefully it didn't set him back in his rehabbing".

Missing the game with injuries, were Brian Joslin (back), Bill Kerkmann (thumb) and Brett Mitchell (back).
The two week layoff due to the Easter holiday couldn't have come at a better time. This gives the guys a chance to rest up and get healthy, so we can turn this thing around.

Next game will be Sunday April 3rd at 7PM which will be a rematch against the Cubs (4-3) who will be looking for revenge after the Fish's come from behind win back on March 1st.
Probable starter will be Robb Cymerman 1-3 2.88 ERA.

Have a great holiday, and we'll see you back on the field April 3rd!
LET'S GO, MARLINS!!!

CUBS GET REVENGE, DOWN MARLINS 12-3............

April 3, 2005
The Orlando Marlins (2-8) dropped their fourth straight game Sunday night, losing 12-3 at the hands of the Cubs (6-3).
Cubs starting pitcher Dan Sugar pitched a solid game, holding the Marlins to just 3 runs in 7 innings scattering 8 hits striking out 4 and walking none.
It looked as though the Fish were finally getting to Sugar in the 7th, but the Cubs put in their closer Cory Huston in the 8th and he proceeded to slam the door shut striking out 5 of the 6 batters he faced.

While the Marlin’s offense continues to sputter, the defense played much better, committing only 4 errors all game and bailing starting pitcher Robb Cymerman out of trouble on more than one occasion.
In the first, Cubs leadoff hitter Denny Paganelli bunted his way on for a base hit, and Chris Fisher followed with a single into left. Paganelli was caught taking too big a lead at 2nd and got caught in a run down trying to get to third base. Fisher did not advance on the run down, but was thrown out attempting to steal 2nd a few pitches later by catcher Drew Stafford on a deadly accurate throw to Brian Brown at 2nd. Cym struck out the 3rd batter to escape without any damage. Cym was equally as lucky in the 2nd when 1B Bill Kerkmann caught a line drive and stepped on 1st doubling off the runner who reached on a leadoff walk.

But the damage was to come in the 3rd when Cym gave up 5 hits, 3 walks and was a victim of a couple of miscues which all equaled to 7 runs for the Cubs.
The Marlins would never recover going on to lose 12-3.
Cymerman wasn’t awful, but again certainly not at the top of his game. (Perhaps the late Saturday night trip to Rachels had something to do with it?)
Cym did settle down after the 3rd, but was pulled after the 5th in order to get Bill Kerkmann some work.

It was Kerkmann’s debut on the mound this season, and it was a pretty good effort. Kerkmann pitched 2 innings giving up 1 unearned run 4 hits and struck out 3. “He has quite an arsenal” said Marlin fan and neighbor of Bill Kerkmann, Craig Hechler. “I think he threw like 7 different pitches tonight!” “That’s what Bill will do to you. You never know what he is going to throw” said manager Rich Musumeci. “He’s got the curveball, slider, knuckleball, fastball and that fan favorite “folly floater”. It’s like a knuckle curve, but reeeeal slow and arc like”.
The Marlins hope to build up Kerkmann’s stamina to where it was before the season began. As his teammates remember, he missed the first 4 games of the season due to walking pneumonia, totally wiping out any strength he gained in the pre season and off season workouts.
He is surely needed on the mound. The Marlins staff, although with a collective ERA of only 3.30, is getting dangerously thin. Darrin Reichle’s shoulder continues to hurt, as does lefty Rob Hancock’s arm. Hancock was scratched last minute from pitching in today’s game when it was discovered HE WAS LYING TO HIS COACH ABOUT THE CONDITION OF HIS PITCHING ARM!
“I have to be careful with him” said Rich Musumeci. “He’ll go out there if his arm is hanging off!”
Hancock will most likely see some action this Sunday when the Marlins take on the Astros. Probable starter for the Fish will be Bill Kerkmann 0-0 4.50 ERA.

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MARLINS CAN'T HOLD ON FOR WIN, FINISH IN 9-9 TIE.....

April 10, 2005
The Orlando Marlins (2-8-1) finished in a 9-9 tie with the Astros (8-3-1) today, hopefully marking the beginning of some offensive output this team was expected to have when the season began.
After putting up only 5 runs the last 3 games total, the Fish came out of the box hot, matching that total in the first inning alone. Already down 3-0 in the bottom of the first, CF Bobby Esteves continued his hitting streak with a lead off double. With one out, Astros right fielder dropped a Todd Teeter line drive making it first and third sparking a 5 run rally. Marlins cleanup hitter Bret Mitchell roped an RBI single, followed by an RBI double by catcher Drew Stafford and a triple into right by Darrin Reichle resulting in 2 of the 4 runs he would drive in for the day. Starting pitcher Bill Kerkmann would help himself with a single, driving in Reichle for the final run of the inning. The Astros would never lead again as the Fish kept a lead scoring 2 in the 3rd and 2 in the 6th.
Leading 9-7 heading into the 7th and final inning (due to time constraints), the Marlins put Bret Mitchell on the mound for his first pitching appearance of the season. Unfortunately, a dropped ball in the outfield a few passed balls and a single lead to 2 runs, tying the game at 9.

“This ones on me gentlemen” That’s all the despondent Marlin manager had to say after the game. “I should have never put Brett (Mitchell) in that position for his first outing of the season. Rob Hancock was pitching fine. He was sharp and well rested. I guess I just thought that run from 1st to home following Teeter’s triple in the 6th may have taken a lot out of him. Burnham wasn’t ready, but Mitchell was so I put in a fresh arm”. Losing the lead wasn’t the only bad news to come out of the game. Mitchell pulled a muscle in his throwing arm. The severity is unknown at this point.

The Astros are obviously a very good team and are having a solid year thus far, as their 8-3 record before today’s game would indicate. The fish had a chance to steal one, but it just didn’t come together. Starter Bill Kerkmann struggled a bit and is still trying to shake some of the rust off. 4 ER 8 hits 7 BB’s and 2 K’s in 4 innings was the line for Kerkmann.
Pitcher Rob Hancock came on in relief for the 5th and 6th and looked great giving up an unearned run, 2 hits a BB and 3 K’s.

The Fish are on the right track. The defense for the most part continues to improve and if today is any indication, so has the offense.
Next chance for a win comes in 48 hours when the fish take on the struggling Braves (3-8-1) for the first time this season. The Braves were a playoff team last season, but have lost some talent and got off to a slow start. However, they should NOT be taken lightly, as they’ve gone 2-1-1 in there last 4 games, with one of the wins against the high flying Cardinals (10-2).
Probable starter will be the well rested Robb (pray for rain) Cymerman 1-4 3.30 ERA.
GO FISH!



BRAVES BLANK MARLINS, 5-0....

April 13, 2005
After a 9 run output on Sunday against the Astros, the Marlin’s (2-9-1) bats went dormant again, as they lose to the Braves (4-8-1) 5-0.
Starting pitcher Robb Cymerman dropped to 1-5 despite a great performance as he went the distance pitching 8 innings, giving up 2 ER 8 hits 2 BB’s and 7 K’s.

The Braves starter also went the distance throwing a solid game, scattering 6 hits 2 BB’s and 5 K’s. He pitched himself out of several jams frustrating Marlin hitters. The Fish had bases loaded with 1 out in the 5th, runners on 2nd and 3rd with no one out in the 6th, but failed to produce a run in either situation.
“I don’t know what happened out there tonight” said a puzzled Marlin. “Tip your cap to that guy, he pitched a great game, but we should have gotten something going at some point. We all just seemed a bit flat tonight”.

