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| Chosen 1
May 9, 2008
3:58:23 PM
Entry #: 2745420
| I've been talking alot of hockey on here lately, and one term I've been hearing alot lately is "Hab hater"! I have dealt with these folks before, but I started thinking to myself, what is a "Hab hater"? Obviously, it someone who hates the Montreal Canadiens, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized the term "Hab hater" is born out of bitterness, jealousy and childishness! I know the Habs haven't won the Cup since '93, and to Habs fans that's a little while, but to "Hab haters" it wouldn't matter if they hadn't won since 1893! They are bitter and jealous because no matter which team they cheer for, they are not even close to winning that many, and that just eats away at their guts like a relentless cancer! I say childishness because I compare it to a kid who's jealous of his or her friend because he or she has more toys or his/her parents have better jobs and more money and/or prestige! The more I think about it, these people don't need our anger or grief, they need our pity! For someone to have that much hatred for a sports organization, they need professional help! To take it that serious, they should not be allowed to watch sports! Can you say, "padded room"? I know, I'm like everyone else, I have my favorite team and I have teams that I don't care for, but most normal people don't have teams that they absolutely hate and wish nothing but bad things upon! I would feel the same way if Habs fans felt that way about another team! It's just that I've only ever heard the term "Hab hater"! I've heard Reider talk about the Habs fans he deals with, but when you have that many fans of a franchise that has won more that all others, you are going to get that! I can only imagine what it's like in some cities, or what it would be like in some places if their team won that many Cups! Having said this, as a whole, the fans of the Montreal Canadiens are probably about the most knowledable in not only the NHL, but in all of pro sports! When it all come to it, these athletes provide us with endless hours of entertainment, whether it's the Leafs, Habs, Sens or Phoenix Coyotes! To be a "Hab hater", or a "hater" of any team, you also have to be a hockey fan, just one that takes their passion way too far! If you would only stop and think for a second, you would realize how bitter and childish you all sound! I feel much better now! I just had to get this off my chest!
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| Habs Fan
May 9, 2008
5:56:00 PM
Entry #: 2745480
| You hit the nail right on the head. Every word is the truth.
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| reider
May 9, 2008
7:51:20 PM
Entry #: 2745587
| lots of habs fans hate the leafs.i hear it all the time. even you say you dont like the sens and leafs.i got nothing against the players its just there job.its just all the jackasses that go around bragging at how great they are(once were).the guy i told you i gave the t shirt and have lunch with a couple times a week i havent laid eyes on him this week he must be in hiding.maybe you should send some pity his way.ollie ollie ollie ollie.the habs fans are the most knowledgable and most classy in pro sports.thats why some jackass hab fan poured beer over the flyer who was in the penalty box.now thats class.half the dummies at habs games cant even spell class.
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| Chosen 1
May 10, 2008
12:46:29 AM
Entry #: 2745803
| I didn't say they were all classy, I said they were knowledgable! Not all of them, but as a whole! I agree it's not right throwing beer on a player in the penalty box, but that has happened in many games in many cities! I can sit here for a day and a half and tell you some horror stories from hockey players that have played for our Jr teams from different cities(Canadian and American) over the years that I've talked to about the sports fans where they're from! I know, Habs fans are no Angels, I never claimed they were, but there are fans in cities who make the worst Habs fan appear more rightious than Billy Graham claims to be! As far as not being able to spell, what does that have to do with being hockey knowledgable? Demers couldn't read or write, yet he led the Habs to a Cup, so I would say he's just a tad knowledgable when it comes to hockey, wouldn't you? If I were you, I'd take a look at my own fans before you start bad mouthing others! Buffalo, NY has never been known as the mecca of intelligence! If a fan of another team threw beer on a Habs player, you'd laugh and say it's all part of the playoffs! Home ice advantage, you'd tell me! You'd say that particular fan is just "passionate" or something along those lines! Reider, I can't control what every Habs fan does! Just in case you're thinking of mentioning the idiots who destroyed stuff after the Habs took out Boston, don't bother! You know as well as I do that they are people who don't even go to the games, they're not even fans! They're just low-lifes who wait for an excuse to do these cowardly things! The cops even know that! We can go back and forth and nitpick for the next 100 years, but it won't accomplish anything! And to be honest, I'm getting a little bored with it anyway! I'm a Habs fan, You're a Habs hater, enough said! Let's just agree to disagree!
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| Chosen 1
May 10, 2008
12:50:26 AM
Entry #: 2745806
| No, I don't like the Sens or Leafs all that much, plus a few other teams! But I don't go so far as to call myself a "Hater" of ANY team! Plus, I don't dislike any team enough that I won't give credit where it's due! I don't like certain teams, but I don't watch and follow hockey with the blinders on!
