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| ch33r godess
October 30, 2011
12:38:43 PM
Entry #: 3827337
| I heard that Ginger called this division incorrectly is there any truth to that?
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| CheerWatcher
October 30, 2011
12:52:41 PM
Entry #: 3827349
| How do you call a division wrong? They called:
1st Waltham
2nd Methuen
They got it right. Great job! You both deserve to advance and represent Eastern Mass!
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| cheerROX
October 30, 2011
1:15:27 PM
Entry #: 3827358
| Waltham 1st
Methuen 2nd
Couldn't possibly be truth to that. Judges were right on!
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| Cheermom01
October 30, 2011
1:28:41 PM
Entry #: 3827363
| This is exactly why scores should be posted
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| ch33r godess
October 30, 2011
2:13:58 PM
Entry #: 3827386
| i just found out the division was called wrong Methuen actually won and the Huskies came in second! All three teams did a great job!
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| CheerWatcher
October 30, 2011
2:41:46 PM
Entry #: 3827394
| OMG!!! If this is true I feel absolutely horrible for the Waltham girls. Ginger, Ginger, Ginger. You have some explainig to do.... Did they mess up any of the other divisions? How and what could they say to Waltham? I've always believed they should announce the scores when they announce winners. If it looks like fish and smells like fish, it must be fishy!!!
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| Coach08
October 30, 2011
2:51:26 PM
Entry #: 3827400
| CheerParent06, i definitely agree with you! Something is very sketchy here. i think waltham was amazing and deserved the place that they were told they got...how could they "accidentally" be called for first?
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| MyGrlCheers
October 30, 2011
3:02:50 PM
Entry #: 3827404
| I'm actually a coach in this division and extremely confused! What is going on?
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| cheerific
October 30, 2011
3:06:07 PM
Entry #: 3827406
| I too heard about this. I do not believe for one second that this could be true. And if it is, what happened?? If it was a tabulation error then I would be worried that the results of the entire day were comprimised. All of the teams in this division were very good but to us and all the people sitting around us and by the looks of it, most people on this message board, they were the clear first place team. So where does that leave them now? Are they sitting at home waiting for a call to see if they will qualify for Saturday?? If so, what a tragedy. Especially since Waltham is the organization who if I remember correctly last year was not allowed to advance if they were not first or second. Waltham girls we thought you were beyond amazing yesterday and we look forward to seeing you again next week and for weeks to come.
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| Elite92
October 30, 2011
4:01:30 PM
Entry #: 3827439
| I am from Waltham and this rumor is true....The girls were told today. Something does not feel right...it is not fair to be given a first place trophy and then an "oops just kidding" the following day. Im not sure how or why this happened but this "mistake" is hurting a lot of girls.
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| CheerProud10
October 30, 2011
4:03:52 PM
Entry #: 3827441
| I honestly HOPE that Waltham allows this team to compete next team. I also remember that they do not allow them to take invites but it is not their fault for yesterday's happenings.I believe those girls were amazing yesterday and I had them in first place!!!
I also agree that scores should be posted on the website just like it is for Nationals!
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| cheermom98
October 30, 2011
4:22:43 PM
Entry #: 3827444
| As a concerned parent i think eastern mass should post every teams score or each coach from this division should post their true score so we know exactly what team should have won. There should be nothing to hide at this point and we as parents need to know this is not all political.... Just my opinion..
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| Cheercritic
October 30, 2011
4:34:55 PM
Entry #: 3827447
| This is bad. I feel for Waltham. Who botched this?
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| cheerific
October 30, 2011
4:39:42 PM
Entry #: 3827449
| something is not right then. It doesn't make sense that the team that most of us and supposedly the judges had in first suddenly is not in first and not even in second? And it seems odd that it happened in this division where most of the competition really was. WPWdogs, you tell those girls from Waltham that when we see them next weekend they will have a lot of people cheering for them in the stands from all over EMASS and NE, not just Waltham. And Everett and Methuen I am so sorry that this happened to you like this too. It should be explained.