Losing is getting old, quick. But hang in there guys. Teams like the Cubs are in their 3rd season. It was real rough going their first 2 seasons, now look at them. A couple of good draft picks, some time together as a team, and they’re 7-3 and playing great baseball and if the season ended today, they’d be the 4th seed.
As noted in the previous post, the Braves have had their problems but they seem to be coming on now, winning 3 of their last 4 games. The Marlins can have the same fortune. The talent is CERTAINLY there. The mistakes which are killing this team need to be controlled. Of the 99 runs given up, only 36 of them were earned. That’s a few wins right there!
We are at the half way point of the season. The playoffs at this point are a long shot, but this is only the first season. Having a goal of finishing in the top 5 of a 13 team league in your inaugural season is a bit lofty. It would be a great lift for this team to make some positive things happen in the second half, and take that momentum into the fall season.
The only way to do that is to keep positive, start practicing more and have some fun.

Next game is Sunday 12 noon against the Dodgers (0-6-1). The starting pitcher has not been named as of yet, but with Kerkmann, Hancock and Reichle hurting, management is leaning towards closer Tony Burnham 1-0 1.47 ERA to start a winning streak.
GO FISH!!


MARLINS DOWN DODGERS, 11-6......

April 18, 2005
The Orlando Marlins (3-9-1) handed the Dodgers (0-8-1) their eighth loss of the season behind strong pitching, super defense and great hitting.

Last minute starter Darrin Reichle (1-1) in his longest outing of the season went 5 solid innings for the win giving up 2 ER and 5 hits while walking 1 and striking out 6. Bill Kerkmann also looked good in relief letting up 1 ER on 3 hits and 2 BB and 3 K’s in 3 innings.
With a 7 run 9th inning lead, the Marlins let newcomer Josh Ray loose and although a bit wild at first, hitting the first batter he faced and walking the second and having them advance and score on a few wild pitches, he settled down and struck out the next 3 batters to end the game.
“I was a bit nervous out there” said Josh. “It was my first work off the mound in a while, and I was trying to do everything D-man (Reichle) was telling me to do as far as my delivery. It felt good to get out there finally.”
When Josh gets his pitches under control, there’s no doubt he’s going to be lights out. This pick up was a steal for the pitching hungry Fish.

A season high 11 runs, 15 hits and best of all, only 2 errors helped keep the Marlins in control .
Down 2-0 in the 1st with bases loaded and 1 out, the fish tied the game with a single by outfielder Tony Burnham, and a fielder’s choice by catcher George Zepeda.
The Dodgers picked up a run in the 3rd, but the Marlins responded in the 4th with 2 runs on back to back doubles by All-Star Todd Teeter and pitcher Darrin Reichle, and a 2 out double by Bill Kerkmann who finished with 4 RBI’s on the day.
The Fish never looked back, and held the lead for the remainder of the day.

This is what happens when all cylinders are firing. Hopefully this team can keep it going and run off a few wins to make the season respectable. The runs should start coming a little easier with Reichle coming out of his slump raising his batting average to .280 in just 2 games, Bill Kerkmann starting to put some serious wood on the ball, All-Stars Stafford and Teeter continuing their assault on opposing pitchers, and leadoff hitter Bobby Esteves consistently getting on base with his .500 batting average. Now, if we can only KEEP him on the bases, we’ll have a chance!
The pitching has been pretty constant despite the injuries, although the team ERA has jumped up to 3.50 recently. Not horrid by any stretch, but something to keep an eye on.
The defense seems to be headed in the right direction as well, putting together a few nice games as of late.

The All-Star game is Saturday at 11am, and then it’s back on the field for the Marlins on Sunday as they try to make it 2 wins in a row when they take on the Mets at 8:30 am.
On the mound for the Fish will be Tony Burnham 1-0 1.47 ERA making his first start of the season.
GO FISH!!

ALL-STAR GAME A SUCCESS!....

April 23, 2005
The 2005 All-Star game was a blast! Thanks to those who attended.

The Home team consisted of All-Stars from, the Marlins, Astros, Yankees, Reds, Pirates, Dodgers and Crew, while the visiting team fielded the best from the Braves, Mets, A's, Cubs, Angels and Cardinals.
It was a close game until the 7th, when the home team started to pull away, and held on to win 8-2.
Todd Teeter started in right field, batted 3rd and was the first player on the day to get a hit and score the first run. He finished 1 for 1 with a single, HBP, a run scored and a stolen base.
Drew Stafford batted 10th and hit in an A/B role and flew out twice. He caught the 5th and 6th innings, having the pleasure of catching his battery mate Robb Cymerman for one of those innings.
Bret Mitchell got in midway through the game at SS, and played very well. He went went 0-2 with an RBI sac fly. He denies having any flashbacks of playing on that field just 25 years before with the K.C. Royals organization, but we think differently.
Robb Cymerman, playing as an alternate for Tony Burnham, went 1 for 2 and pitched a scoreless 6th inning, walking 1 and giving up a hit.
He also got in at 2nd base for the final 3 innings.

Congratulations to our All-Stars! Now lets get back to our season and keep the winning streak alive!
Go Fish!


BURNHAM BURNS METS WITH COMPLETE GAME WIN……..

April 24, 2005
Pitcher Utility player Tony Burnham, usually used as the team’s closer, has been lobbying to start a game all season. With his history of arm problems Marlin’s brass was hesitant. How could you not be? The guy has been lights out pretty much whenever he steps on the mound. His longest outing was 6 innings back on February 22nd against the Angels, other than that it’s been 1 to 2 inning appearances. He’s the last guy you’d want to lose by abusing his arm in an unnecessary start. It’s a tough decision to have your closer start a game when there are so many fresh arms on the bench.

Well, “Bernie” got his wish, and proceeded to reward Marlin’s management handsomely.
120 pitches, 9 innings, 2 ER 10 scattered hits, 1 BB and 12 K’s. The 35 year old right hander took a 2 hitter into the 5th before letting up a run, and actually struck out 7 straight batters at one point! “That was one hell of a performance” said fellow pitcher Robb Cymerman. “The only problem is, his ERA was so low it actually went UP after today!” Burnham raised his record to 2-0 with a save, and his ERA from 1.47 to 1.65. “The ERA is a great thing to look at, but I’m just glad I could go out there and help this team” said Burnham. “We needed this game.” Burnham assured the team his arm was fine after the longest outing of his career, but time will tell if this game was a mistake or not. If not, than that’s one scary arm in the rotation.

Burnham wasn’t the only story today. The defense had its best game of the season by far, with 1 lone error in the 4th by second baseman Robb Cymerman. Cym quickly redeemed himself on the next play with a smooth toss to SS Brian Joslin to help turn a good looking double play to end the inning. Left fielder Todd Teeter, fresh off his All-Star performance on Saturday, gunned down 2 runners on the day. The first, trying to stretch a single into a double in the 4th, and a momentum killing play at the plate in the 7th, leaving the Mets with a runner on first with 2 out down by 2 rather than 1 out down by 1.
Marlyn Kelch, usually seen at 2B, played well in center, and SS Buzzy Joslin continued to improve after making the jump from softball to hardball at that position.

Offensively, it was a little touch and go. The Fish seemed to hit the Mets starter well the first two innings, picking up 4 runs in the 2nd, but he held his own surrendering just 3 more hits the next 5 innings, till being relieved in the 8th.
The Marlin’s “big guns” Stafford, Reichle and Teeter, woke up in the 9th, picking up 2 insurance runs on 2 singles and a triple making the final 7-2.

That’s two straight wins for the fish, upping their record to 4-9-1. They’ll try to make it 3 in a row this Tuesday, when they take on the Dodgers at 7pm. Likely starter is Bill Kerkmann 0-0 6.00 ERA. Kerkmann will be looking for his first win in just his second start of the season.
GO FISH!!!

………IN OTHER NEWS, the Marlins signed pitcher Alex Moncada after he was released by the Dodgers earlier this week. “It was a mutual split” said Moncada. “I need to get some steady work off the mound, and I just wasn’t getting it with the Dodgers. I still like those guys, and I do wish them well, but I think this is the best decision for me right now.”
The Marlins also signed free agent pitcher Colin Brady. Colin joined the team today, and got some time out in right field. He will also see some time at 1st and 3rd and, when he is ready, some calls out of the bullpen.