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| reider
May 10, 2008
10:47:58 AM
Entry #: 2745975
| i woulnt call a fan who throws beer on a player in the penalty box part of home ice advantage .they should be thrown out and barred from going to the games.but we know that wont happen.ive had some shouting and pushing matchups with loud rowdy obnoxios fans myself.i dont mind people cheering for there teams but when it gets personal or down right dirty something has to be done to stop the foolishness.ok a truce on hab hating till at least the start of traing camp.that will be boring.
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| Chosen 1
May 10, 2008
2:48:23 PM
Entry #: 2746133
| I don't care if there's a truce, I'm just getting bored! It seems like we're saying the same things over and over again! It's just that you're probably always not gonna like the Habs, and they're probably always gonna be my favorite team! The only difference is, you don't like my team, but I like your team! If I was in the box and a fan gave me a beer shower, I'd stand as close as I could to the goalie every chance I got! Try to make him high and/or nausiated from the beer fumes! Then again, that might make some of them play better!
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| reider
May 10, 2008
11:24:40 PM
Entry #: 2746421
| they say the flower played with a few in more than once.some say he played better when he was half in the bag.someone tried to tell me the other day kovalev was a better player than lafleur.i laughed and told them kovalev couldnt carry lafleurs jockey strap on kovalevs best day.
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| Chosen 1
May 11, 2008
4:22:07 PM
Entry #: 2746821
| It's hard to compare players of different eras! In their respective eras, I don't know who's better, and I definately wouldn't go so far to say Kovi couldn't carry his jock strap!(what's a jockey strap?) Remember too, Lafleur was always on stacked teams for the first 8 or so years of his career, but did much less when the Habs started losing their stars in the early 80's! Everything is so different now, from the conditioning, coaching and more teams! If Alex had played on some of those Habs teams in the 70's, he would've scored at least as many goals as the Flower, and won as many cups! Kovi scored 35 at 35 years of age this past season on a young team! Lafleur was already on the downside before he turned 30! It's almost impossible to compare players by era, but if I had to, Lafleur did have more goals and cups, so he gets the nod! But if I were to compare the two players straight up, no different eras involved, it's no contest! After watching some of the games from the 70's after watching the games of today, it's like they're in slow-motion! A player like Lafleur would be lucky to make the third or fourth line on some teams today! It's not a knock on him, it's like I said, the conditioning and training and practicing is so much more intense today than it was 30 years ago! The players are also much bigger and stronger, and the goaltending is much better! Lafleur wouldn't have near the time and space he had 30 years ago! Also alot more hitting these days! I guarentee you, there isn't one player that played 30 or more years ago that would even stand out today! So, if you were to take Guy Lafleur of the 70's and put him in a one-on-one match-up with the Alex Kovalev of today, Lafleur would be very hard pressed to even get the puck from him, and would be sucking muddy pond water within a minute!
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| reider
May 11, 2008
9:31:37 PM
Entry #: 2747003
| howe hull orr cant play now either.they werent good enough either.maybe gretzky mario or bossy might make the third line on say tampa bay.cmon by you must be joking.next to maybe the rocket lafleur was the best to ever play for the habs in my opinion.i guess my opinion dont countbecause iam a hab hater.
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| Chosen 1
May 12, 2008
1:18:35 AM
Entry #: 2747314
| You would not believe how different the game is now compared to 30 years ago! I didn't say those guys couldn't play now, but that they wouldn't stand out like they did back then! 25 to 30 years ago and earlier, players came to camp to play themselves into shape! You just don't do that now! If you come to camp now with a body-fat ratio of more than 5 percent, you're sent to the minors for a conditioning stint, or sent home and told not to come back until you're in tip top shape! Hockey players today are almost machine-like in their conditioning! Don't get me wrong, the players you mentioned were all great players....in their time! No offence, but their time came and went long ago! The game is unbelievably different now than it was back then! Players are so much, bigger, stronger, faster, goalies are so much better and there is about 10 times the hitting and physical play! Out of the players you mentioned, probably only Gretzky and Mario could perform at or near the level they did in their prime! With the players the way they are today, these guys would not have near the time and space they did back then! Coaches rarely if ever matched lines back then, and third or fourth liners back then couldn't skate or check the way they do now! Like I said, I mean absolutely no disrespect to any of these players, as they are all legends in the sport! But I have even heard some of them say the same things I'm saying, and I'm sure the others feel pretty much the same way! Reider, it doesn't matter who you cheer for or don't, I respect everyone's opinion! All I'm doing is stating mine, and I expect the same in return!