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| Lisa Sachmom
October 30, 2011
4:59:48 PM
Entry #: 3827454
| I am sure Pop warner is having a difficult time dealing with the mistake that was made yesterday and I am sure they will make every effort to explain this to the three teams involved. I am just hoping that the Huskies are not going to be put down on this forum and for that matter @ qualifiers because they did not make the mistake. As disheartening it is for the Waltham team it was just as disheartening yesterday for the Everett girls. Midget novice division was very well represented at yesterdays competion! So many teams did such an awesome job!
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| Cheerlyful yours
October 30, 2011
6:59:24 PM
Entry #: 3827517
| In my opinion EM has to explain the error to all the EM teams and apologize. Everett, Metheun and Waltham are not the only teams involved. All teams are involved.
Transparency is a start !
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| Lisa Sachmom
October 30, 2011
8:40:53 PM
Entry #: 3827589
| I am just a bit curious, what does the "transparency" comment mean???
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| Tic Tok
October 30, 2011
9:44:24 PM
Entry #: 3827630
| It means that everything should be visible to all parties. That the Cheer Director should be able to see all the scores.
The procedures that Eastern Mass follows should be known to all. Such as, do they have double checks for math on the score sheets, how do teams get invites to move on or how/why rules are interpreted a certain way. Because these things are not transparent to all, at times their decisions are subject to suspicion. People often feel that there is favortism with in Eastern Mass.
It is very sad for the girls for whom this is their last year.. What a bitter taste to leave in their mouth. So So sorry for those young ladies.
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| Cheermom01
October 30, 2011
10:53:09 PM
Entry #: 3827683
| I agree with Tik Tok 100%. This is my daughter's last year and this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth for sure. I've always felt that there was favortism with a certain team (please do not ask me which team) but this series of events just proves it to me.
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| Tic Tok
October 31, 2011
12:51:37 AM
Entry #: 3827737
| My only other point to make is that this division came on in the beginning toward the middle of the program.
Infact Medford, (the last team in the division to compete) went on right after the break. So there is no excuse for tally errors, there was plenty of time to check the Math.
If it really was the fault on one person - then it needs to be acknowledged as an isolated incident and the conference should move on.
If no one takes responsibility at the Conference or Personal level, then what type of example is this setting for the young women of Eastern Mass. Just ignore your mistakes, until they go away. That isn't a lesson I want my child to emulate. The powers at be need to be adults and set an example about responsibility.
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| Lisa Sachmom
October 31, 2011
8:51:06 AM
Entry #: 3827801
| cheermom01, we need not have to ask, you are either referring to Methuen or Everett and if I was a gambler, I'd strike it rich as to who you are actually referring too! Whichever the team it is that you think eastern mass has favortism for is such a bold statement to make. They are all young girls and it is not right to make comments like this. All three, for that matter, all the teams in that division worked very hard and went out and performed and gave it their 100%! I wish they would/could bring more teams down to Nationals from our NEW ENGLAND region because there is so much talent and I will be the first to offer a "good job" if another team other than my own went out and did just that "A GOOD JOB". Again, my heart definitely goes out to each and every one of those girls from all three teams and I wish them all the best of luck this weekend at qualifiers!
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| Lisa Sachmom
October 31, 2011
9:02:14 AM
Entry #: 3827812
| Tik Tok,
Is it that you wanted this to stay an isolated incident and they should have just moved on or did you want them to take responsibility and own up to the mistake that was made? I do believe they explained the mistake to each organization and are definitely taking responsibility for what happened.
I also think it would be a good idea to start posting the scores.
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| Tic Tok
October 31, 2011
9:53:28 AM
Entry #: 3827840
| I wanted to say that this is an isolated incident, the guilty parties need to take responsibility and work toward restoring the trust that was broken. It seems that the resolution was handled in this manner and it is a relief. If something like this happens again in the near future, then it isn't isolated and they will need to address their procedure and safeguards. It will be very hard to for the Conference recover from a situation like this again.