MARLINS LOSE 9-6 IN SHORTENED GAME........

April 27, 2005
Under intermittent rain and a surrounding lightning storm, the Orlando Marlins (4-10-1) could not overcome a very forgetful 6 run 2nd inning by the Dodgers (2-9-2), losing 9-6 in 6 innings.

A game that started off very promising which would have seen starting pitcher Bill Kerkmann retire the first 6 batters he faced, turned ugly after a blown call at third. With 2 out and nobody on, Kerkmann gave up a double on a ball that was lost in the twilight by rightfielder Colin Brady, but Brady quickly got the ball to second baseman Robb Cymerman who appeared to get the throw to third baseman Bret Mitchell in time as the runner was tagged on the leg BEFORE hitting the bag. The runner was called safe, and the flood gates opened wide. 5 singles and 3 BB's later, the Fish were down 6-0.
Dusk and rain proved to be a problem all night for the Marlins, as at least 4 routine fly balls fell for base hits. Unfortunately for Kerkmann, the runs were earned because no one touched the balls before they hit the wet grass.
Lefty Rob Hancock came on in relief in the 4th after Kerkmann was ejected for arguing a bad call, and looked solid giving up 1 run on 1 hit and 2 BB's. He also struck out 1 in his 3 innings of work.

The Fish battled back scoring 5 runs in the 4th but ran out of time as the lightning drew closer and the game was called at the start of the 7th.
The Fish will regroup and take on the high flying Cardinals (14-2) and will sacrifice, oops, I mean send either Robb Cymerman 1-5 3.08 ERA or D-man Darrin Reichle 1-1 3.00 ERA to the mound Sunday at 8:30am.
Go Fish!!

CYMERMAN LOSES SECOND STRAIGHT COMPLETE GAME………….

May 2, 2005
Orlando Marlins (4-11-1) starter Robb Cymerman saw his record and ERA drop to 1-6 and 2.74, in a pitchers duel vs. Central Florida Cardinals (16-2) ace Andy Boysen 4-0, losing 2-0.

Cymerman pitched an awesome game against what’s probably the best team in the league right now, surrendering only 5 hits through 8 innings, walking 2 and striking out 3. “Our offense just couldn’t get anything going against that guy” said Cym. “We had a few chances early on, but he settled in and shut us down.”
The Cards starter gave up 5 hits, but only 1 of them after the 5th, as 14 Marlins went down on strikes.
One of those hits came on a first pitch swing by Jason Taddie, who the Marlins just signed that morning. “That guy already has half the hits I have, and he’s only seen one pitch!” said an astounded Brian Joslin. “The guy hasn’t played hardball in 10 years!” If that is any indication of Taddie’s talent, then this was one hell of a pick up!
The Fish had a couple of chances in the 1st and 4th inning, but couldn’t get a run across.
“That was not the team to hit against without 2 of our best hitters in Teeter and Mitchell” said manager Rich Musumeci. “Hopefully next time we play them, we will have a full crew.” This game makes it 16 straight innings pitched for Cym that the Fish have not scored a run. 5-0 vs. the Braves and 2-0 vs. the Cards.

Defensively, aside from one play in the 3rd when the Cards ended up with runners on 2nd and 3rd due to 2 errors, the Fish were at the top of their game. Several nice plays from SS Brian Joslin, and 3rd baseman Brian Brown kept the fish in it, as well as second baseman Marlyn Kelch and recently acquired Alex Moncada who filled in quite nicely at first base. If the Fish keep playing defense like this, the wins will surely come.
Great effort by all!

Next few games are as follows, Tuesday May 10th vs. the Reds, probable starter Robb Cymerman 1-6 2.74 ERA and a double header Sunday May 15th. Probable starter for Game one against fellow expansion team Orlando Pirates will be Darrin Reichle 1-1 3.00 ERA and game 2 in a rematch against the A’s will be Tony Burnham, 2-0 1.65 ERA.

IN OTHER NEWS…………. Marlins sign free agent P/Utility Jason Taddie. Jason is a hard throwing right hander, who may challenge for a spot in the rotation some time down the road, and can fill in at catcher and pretty much anywhere else on the diamond. From what we see so far, it looks like he has a lot to offer.
To make room for Taddie on the roster, Marlins gave OF Orlando Nunez his requested release so he can explore other options. Nunez was just caught in a battle for playing time as the Marlins have a plethora of outfielders. “Orlando is a great guy, and we wish him the best” said Musumeci. “Hopefully he’ll latch on with another team, and we’ll catch him at the fields.”

OFFENSIVE WOES CONTINUE FOR MARLINS........

May 11, 2005
The Orlando Marlins (4-12-1) offense has failed them again. This time at the hands of the mighty Reds (14-4). Yes give the Red's pitchers credit, there is a reason that they're 14 & 4.
But to only come away with 3 hits is quite disappointing.

Until the 9th inning when Josh Ray was hit by a pitch, stole second, advanced to 3rd on a ground out, and scored on a passed ball, the Fish were scoreless for 19 straight innings.
The talent on this team says these Marlins can roll off quite a few runs in the upcoming games.
Putting a few hits together and getting some runs on the board will be key to snapping this drought. There's plenty of baseball left to get on a roll heading into the fall season.

Marlins starter Darrin Reichle (1-2), who swapped starts with Robb Cymerman, picked up the loss after going 3 innings giving up 1 ER on 5 hits walking one and striking out one. 4 other Marlin pitchers saw action last night, which is the last thing the team needed with a double header coming up this Sunday. "I wanted to keep our arms fresh for these next two games" said manager Rich Musumeci. "Not use everyone I had in the bullpen!"
The good thing is Cymerman, who will now start game 1 and Burnham, the starter in game 2, are inning eaters. Provided they pitch as well as they normally do, there shouldn't be a great need for a lot of relief help.

Cymerman 1-6 2.62 ERA will be starting against the Pirates (7-10) who he faced earlier in the season working 2 innings in relief, and gave up 1 unearned run.
Game 2 will find Tony Burnham 2-0 1.65 ERA on the hill against the A's (5-10).
Seven games remain on the schedule for the Fish, heres hoping these next two start a little run to some Respectability.
GO FISH!!

FISH DROP SIXTH STRAIGHT BEHIND SKELETON CREW......

May 21, 2005
The Orlando Marlins (4-15-1) took another step in the quest for the first round pick, losing to the Angels (4-14) 9-4.

Missing six starters, the Fish were competitive through 7 innings, until the Angels pulled away to stay in the 8th. Newly acquired free agent pitcher Jim Groves, started his first game for his new team taking the loss going 6 innings while giving up 2 ER, 9 hits 3 BB's and 4 K's. "I wasn't sharp out there today" said Groves. "I have some work to do".
Aside from pitching an inning in relief last Sunday, Groves hasn't thrown off a mound since November. That was a pretty good effort for someone with alot of rust! "This guy has some filthy stuff" said teammate Alex Moncada. "oh yeah, and he can HIT too!" in 3 games, Groves is 5 for 7 with 2 doubles, 2 RBI and 2 stolen bases.

It will be interesting to see how well these Fish do come the fall and next spring with the pitching staff it has put together.
After starting the season a little thin in that department, GM and manager Rich Musumeci has added some real quality arms to the mix.
After a full season under their belts, and a rigorous training camp planned this summer, the Fish should be quite competitive this fall and beyond.

The season is narrowing down, and the Marlins would like to grab another win or 2 and the first opportunity will be this Sunday am against the Braves. Starting pitcher will be Tony Burnham 2-1 2.62 ERA.

.......In other news... Pitcher and Utility man Bill Kerkmann's season may have ended the way it began, on the D.L.
Kerkmann missed the first four games of this 2005 season suffering from walking pneumonia which drained his strength and energy after a great spring training.
Now it seems his back has let him down. Kerkmann hasn't ruled out playing again this season, but it sounds as if he's in some pain, and the season has only four games left. We hope to see him back on the field in the fall healthy and ready to go.