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May 12, 2008
12:52:31 PM
Entry #: 2747793
| difrent era.it is alot harder to win the cup to thats why you cant say the teams that won cups back in the 50s and 60 are the greatest of altime thats why i dont by that greatest team because they won 24 cups you cant compare eras.
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| Chosen 1
May 12, 2008
3:53:30 PM
Entry #: 2748007
| You don't agree with what I say about the players of that era, that is until you can somehow diminish the Hab's 24 cups out of it! Then all of a sudden you agree with me! the thing is, yes, those Habs teams of the 50's, 60's, 70's wouldn't have a chance against any of todays teams, I don't dispute that! No, the teams back then weren't at near the level of today's teams, NONE of them! But they were ALL at the same level, the same era, the playing field was even! Every era, every time a team has won a cup, it has been against a team of the same era! It's not like the Habs of today were sent back to the seventies, or the Habs of '86 or '93 or the late 70's were sent back to the 50's! THAT would be unfair to the 50's team, because hockey and players had evolved so much by even the seventies! Hockey evolves all the time, very quickly! The Colorado Avalanche won their first cup in '96, 12 years ago! Hockey has evolved and changed in 12 years, and some of the teams that are in about 10th in the standings today would probably beat them in a series, yet a 10th place team 12 years ago would have very little chance! Does that diminish the Avs cup win of '96? I'd think not! Every team that has ever won a cup, whether it be in the 20's right up to now, has done so in their own era! Every team was on the same playing field, it was the same time frame! It wasn't like a team from today was sent back in time! If what you say is true, then every cup won by every team in any era where the hockey isn't as good as it is now is diminished! The Habs still won 24 cup against teams of whatever era! The Islanders won 4 cups against teams of that era! etc. No teams have ever had to compete against teams of other eras! If the Habs had won all their cups against teams from 20 to 30 years before them, then I'd say yes, their cups are meaningless! I'd say that for every team! Because while the Habs team of say, about 1960 won their 5th straight cup easily that year, the Habs team of 07-08 would beat them about 12-0! The worst team in the league, LA, would beat them by a fair margain! That's all I'm trying to say! While the teams the Habs played were of different eras and the hockey wasn't as strong as it is today for most of those cups, they were also of that era! The bottom line is, they still have all those cups, and to Hab-Haters that's all that matters to them and it drives them nuts! If it didn't, they wouldn't keep commenting on it!
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| reider
May 12, 2008
4:31:59 PM
Entry #: 2748029
| see iam not the only one who dont agree with if you won 24 cups over the last 100 years.dont mean you are the best team of all time. are you going to watch saku and team finland play team canada should be starting shortly might be a good game but finland has lost the services of ollie jokkien for this one he is suspended.
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| Chosen 1
May 12, 2008
7:23:11 PM
Entry #: 2748115
| Reider, I have a mission for you if you choose to accept it! The mission is to go over every message I've ever posted, and find one where I've said the Habs are the best team of all time! I've stated many times that the Habs have MORE CUPS than anybody else! As for the best team of all time, that is all matter of opinion, but now that you've brought it up! If the number of cups equates to the best team of all time, then yes, the Habs are the greatest team of all time! If winning percentage(number of cups per years in the league) equates to the greatest team all time, then the Habs would still be the greatest team of all time! I've said all I need to say in my previous couple posts, and I don't feel like going through all that again! But don't just take my word for it, the numbers are there! More cups! Best cup winning percentage! All I know is that if your Sabres had the exact same record as the Habs since they came in the league, you would undoubtedly be calling them the greatest hockey team of all time! In fact, you'd say that about any team, as long as it could bring the Habs down a notch or two! After all they don't call the Habs the winningest, most storied franchise of all-time for nothing! Not only me, but anybody who knows anything about hockey! You know it too! I know the Habs haven't won in a while, but in no way does that take away from all they've accomplished!
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| Chosen 1
May 12, 2008
7:39:17 PM
Entry #: 2748157
| I was suprised Canada handled Finland so easily! But then again, non of us should be surprised the way Canada has dominated these tournaments the last few years!
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| reider
May 12, 2008
10:04:52 PM
Entry #: 2748387
| me to.wont be much of a challenge in the quarter finals either if you ask me.may start to get a bit tougher in the semis.no matter how you cut it i will always hate the habs for more than as you would say being jealous of all there cups.i dont have to get into them again do i.i thought we had a truce no more hab bashing till at least training camp.
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| Chosen 1
May 13, 2008
1:28:42 AM
Entry #: 2748710
| I don't care if you bash them or not, it's a free country! But just remember, seeing as it is a free country, expect me to stick up for and defend them just as hard, if not more so! I don't know, I still say anyone who "hates" a team in any sport needs help, and shouldn't watch sports if they take it that seriously!
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