Glad that this invite calls began this morning. Waltham, if you are going to qualifiers, Best Wishes!!!
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| CheerFan66
October 31, 2011
10:14:48 AM
Entry #: 3827858
| I still find it hard to believe that a "mistake" was made on only ONE Team!!! 14 Divisions with 45 Teams competing in the afternoon session and discrepency's were found in only the Waltham scores?? Does anyone else find this strange??
They not only should POST the scores, they shoud also ANNOUNCE the 1st & 2nd place scores during the ceremony!!! Doing this may have prevented this "mistake" from happening.. Waltham, you should be upset, but in realty ALL teams should have concerns now... As it stands, EMASS now has egg on it's face, and until they come out and publicly explain what led up to this "mistake" and what plans will they have in place to prevent a "mistake" like this from occuring again in the furure... Another "mistake" would be if Waltham is not at Qualifiers!!! Hope to see you there because you clearly deserve it...
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| Cheercritic
October 31, 2011
10:31:00 AM
Entry #: 3827873
| Not a bad idea, announce the scores.
I don't think that Waltham should worry. They were good enough to win on saturday, and probably will be at qualifyer. Make's for good sub-plot and drama at competition!
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| Lynette
October 31, 2011
10:33:11 AM
Entry #: 3827876
| Hi: Unfortunately there was a mistake made. it was not in the scores, but the final score and when the tallying was done, the sorting in the computer didn't sort it correctly, so that is why Waltham was announced as the winner, Methuen second and the huskies not announced at all. The error was found after we got home and started looking at the score sheets. We are human. people and mistakes are made, they have been corrected and the teams have been told. Please do not continue on this forum bashing people for doing the best they can. That division could of gone to anyone and,I am sure Waltham will qualify to move on. Good luck to all this weekend.!! Let's not get this board shut down because of an honest mistake!!
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| Tic Tok
October 31, 2011
10:37:56 AM
Entry #: 3827885
| I agree that the scores should be posted for all teams and all elements of the routine. I can not think of any other sport where the participants are expected to compete and not be able to measure their results directly against their peers.
These athletes are expected to be perfect in their routines and basically told, you got 5/6 for stunting, 5/6 for crowd participation, etc. They know where their deficiencies are, but not what they have to do to compete gain an advantage on their competition, except strive to be perfect.
What I mean by that is that scores are a total of various elements with in each of the grading criteria. So if Team A had 7/7 in stunting and you, Team B, have 6/7 in stunting, you know you have to add an element of difficulty to your stunting. Same goes for facials, tumbling, etc. There are elements of difficulty which can be manipulated to insulate your scores. It is nice to know where you measure up exactly in sports, so that the competition is targeted toward achievement, advancement and winning. This isn’t E/F squad, these girls are in it to win.
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| mygirlcheers
October 31, 2011
10:45:44 AM
Entry #: 3827892
| Ahhh how disappointed I am this morning logging on to read all these negative and accusatory posts. Is it sad? yes. should it have happened? NO, are people hurt? YES. But it was a mistake. Mistakes happen. Do you ALL think that Emass doesnt feel terrible? that they are actually and be honest.. actually made a mistake of this magnitude in the name of "favortism"???? if there were favoritism it would have been in the scores originally not in the announcement, the teams that were being favored would have had their names called in front of all of Emass family and friends. Stop it. cant we all just feel bad that it happened, stop pointing fingers and bring our girls to qualifiers next week? If Waltham doesnt go to qualifiers if they receive and invite then shame on them, those girls deserve to perform again, more than ever they should go out there and show everyone they should they deserve to be there just like Everett and Methuen and whomever else gets invited. This is a learning moment for all the girls involved, things like this will happen in life its how you react to those mistakes that determines the outcome. I wish ALL the girls in ALL divisions the best of luck next week. Represent Emass with pride and dignity.