.........Other players suffering through injuries are infielder Brian Brown and first baseman Todd Teeter.
Brown has been hobbling on a bad knee for a few weeks now after a collision with a runner at 2nd base. His defensive play has not been affected, but offensively it has taken its toll.
Teeter has an inflamed left elbow which hampers his swing. Although he may not hit any balls out of the park in his situation, he still managed to go 2 for 3 on Thursday night vs the Angels.

MARLINS EDGE BRAVES 5-4....

May 22, 2005
The Orlando Marlins (5-15-1) defeated a surging Braves team (7-12-2) to keep out of the league basement, at least for now, with 3 games remaining.
It was a total team effort on this one. Starting pitcher Tony Burnham (3-1) wasn’t at his best, but was helped out by some great defensive play and a 4 run first inning.

Burnham went the distance again, surrendering 3 ER on 9 hits 4 walks and 5 K’s.
Defensively, the Fish were sharp. Solid outfield play by Teeter in center, and a great catch and throw from Josh Ray in right to Drew Stafford at the plate to save a run.
Infield play was equally good with one lone throwing error in the 3rd.

It was the last Sunday game for us until the fall. Next 3 games are Thursday, Tuesday, and Thursday. Some tough teams are on the menu all playoff bound, starting with the Yankees this Thursday, the first place Crew on Tuesday, and the 2nd place Cardinals Thursday June 2nd.

It will be pitch-by-committee Thursday vs. the Yanks, with Alex Moncada 0-0 6.00 ERA as the likely candidate to start.


******* Anyone interested in playing in the Wiffleball tournament on Saturday June 4th in Rockledge, please let me know. It is an absolute blast and not expensive at all. Our season will be over, so you don't have to worry about saving your arms! We will begin practicing for the fall season somewhere around the last week of June. That gives our old bodies a few weeks to rest up.
Any questions shoot me an email or give me a call. Hope to see alot of you guys out there!!

MARLINS SHORT HANDED AGAIN, FALL TO YANKS, 12-2

May 26, 2005
For the second time this season, squaring up against the league’s 2004 champions, the Marlins were missing several key components. The result; a 12-2 mercy shortened game.
The Yankees (11-9-1) needed to win to keep pace with the Astros, Mets and Cubs for one of the final 2 playoff spots. The Marlins (5-16-1) however, are just playing out the string and getting ready to regroup for the fall season.

With starters Cymerman and Burnham out of town, and newly acquired Jim Groves being shut down for the final 3 games of the season, the Fish turned to a rusty, but willing Alex Moncada to start against the Yanks.
Moncada would have his problems early on, but seemed to work out of a couple of jams early surrendering only 3 runs in the first two innings when it could have been much worse.
Moncada lasted only until the 4th inning, when the Marlins had to turn to Darrin “D-Man” Reichle, but the 10 run lead the defending champs mounted was too much for the offensively struggling Marlins to overcome.

The Marlin’s season is coming into its final week with their final 2 games on Tuesday and Thursday against the leagues top two teams, the Crew (17-2) and Cardinals (18-3-1).
Cym and Burnham figure to start the remaining 2 games, depending on availability.

It has been a rough inaugural season for the Marlins, who will limp into the off-season with many injuries and ailments to be tended to. Even with only 5 wins (to this point), morale and confidence is high. How could it not be? The talent is there. I would match our starters (should they all be healthy, and show at the same time) with any team in the league!
It was a disappointing season in a way, but the players know they let a few get away, and played pretty tough in a lot of games.
I will be anxious to see a more polished and disciplined Marlins team hit the field next spring, after the summer workouts and practices and a fall season to fine tune things.

Have a great Memorial Day weekend!!! Catch you guys on Tuesday!
Go Fish!



MARLINS, CREW RAINED OUT.......

May 31, 2005
Marlin's rematch against the Crew on Tuesday was a washout. Next game is Thursday at 7:00pm against the Cardinals. On the mound for the Fish, in what may be their final game of the 2005 spring season, will be Tony Burnham 3-1 2.70 ERA.

The season is ending at a good time for the Fish as more names were added to the dreaded D.L.
Joining P/Utility Bill Kerkmann are the following.....
P/OF Colin Brady broke his leg in the 3rd inning of the Braves game sliding into 3rd base. He remained in the lineup grabbing another at bat in the 5th and reached on an error while helping drive in the final and winning run.
Brady is planning on rejoining the team over the summer practices, and hopes to be ready for the fall season.

Utility player Todd Teeter has shut it down for the last three games of the season due to his ailing elbow. Despite not being able to swing without excruciating pain, Teeter managed to go 4-5 with a BB, 2 runs scored and a stolen base.
No word yet from medical personnel as to the extent of the injury.

C George Zepeda will miss the final 2 games of the season with an injured knee. His status is uncertain for the fall season.

Also waiting to hear from the Doctor, but not accepting the D.L. status, is IF Brian Brown. Brian has been playing injured pretty much the whole season.
After returning from Puerto Rico in a tournament with the Orlando Reds, Brown got off to a slow start due to strained quads, which limited his speed and aggressiveness. Brown is now suffering from a knee injury he sustained a few weeks back in a collision with an infielder.



TEAM LEADERS- 2005 SPRING SEASON.....

June 25, 2005
Great inaugural season guys!
It looks as if we will not be able to make up the rain outs after all. Mother Nature has taken her toll on the fields, and left many teams well short of the planned 24 game season.
There may be a game in a week or so thrown our way, but it won't count towards our final stats.
The final stats are on the stats page, but here is a quick glance at the team leaders......

AVG. D.Stafford -.400
(honorable mention to late comer Jim Groves with his .583 avg in 5 games.)
HR None, so we'll go with triples......
3B D.Reichle - 3
RBI D.Reichle - 12
RUNS T.Burnham - 12
SB M.Kelch - 7
WINS T.Burnham - 3
SV T.Burnham - 1
IP R.Cymerman- 54
ERA R.Cymerman- 2.50
And 1 final category I feel the need to add, just because it's the most painful one to lead in.....
HBP M.Kelch - 7. Way to take'em for the team Marlyn!

Thanks for making it a pretty competitive and fun season. It was a blast despite our finish. I still think we have as much talent on this team as any other in the league and a great bunch of guys to boot!
We'll address the few missing pieces and depth through the draft and free agency, and start winning some ball games!
Looking forward to future seasons, and to making this team one of the best in the league.
See you guys in a couple of weeks. Practice times will be posted.
Have a great 4th of July weekend!
GO FISH!!

DOUBLEHEADER SET FOR JULY 3RD vs CANADIAN JUNIOR NATIONALS AND DODGERS.......

June 26, 2005
We have a game scheduled against the Junior National team from Newfoundland, Canada on July 3rd at 2pm, and a game against the Dodgers at 5:30pm (weather permitting of course). I will be calling you guys today (Sunday 6/26) to get a head count. If you read this before I get to you, call me. I know its a holiday weekend, but hopefully most of you will be in town and can come out for a couple of hours of baseball.
Lets give our neighbors to the north a nice Floridian welcome, eh?
GO FISH!!

MARLIN'S BULLPEN TAKES A HIT....

July 4, 2005
Call it voodoo, a hex, a curse or just plain old bad luck, but don’t call it normal, common, or an ordinary occurrence.
To have it happen once is odd. To have it happen twice on the same field, on the same day, to the same team is just flat out bizarre.
In a scrimmage doubleheader against the National Team from Newfoundland, Canada, the Orlando Marlins lost not one, but two pitchers to broken arms. The strange part of it is not that they broke their arms, but the way they broke them; throwing a pitch.

In game 1, with the Marlins down 5-3 in the 6th inning, left-handed pitcher Rob Hancock was working off the mound for the first time since May 10th. After striking out the first batter he faced and running the count on the second batter to 1and 2, Hancock “tried to put a little extra on a curve ball” and heard his humerus bone on his pitching arm snap. As a stunned Canadian team looked on in shock, teammates tried to keep him calm and comfortable until the paramedics could arrive to rush him to the E.R. “That was just awful, I feel terrible for him” said one Marlin fan. The team felt the same way, as it was evident in the way that they played the remainder of the day.

Game 2 saw the combination of the Marlins and the Orlando Dodgers join forces to take on the Newfoundland based team.
Marlin pitcher Josh Ray, who came on in the 4th inning in relief of starter Jason Taddie, was working in the 5th when on a delivery of a fastball heard a similar “snap”. As he lay there in pain, both teams and umpires converged on the fallen pitcher in disbelief that this could have happened again. As far as the paramedics, out on the field for the second time in a matter of a couple of hours, could tell he too broke the same bone almost in the same spot as his teammate Rob Hancock. The game ended in a 5-5 tie, with no one on either side wanting to finish the game. Game one was a loss, but the Fish lost more than a game. They lost two valuable and nice guys for at least the fall season.

Ray’s and Hancock’s pitching careers may be over, but the team will have a spot for them for whatever position they are able to play when they return.
Get well guys, we’re thinking of you!

GO FISH!!!

HURRICANE DENNIS REACHES US, JUST ENOUGH TO WASHOUT PRACTICE......

July 10, 2005
Sorry about the last minute cancellation this morning but the field wasn't all that great from the overnight rains, and it ended up raining a little more while we would have been out there.

The field, unfortunately for us, has been converted back to a softball field. It won't affect us working on our defense or B.P., but we'll need to find something with a mound in the next few weeks for our pitchers to work off of.
We'll try it again next Sunday (7/17) at 9:30am.

Rob Hancock and Josh Ray had their surgery's earlier this week. Rob is doing ok resting at home watching Marlins games(the REAL Marlins), and eating bon-bons.
We haven't heard from Josh yet, but I'm sure he's doing fine.
Let's wish these guys well, and a speedy recovery that gets them back on the field soon!

Some of you have said you may have a person or two interested in playing baseball. Please have them come down to our practices so we know who and what we have before the draft on August 21st.
Some of the best players over the years have come through word-of-mouth.

We'll see you guys next Sunday. Have a good week. Any questions or concerns feel free to give me a buzz.

GO FISH!!

MARLIN’S SCORE IN 2005 FALL DRAFT.........

August 21, 2005
The Orlando Marlins strengthened their ailing squad in a big way today, when they drafted P/IF Perry Teague and ex-Angel’s utility player Gustavo D’Andrea.

Teague first caught the eye of Marlin’s brass with his display off the mound. “This guy should fit in real nice on our talented pitching staff” said Coach Jimmy Groves. “Our staff took a big hit last month when we lost (Rob) Hancock and (Josh) Ray to injuries. I think Perry will really help us get over the loss.”
Defensively, Teague is as smooth as they come, with a solid glove and deadly accurate arm. “His stick isn’t so bad either” claimed OF Bobby Esteves. “Then again, I was throwing BP with a belly full of Pepsi and fried chicken gizzards.”

D’Andrea, who was released by the Orlando Angels by his request, turned out a solid performance as well. He is a solid .300 hitter, with an ability to play every position except SS and Pitcher. His former manager had nothing but positive things to say about D’Andrea, and wishes he could have stayed with the Angels. The Marlins hope to take advantage of the Angel’s loss.

Both these guys have great attitudes, and should fit right in with the great bunch of guys the Marlins have now.
Welcome aboard Perry and Gus!

Practice resumes this Sunday the 28th and Sept 4th at 9:30 am. Let’s try to have as many people down as we can, for these are our final 2 practices. See you out there. AND BRING $$$! Thanks!


MARLINS SET TO OPEN FALL SEASON......IN LAKELAND.....

September 2, 2005
The Orlando MSBL is set to kick off its fall season on Sept 11th 2005. There will be a league high 14 teams competing including the veteran Juice squad, and expansion White Sox and Titans.

The Lakeland Crew has secured a field, where else, in Lakeland. We are one of the lucky few teams set to play on said field (Jimmy Groves, you can wipe that big grin off your face now). Our game is slated for opening day at 1PM in Lakeland, and as soon as I get the directions, they will be passed on to you guys (or as they say down here, Y'all). Hopefully I will have them by Sunday's practice.
As I requested last week, I am hoping everyone can make it out to our final practice this Sunday at 9:30 am.
If the game in Lakeland will be a problem for whatever reason, please let me know ASAP. If its a vehicle problem, please let me know so I can get you hooked up with a ride. Actually with the gas prices as ridiculous as they are, we should all go down in groups as to not put more $$ in the terrorist's pockets! (Yeah, they are all pretty much terrorists).

Please remember, the league will not permit anyone to play until paid, so please bring down your $95 to practice on Sunday or at the latest, the day of the game.
Looking forward to a good turnout at both practice AND gameday!

Let's make this a competitive fall!
GO FISH!!!!

IN OTHER NEWS......... 1B/OF Todd Teeter underwent successful elbow surgery this past Tuesday to extract some fragments (bone, cartilage, etc...). He is doing well, but his fantasy football team is taking a hit as he makes trades while under heavy pain medications.
Let's wish him a speedy recovery. Doctors say he should be ready to go for the spring season.


THE CREW TAKE OPENER, 4-1........

September 12, 2005
The Orlando Marlins (0-1) dropped a hard fought game to the Lakeland Crew (1-0) in the 2005 fall season opener, 4-1.
The Fish made the trek out to Lakeland and played a solid game against the league’s spring season 2nd place team.

Defensively, the fish were outstanding. Clearly, all the work in the summer practices are paying dividends, as the Marlins kept the game close all day. Some standouts included rookie infielder Perry Teague who looked solid in his debut at SS, as did veteran infielders Brian Joslin, Brian Brown and Robb Cymerman. Newly acquired outfielder Glenn (007) Reichle started in LF and really solidified that spot and utility player Marlyn Kelch was a force no matter where he was on the field.
Pitching was a strength as well as Jimmy Groves, making his 2nd start as a Marlin, pitched a solid 4 innings giving up 2 ER while striking out 3 and walking 1. His only blemish; an inside fastball, Crew cleanup hitter Kevin Lidle cranked over the left field fence for 2 runs. Lidle would prove to be the thorn in the Marlin’s side, as he drove in another insurance run in the 8th and pitched the last 3 innings allowing only 1 hit for the save.
Darrin Reichle also pitched well, going 3 innings of shut out ball in relief of Groves, and Tony Burnham closed it out with 1 ER in the 8th.

Offensively, it was a different story, as the Crew pitchers kept the fish off balance all day, allowing only 4 hits and 1 run off the bat of veteran Brian Hoover in the 6th.

It was disappointing starting the season off with a loss, but if this team plays the rest of the season the way they did Sunday (of course with a few more hits), it will be a successful one.
Next up for the Marlins will be the expansion White Sox (1-0) Sunday 9/18 at 8:30am back at Jones HS. The fish will continue the revolving rotation throughout the fall. This week it’s Tony Burnham (0-0) 9.00 ERA.
The fledgling White Sox might not be your typical inexperienced expansion team, as they won their first game of their existence 3-0 vs the Angels. There’s obviously some pitching there!

……………..Marlin’s management and Orlando MSBL would like to thank everyone for a great turnout for our lone “away” game.
(**stats and game info are updated)**
GO FISH!!!

FISH HELP WHITE SOX TO 2-0 RECORD........

September 18, 2005
A great performance on the mound, wasted. On a morning marred with errors, poor swings and half drunken swearing umpires, the Orlando Marlins dropped the second game of the fall season 8-5 to the expansion White Sox, despite a near perfect outing from Jimmy Groves.