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| Cheercritic
October 31, 2011
11:11:56 AM
Entry #: 3827919
| I don't believe anybody wants the forum board shut down. All the bits & pieces of information about what happened has been shared through this forum. That's all we had. Thanks Lynette, you have been the only person who actually has shared information of the situation, and has given substance to the unfortunate mistake. I am sure that's all that everybody on this forum wanted to hear, was an explanation of what happened. And I agree, Waltham probably would and should move on. It's going to be an exciting qualifier.
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| CheerFan66
October 31, 2011
12:03:27 PM
Entry #: 3827971
| Finally we an explanation!! Our cheer squad was not one of the three teams involved, however we feel we should also be made aware of what had happened with Medium Novice A on saturday, since we were part of the competition.
There was no mention of it on this, or any site about it. All we got for information were postings!! Very Foggy, unclear information from people with no direct knowledge from within..
Nothing from EMASS.. Not bashing anyone.. Was just looking for clarification as I believe EVERYONE should be aware.. Good Luck to ALL !!
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| ch33r godess
October 31, 2011
12:12:06 PM
Entry #: 3827979
| As a cheerleader my team wasn't called at Emass and we actually were the 1st place team, this was before invites. . . WE NEVER got the trophy we deserved because its tacky to take it away from the team that was announced for 1st place. And as a coach now I absolutely do not agree with scores being said while announcements are taking place, if after the awards they want to post them then go ahead but for your score to be said I DO NOT AGREE. . best of luck to all three teams saturday! I know I have my "favorites"
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| Cheer1970
October 31, 2011
2:09:04 PM
Entry #: 3828091
| I was very surprised when I just read these posts and discovered that Waltham was not the champion. They certainly looked good enough from our seats!
Congrats to Methuen & Everett.
On another subject, has anybody heard if any of the other cheer squads in MMN have qualified or received an invite for the qualifiers this weekend? Who else has a chance? Good luck to all that go.
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| Cheercrazy
October 31, 2011
2:37:04 PM
Entry #: 3828110
| I was very surprised by this incident. It is a good thing that this was taken care of. As lynette said earlier they are human and mistakes are made. My heart goes out to all teams involved. Well done methuen and Everett. Waltham you girls were amazing! I hope Waltham will be at the qualifier because they will have the support and cheers of many people. Good luck to all teams this weekend! Go emass!!!
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| Coach08
October 31, 2011
3:12:44 PM
Entry #: 3828134
| I was also shocked when i saw that waltham's first place calling was a mistake. As a coach who has been involved in pop warner for years, I though they most definitely deserved the title. Lets hope they come back and take that trophy for good this time!
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| cheerdad22
October 31, 2011
4:35:38 PM
Entry #: 3828204
| Wonder why only 3 teams out of this div. are going to qualifiers. That was a tough one
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| Cheercrazy
October 31, 2011
4:40:04 PM
Entry #: 3828206
| Are we sure that only three teams are moving on?
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| cheerific
October 31, 2011
4:46:24 PM
Entry #: 3828210
| I would be shocked if Peabody and Medford did not get asked to go to qualifiers. They were excellent as well.
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| Cheercrazy
October 31, 2011
4:49:26 PM
Entry #: 3828212
| I agree with you 100%, Peabody and Medford were very clean as well. Did we find out if Waltham will be attending qualifiers after this mess?
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| Coach08
October 31, 2011
6:35:28 PM
Entry #: 3828282
| yes i definitely agree...moving on should be Methuen, Everett, Waltham, Medford, Peabody
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| cheer2win
October 31, 2011
6:44:12 PM
Entry #: 3828287
| Peabody did not get an invite
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| Coach08
October 31, 2011
6:47:28 PM
Entry #: 3828290
| does anyone know who is actually moving on in this division?
so far we know methuen, everett, waltham for sure...did medfore?