In relief of starting pitcher Tony Burnham, the team’s usual stopper, Groves pitched 6 innings surrendering 1 ER, 2 hits 1 BB with 12 K’s. Groves came on in the 2nd after Burnham was taken out of the game for precautionary reasons. “My elbow didn’t feel right” said Burnham. “We didn’t want to push it. It’s only the fall season.” said manager Rich Musumeci. “We need Bernie for the long haul. If his arm isn’t right, he’s coming out.”
Bernie would surrender 4 runs in the first inning (2 ER), 2 BB’s and 2 singles. Clearly NOT Burnham numbers by any stretch of the imagination.
After getting 1 run back in the bottom of the 1st inning, Groves went to work striking out the first 5 batters he faced, and 7 of his first 10. Although a White Sox player was overheard saying “he doesn’t really have much “, they could only manage 2 hits off him.
The Marlins got to within 2 runs until the defense collapsed again in the 6th, giving up 2 more unearned runs.
Robb Cymerman came on in the 8th, but was a bit rusty and had a hard time finding the plate. The Sox pushed a run across on him, and the Fish responded with 2 in the 9th, but it wasn’t enough.

“This game should not have been lost” claimed a disgusted Marlin. “It’s not that the White Sox are a bad team. Actually, they are pretty solid for a team thrown together. It’s just that we handed them 5 of their 8 runs, and shot ourselves in the foot every time we got something going.” 11 runners left in scoring position. 14 hits, 3 walks and a HBP, and all the Fish could muster up were 5 runs, although it should have been enough to win.
On the defensive side, 6 errors and 5 unearned runs would be enough for the team to put themselves away.
This is the same team that played almost flawless defense just a week earlier against one of the best teams in the league.
Hopefully they can chalk it up to a sleepy early game and the Fish can bounce back against the Angels next Sunday at 8:30am.

As far as the pathetic display of the umpire this morning, the league commissioner has been contacted and extends his and the leagues apologies to the many fans and children at the game today. He assures me that we won’t have him again as an umpire.
Let’s keep up the great turnout of families and friends, and enjoy this season!

Game balls go out to Jimmy Groves for his work off the mound, and Darrin Reichle for his 3 for 3 day with 3 doubles,1 RBI and a BB!

GO FISH!!!

FISH ROUT ANGELS, 10-2........

September 25, 2005
When a team is running on all cylinders, it’s hard to beat them. Such was the case today, as the Orlando Marlins (1-2) beat up on the 0-3 Angels 10-2.

After a shaky 1st inning, starting pitcher Jimmy Groves settled down and turned in another solid performance for the win. 2 runs on 6 hits, 3 BB’s 5 K’s in 5 innings of work. Not as dominating as far as his normal expectations, only topping out at 78 MPH with his fastball and dropping to 1 strikeout per inning, but certainly an outing Marlin’s management will take any time. Reliever Darrin Reichle, who came on in the 6th, arguably had his best outing since joining the Marlins last spring. 4 innings, 1 hit, 2 BB’s and 4 K’s. But what showed more than his numbers display was his dominance. “They really didn’t have a chance against him. He was throwing gas!” said an exuberant Jason Taddie, who caught both pitchers today. For the first time in a while, D-Man hit 85 MPH on the radar. “I felt real good out there today.” said D-Man. “I think I could have even gotten my brother Glenn out today had I pitched against him.”

The Marlin’s defense, after a week hiatus, returned and played as they did in the opener against the Crew. Spectacular plays by SS Brian Joslin, 2B Marlyn Kelch and 1B Brian Hoover highlighted the day.

Offensively, the Fish hit double digits in runs for the first time in a long time. Aggressive base running, timely hits, and a few breaks helped the Marlins snap an offensive drought dating back to the spring season. Most notably was D-Man continuing his assault on opposing pitchers with 2 more doubles, improving his avg. to a ridiculous .778.
Also rookie IF Perry Teague, who was mainly picked up for his defense, is hitting .500 after 3 games.

It was a close game for a while until the Marlins put it out of reach with a five run 7th inning. “Today is a perfect example of what this team is capable of.” said manager Rich Musmeci. “This was a team win for sure!”

Next up for the Fish are the always tough Orlando Mets, Sunday 10/2 @ 8:30am.
Probable starter is Jimmy Groves 1-1 3.00 ERA.


IN OTHER NEWS………. The team signed free agent P/1B Kurt Fisher. Fisher, a Tampa resident, was signed for his pitching and his power, and will also see some time at 1st base.

BREAK UP THE MARLINS.......THAT'S TWO STRAIGHT!!!......

October 2, 2005
The Orlando Marlins (2-2) took advantage of a shorthanded Mets team, winning 12-2 in 7 innings for their 2nd win in a row.
Starter Jimmy Groves (2-1) had another solid outing going the distance, surrendering 1 ER on 4 hits, 4 walks and 8 K’s. “The scary part about Jimmy is he hasn’t pitched his best yet.” said catcher Jason Taddie. “I think it’s the early games he just can’t wake up for.”
The Fish are happy to get by on Jimmy’s "sub-par" performances, although they can’t wait to see him get back to his usual greatness.
The complete game was great for the bullpen, due to the next game which is only 2 days away. The Marlins now have a plethora of weapons to go to should scheduled starter Tony Burnham experience any problems.

Defensively the Fish were flawless, minus one harmless throwing error in the 3rd inning. Rookie IF Perry Teague started at 3B and played extremely well. SS Brian Joslin also made several nice plays, justifying management’s decision to keep him at the position.

The Fish put up double digits for the second week in a row. 22 runs scored in 2 games! Could this be the offense waking up?? “Aside from an increase in hit batsmen which we can’t control, we’re also seeing a lot of patience resulting in more walks, and hits in key situations.” said Jimmy Groves. Speaking of hit batsmen, Jimmy took a beating himself getting plunked twice, and then getting spiked trying to cover home on a passed ball in the 7th.
He did however end up 2 for 2 with a SB and run scored.
Other noteworthy displays, were Darrin Reichle's and Perry Teague’s bases loaded triples, and Drew Stafford’s 1 for 1- 2 RBI, BB Sac fly and HBP day.

On the downside of today’s game, the Fish suffered another key injury as 1B/OF Glenn Reichle went down with a pulled hamstring. After a 6th inning single, Glenn took off for second when team mate and brother Darrin hit a shot into left-center field. On his way into 3rd, it “popped” on him. “I’m telling you, it’s those damn grandpa pants!” said D-Man. “He robbed me of a triple and an RBI!" In a post-game phone interview from his bedroom, Glenn assured the team he will be burning the pants very soon.

Next up, the Orlando Pirates (1-3) on Tuesday Oct 4th @ 7pm.
Probable starter will be Tony Burnham 0-1 13.50 ERA.

Let’s make it 3 straight, and get above .500!!!
GO FISH!!!

RAIN COOLS OFF HOT FISH.......

October 4, 2005
Sorry boys, we'll have to wait a couple of weeks to see if we can keep this streak going. Next scheduled game is Sunday October 16th at high noon vs the Titans.
After watching all the baseball playoffs, you'll all be even more pumped to get out on the field.
Have a good and safe couple of weeks.

GO FISH!!!

*************NEW*************

WHO'S HOT...........WHO'S NOT.


A new segment here at the official home of the Orlando Marlins, designed to recognize the team's hottest players. Can you string some games together and get your mug on the front page?




WHO'S HOT....
Darrin Reichle
Aside from not having an ERA and striking out 11 batters in 9 1/3 innings in 3 relief appearances, this guy’s bat (when he’s not breaking it) is on fire!
In six games he’s managed 8 doubles, a triple and 12 RBI while batting .578. Clearly, the Marlins biggest weapon right now.

(Also noteworthy is Drew Stafford’s .778 batting average, with 2 doubles and a triple.)



WHO'S NOT....
Paris Hilton

Have you SEEN this talentless skank? Can anyone tell me why she's popular?
Aside from being born into money, she's making even more with that stupid show. Oh, and she's not even pretty!!