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| Cheer1970
November 1, 2011
8:41:09 AM
Entry #: 3828503
| Has anybody heard if any cheer squads in Midget Medium Novice have been called informing them that they qualified for Springfield? Who else has a chance? Good luck everybody!!
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| chear2009
November 1, 2011
9:02:29 AM
Entry #: 3828511
| Medford did receive an invite.
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| Cheer1970
November 1, 2011
9:11:48 AM
Entry #: 3828519
| Congrats Medford!! Earlier post said Peabody did not. That's too bad. How about Waltham? Anyone know?
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| CheerWatcher
November 1, 2011
10:27:05 AM
Entry #: 3828582
| Looks like Methuen, Everett, Waltham, Medford from Emass.. Should be great competition. They all good representatives of Emass..
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| chear2009
November 1, 2011
10:44:44 AM
Entry #: 3828594
| This is going to be a very interesting competition on saturday. I am looking forward to seeing how the placements end up. I really hope that Waltham comes back and takes the title again...they deserved it saturday! Good Luck Waltham!!
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| Cheercritic
November 1, 2011
11:45:13 AM
Entry #: 3828634
| 4 Teams from EMASS.. Very Nice... This is a very tough division... Is Peabody definitely out?
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| Cheerfan44
November 1, 2011
12:59:03 PM
Entry #: 3828690
| As a parent of a Waltham cheerleader, I would like to thank Kerrie Rosati, Medford A Squad- Head Coach for the email that was forwarded to the Waltham parents, showing the support for our girls concerning the unfortunate mistake that happened at the EMASS competition on Saturday. This was truly a class act and shows exactly what good sportsmanship is all about.. You are definitely setting a great example for your girls, which we will pass on to ours!! We also wish Medford good luck at the competition, you deserve to be there!! And to everyone else who voiced their support on this forum, thank you!! The Waltham girls will do their best to make EMASS proud!! Good luck to everyone, Let's hope all of Eastern Mass is well represented at Nationals!!
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| CheerWatcher
November 1, 2011
1:22:06 PM
Entry #: 3828712
| Cheerfan, very nice! These competitions are ALL about good sportmanship & setting good examples!!
Good luck to you and ALL teams competing at Qualifiers...
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| CheerProud10
November 1, 2011
1:38:51 PM
Entry #: 3828725
| Who else is in this competition this Saturday?
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| Cheercritic
November 1, 2011
1:47:53 PM
Entry #: 3828736
| From what I have been reading, Methuen, Everett, Waltham and Everett will be competing. I am not sure of the others from other conferences...
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| cyclone mom
November 1, 2011
2:27:09 PM
Entry #: 3828774
| as the malden a coach i would like to wish all the EMASS teams good luck on Saturday...this division was by far the toughest of all this year...i am very sorry to hear of the mistake that was made at emass..All 3 teams were fabulous and from what i saw it could of went anyway between these teams...my heart goes out to all the girls involved those who were called but got the call that it was a mistake and to the girls on the mat who didnt get called and thought they were out to then get the call and say your back in...it is sad it happened but like lynette said it was a mistake...a good lesson to know dont always trust a computer...check and double check...eastern mass is well represented and no matter what teams make it out of the qualifier they will represent EMASS well....as a 1st time competing coach with a team of 2/3rds girls who never cheered before this was an amazing experience for myself and my girls...they had a blast and they loved every minute of it..except maybe the nerves before they went on the floor....girls love what you do...do what you love and most of all have fun:)
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| Coach08
November 3, 2011
10:05:18 AM
Entry #: 3830106
| Lets predict! What is everyone thinking for this division?
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| chear2009
November 3, 2011
1:34:58 PM
Entry #: 3830261
| I am predicting that this is going to be the toughest division on saturday and it can be anyone's day. I wouldn't count out any of the teams!! Not to mention, you can't make a true prediction unless you have seen all the teams.
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