FOLLOWING TWO STRAIGHT DISAPPOINTING LOSSES, HURRICANE BREAK GIVES FISH A CHANCE TO REST……

October 23, 2005
Hurricane Wilma may have been the best thing for the 2-4 Orlando Marlins right now.

After riding a two game winning streak, the Fish got hosed in their game against the Titans mainly due to the rookie home plate umpire who didn’t understand the rules of the very sport he was officiating. The poor strike zone aside, this guy was making calls before the play was completed, calling a ball on a batter who attempted to bunt (and missed), and didn’t call for an infield fly in the last inning with runners on 1st & 2nd with 1 out, which was the final nail in the coffin costing the Marlins the game.
Catcher Drew Stafford couldn’t quite get to a ball popped up between him and pitcher Robb Cymerman. When it fell, there was no call, so the runners took off. Stafford picked up the ball, threw to 3rd baseman Jimmy Groves who threw to 2nd to complete the double play. Game over right? Marlins Titans end in a tie. NOOOO. The runner on second who was forced out at 3rd, went home when he realized the other ump didn’t end the game. Both teams stood around bewildered and wondering what had happened.
In the end, the 2nd base umpire said he “pointed up” signaling an infield fly, but said the home plate umpire failed to call it.
All in all it was a poorly officiated game due to many other poor calls, and the Marlins ended up on the short side 8-7.

Two days later, the Cubbies brought their hitting shoes and a can of whoop ass to the party and downed the Fish 14-7.

Starter Jimmy Groves was tagged for 7 runs (5 earned) in his 3 innings of work.
Newcomer Kurt Fisher was also victimized by hits just out of the reach of his infielders, giving up the other 7.
In the 6th, with bases loaded and nobody out, the Marlins put in their new found closer Jason Taddie. Taddie would shut the door striking out 8 in 3 innings giving up a hit and a walk.
Unfortunately for the Fish, the Cubs countered with their own closer Cory Huston in the sixth and the game was over. The Marlins could manage only 1 run off Huston, a leadoff walk by Glenn Reichle. After that it was lights out.

The Marlins have a few sore ballplayers that should benefit nicely from the break. Jason Taddie’s golden arm is still a bit stiff, as well as the Reichle brother's legs (Glenn-hamstring, Darrin- Calf).

Next scheduled game is Sunday 10/30 @ 9:00 am vs. the Braves.
Jimmy Groves 2-2 3.96 ERA will be back on the mound trying to get the Marlins back on track.





GROVES, MARLINS STIFLE BRAVES 8-2.........

November 1, 2005
Before this game even started, you could see the killer look on the face of Marlin’s starting pitcher Jimmy Groves. He wanted this game, big time. Left with a bad taste in his mouth from his previous two starts, Groves was determined to get himself and the Marlins back on track.

The Braves first two batters attempted to set the table for what could have been a disappointing start to a must win game, with two solidly hit singles into left and center field. Groves immediately called “time” and had a brief conference with his catcher Tony Burnham. What was said between the two is still unknown, but what ever it was it worked. The next three batters were retired, and the Braves could not muster another hit until the 7th inning as Groves cruised through, retiring 18 of the next 20 batters (the only two base runners reached on errors) he faced.
The line; 1 ER, 6 scattered hits, 1 BB and 8 K’s in his 2nd complete game win of the season, raising his record to 3-2 and lowering his ERA to 3.18. All this without his personal catcher Jason Taddie to boot!

The Braves managed 2 runs in the 7th off two hits, a walk and a throwing error, but it wasn’t enough to catch the marlins offense which scored 8 runs in route to their 3rd win of the fall season. Worth noting was D-Man’s usual day at the office, 2 doubles, 2 RBI and a sac fly, and Marlyn “Hit By Pitch” Kelch’s 2 for 3 day, showing some signs he is starting to see the ball better. Oh yeah, and another HBP to add to his franchise record.

Defensively, aside from 2 harmless errors and the one unearned run, the Fish look like they are really coming together.
“This team is obviously starting to gel” said catcher Tony Burnham. “The off season workouts look like they are paying off.”
A slimmer SS Brian Joslin led the defensive charge with several outstanding plays, one of which he had no business being near; a pop up behind 2nd baseman Robb Cymerman, and in front of a charging Darrin Reichle in RF. “Buzzy” called both players off, and made an over the shoulder “Hail Mary” type catch in short right center.

The Fish now sit at 3-4, and are tied for 7th in the 15 team league, with a tough game coming up this Thursday against the defending fall champion Orlando Juice (5-1).
On the mound for the good guys making his first start of the fall season will be Darrin Reichle. D-Man is 0-0 with an ERA of 0.00 in three relief appearances.

GO FISH!!!!!!!

MARLINS, JUICE PLAY TO 1-1 TIE...........

November 4, 2005
When the Orlando Marlins signed Darrin Reichle back on February 2nd of this year, they figured they’d found a weapon that would allow them to compete with the upper echelon teams of the league.
Unfortunately for both parties, Reichle’s shoulder didn’t cooperate, and he was of minimal use on the mound. Though the outings they DID get from him were solid, just not extensive.
Thursday night’s performance against the defending fall champion Juice may have been the first sign Reichle is healthy enough to sustain long outings.
D-Man, facing his old team, went 9 innings giving up 4 hits while striking out 11 and not giving up a walk or an earned run, all on 135 pitches.
“Surprisingly I feel pretty good” said an encouraged Reichle two days after the game. “There’s just a little soreness, nothing where I think I did anymore damage.”
That is great news for the Fish. The strengthening program D-Man is on is obviously working, and he should be a solid regular starter in a potent rotation come the 06 season.

The show D-Man put on was, as a teammate put it, “filthy”. The unfortunate part for the Marlins was he was facing someone equally as filthy. 14 Fish in 10 innings went down swinging, and in some cases looking, against the Juice’s big gun. The Fish were able to muster up 6 hits including a key one in the 4th inning off the bat of Gus D’Andrea. With 2 out, and 2 on by walks, D’Andrea got enough of an inside pitch to drop it over the 2nd baseman’s head for an RBI single which tied the game for good at 1-1. The good guys had their share of opportunities though, as they left 5 runners in scoring position throughout the night.

The Juice could only manage 4 hits, but were aided by a couple of errors. The Marlins should consider themselves lucky; as there were at least 4 errors committed which is far too many in such a close game. Still, they were able to make the plays and overcome some miscues, and did not let up another run.
It was disappointing to not win a game when your pitcher has an outing like that, but as the mild mannered D-Man puts it, “At least we didn’t lose.”
This guy doesn’t know the meaning of the word EGO. His teammates were more upset than he was that he didn’t get a win after that show! Are the Marlins lucky to have him? Oh yes, and on SO many levels.

The Marlins should be proud of the outcome. It was a hard fought game against a solid veteran team. There are some great games and seasons ahead for this group, as they continue to improve and impress.

Some noteworthy items………Gustavo D’Andrea was 2 for 3 against the hard throwing opposing pitcher, as was D-Man.……………The Marlin’s 1st pick in the 05 fall draft, Perry Teague saw his first action on the hill, as he closed the game out in the 10th. After giving up a leadoff single and walking the second batter, the calm cool rookie retired the Juice’s #3-4-5 hitters that followed to end the game. Nice work rook!

It should be noted, Marlin pitchers have allowed 1 ER in the past 22 innings!!

Next up for the Marlins are the 3-4 Dodgers on Sunday @ 4pm. On the hill will be Tony Burnham 0-1 11.12 ERA. Bernie has had his bumps this fall season, but will be looking to turn it around and get back some of that “spring” magic.

GO FISH!!

FRIED FISH..........

November 7, 2005
The errors were-a-plenty, as the Dodgers (4-4) handed the Marlins (3-5-1) their worst loss in franchise history Sunday evening.

Starting pitcher Tony Burnham (0-2)pitched much better than he had this fall season, but was let down by his defense and had no offensive support. Reliever Robb Cymerman faired no better, as he gave up more runs in a single outing than he ever had in his career.

"It's a game we will need to forget if we want to move forward." said third baseman Jimmy Groves. "We're not professionals. These games are going to happen from time to time. We need to get back on the horse and be ready for the Pirates Tuesday night."
Groves will take his 3-2 record and 3.18 ERA to the mound Tuesday.

.......IN OTHER NEWS...
Manager Rich Musumeci was tossed from the game Sunday, after a 3rd questionable call at first base. "The umpire isn't at fault for this loss by any stretch of the imagination." said Musumeci. "But sometimes the anger builds up, and I gotta let it out. I guess I was more upset at our level of play than at the umpire. Those calls were just the icing on the cake.I apologize for my ejection, and any expletives that may have been heard."

........Centerfielder Bobby Esteves was injured when he attempted to field a ground ball. "My knee just slammed into the ground" said Esteves. "I think it's OK. I'll just take Tuesday off and go from there."

.........Utility player and human ball magnet Marlyn Kelch, will be conducting a Hit-By-Pitch clinic this Saturday at 9am.
In this class, he will show you what pitch to look for, where the best place on the body is to take a shot, and how not to get caught "leaning" into the pitch by the umpire.
Mr. Kelch has an extensive background in this particular category, and looks forward to sharing his knowledge and pain.

Way to take another one for the team kid!!!

MARLINS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PIRATE MISCUES, WIN 10-8.......

In a battle of the Spring 05 expansion teams, the Orlando Marlins (4-5-1) and the Pirates (2-7) met for the 3rd time in their short existence with the Pirates holding a 2-0 advantage.

Jimmy Groves took the mound for the Fish and aside from a strange 2nd inning, controlled the game. If you took away that inning, Groves gave up 1 unearned run, 1 hit, and 3 walks and struck out 7.
“I don’t know what happened” said Groves. “My elbow tightened up a little, and they just kept coming.” 6 hits, 2 walks and a couple of missed played balls, and the Pirates jumped on top 7-4, erasing a 4-0 Marlin lead.
The fish chipped away and came within 2 runs, until the top of the 7th when 4 runs crossed the plate after a couple of hits, walks and errors put them up by 2, 10-8.
"You hate to see that(errors costing a team the game) happen" said Manager Rich Musumeci. "But lord knows it's better to be on this side of it, than the other. We've had our fair share of losses that way."

Groves started the 7th but 98 pitches and that 2nd inning took their toll. After a come backer for the first out, Groves walked and hit the next 2 batters. With 1 out 2 on and time expiring with the winning run at the plate, the Marlins called upon “Joe Cool” Perry Teague. Teague handled the 04 fall champion Juice with ease a week before to keep the game tied in the 10th, and the Fish were hoping he’d handle the Bucs just as well. His first pitch was swung on and popped up to Marlyn Kelch at 2nd for out number two and after walking the next batter, struck out journeyman Benny Valentin for the save.

The Fish are now 1 game under .500, and face the spring champion Reds (6-2) next this Sunday evening @ 7pm, and the Cardinals (3-5-1) on Monday @ 7 pm as well.
On the mound for the Fish vs the Reds, will be ace Darrin Reichle 0-0 0.00 ERA, and Monday will most likely be pitch-by-committee day with Robb Cymerman 0-1 18.90 ERA getting the start, his first of the fall season.

GO FISH!!!!

REICHLE SHUTS DOWN SPRING CHAMPS, 2-0......

November 13, 2005
Marlin’s starting pitcher Darrin Reichle had his 2nd straight 9 inning performance. This time against the 05 spring champion Orlando Reds (6-3).
D-Man cruised through this game, striking out an “amateur career” high 16 batters, while giving up 4 hits in route to a 2-0 complete game victory and finishing the fall season without giving up an earned run.

Of the two runs the Marlins (5-5-1) managed against the defending champs, D-Man drove in one of them, helping his own cause. The second came across on a throwing error on the catcher attempting to throw out SS Brian Joslin at 2nd. Perry Teague, running for catcher Drew Stafford, scored from 3rd base to put the Fish up 2-0. There were other chances to score, as the Marlins left 4 runners in scoring position throughout the night, but the Reds tough pitching and solid defense bore down and kept them in the game.

It was a flawless game defensively for the Teal ones, as they came away with an error free game. Defensive standouts included former Red, Brian Brown at 3rd base and 1st baseman Brian Hoover.

It was a great game on both sides. A true “pitchers duel”.
The Marlins will try to finish the season over .500 with a victory over the Cardinals Monday night, but it will be a tough task as many Marlins will not be in attendance, and it will be a pitch-by-committee night.

IN OTHER NEWS......

The first annual team BBQ is scheduled for November 27th (Thanksgiving weekend) @ 1pm at the “Double R” school in Oviedo/Chuluota. D-Man and Glen’s mom has graciously made her school and its amenities available for this event.
She will be supplying the Hot Dogs and Burgers. Please email me, or post on the guest book how many people in your party and what you will be bringing (sides, dessert, drinks etc…).
Let’s have a great turnout. If you can’t make it, there will be more off-season team activities in the coming weeks.
GO FISH!!!

MARLINS FINISH SEASON STRONG, DOWN CARDS 11-5................

November 15, 2005
The Orlando Marlins wrapped up their fall campaign with a win over the Cardinals, their 3rd straight victory. The second half of the 12 game fall schedule found them winners 4 times of the last 6, with a tie thrown in.

Robb Cymerman was expected to start due to the lack of available arms, but Jimmy Groves made the game even though he SAID he wasn’t going to be there (yeah that’s right Jimbo, that’s my story and I’m stickin to it).
Groves gave up 3 ER on 8 hits with 3 BB’s and 3 K’s in 5 innings, before his shoulder started to tighten up.
Up 8-5, the Marlins new found bullpen ace Perry Teague came on in relief for the remaining 3 innings and allowed 1 hit and 1 BB and struck out 2 for his second save of the season.

This Cardinal team was clearly NOT the same squad that cruised through the spring season, but there were no slouches on the field either. The Cards had their share of errors, but their pitching, which is always dominant, kept them in the game until the end.

It is a shame the 2005 baseball season has come to a close on these surging Marlins, but these old bodies must rest and heal at some point so they can begin a promising new season right around the bend.
Players and fans are looking forward to continued improvement and success come spring 06, which really is just 3 short months away.
With just about everyone expected back next season, a healthy Todd Teeter and the first overall pick in the spring draft, there’s good reason for optimism.

Nice job team! Enjoy the time off. We’ll be out on the field getting bruised up again before you know it!

GO FISH!!!!



TEAM BBQ………..
Don’t forget to let us know your intentions for our first annual team BBQ on Sunday November 27th at 1pm(Thanksgiving weekend). Please call, email me or post on the guestbook the number of guests and what you will be bringing.
Hope to see all of you out there!


....... Once again, thanks to all of you for making it a fun and competitive season. I can’t imagine getting together and playing the greatest game ever created, with a better bunch then you guys.
In my 20+ years of playing organized ball, I can honestly say I have never been around a more talented, funny and ego-less group.
You guys make the work and time it takes to put this all together well worth it.
Here’s to many more years of being healthy enough to play this game we love. God bless, be safe!

Some pictures from our first annual post-season BBQ. Sadly, poor camera batteries limited us to only a few pictures. Thanks again to Mom & Pop Reichle! It was a great time!

Our gracious hosts, Mr. & Mrs. Reichle!

Orlando Marlins first celebratory cake... (with reference of mngr's ejection during a fall game)

Mr. & Mrs. "Pray for Rain" Cymerman -------->

Mr. & Mrs. Hooooooov

The Reichle brothers continuing their basketball dominance over young school children.

Future Marlins

Can girls play too?