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| Chris Z.
January 17, 2005
5:14:05 PM
Entry #: 672673
| Let me start by saying this upsets me about our outcome. I really feel bad for the way the games and the weekend turned out. It seems like we were short handed and you guys played your hearts out regardless, I respect that. What I don't get is the indirect shots being taken for those who could not commit...let me explain.
Before my name gets thrown into this and I know it will eventually by the sounds of things hear me out.
Since this pertains to me and a few othes who verbally committed a month ago I feel insulted. I spoke to Joey J. numerous times on the phone. I told him I would go about a month ago and was excited about the whole thing whole heartedly. A week before the Thurs. before leaving, Joey had called me and asked if I booked my flight. I simply and honestly told him that I could not make it because "I was not feeling up to it." Yes, I admit to saying that because I did not want to lie to Joey and the rest of the team with some other shitty excuse. At the time I just did not feel like going. I had just caught a bad cold, was feeling sick and did not feel motivated to go. This was no excuse, just my feeling at the time. I told Joey I did not want to lead him on anymore or go on with, are u coming, did u book yet whole thing?...so I simply told him once again, that I just didn't feel up to it and that I was sorry. I was being HONEST and did not want to beat around the bush with some other bullshit. Now, if you guys can't respect someone's honest opinion then I don't respect yours and I don't appreciate being called an "ASSHOLE" or a "FUCK" or you guys "losing trust and respect for those who didn't come", because if someone told me their honest feeling about something I respect that whatever the case may be, that's just how I am. I think I speak for the rest of the guys who couldn't make it that were called names and being blamed for "shitty excuses." Even if they say they can't make it for the shittiest reason that's their obligation and that should be respected.
My point is sometimes you feel like doing something and sometimes you don't, it's not a lie it's the truth, and the truth shouldn't hurt. So when I was indirectly attacked (i'll leave the names out) I took offense to it and did not appreciate it. You guys played with what you had and I would go to WAR with you guys any FUCKING day to represent TEAM CAMEL or anything to that extent.
Last year we went to Florida with 9 or 10 guys. We played our hearts out and backed each other up. We had a great time and never blaimed any one for anything. It seems like this year we are pissed and blaiming the people who could not commit. I undestand some games were played short handed, but last year we didn't blame some members who couldn't commit. We could of used some more guys...where the hell were you? Let me answer that...probably had other plans or just couldn't make it due to whatever reason...right? That's ok, I won't hold it against you.
To conclude, this year didn't turn out the way we wanted it to, we don't have to sound like a bunch of losers and say shit on our public website about could of, would of, should of, let's move on and look forward to next year. I am already searching for flights, because I guess honesty is not the best policy, I thought it was, it still may be, who the FUCK knows in some eyes.
Anyways, LUV YA GUYS...SEE YOU SOON.
GO CAMELS!!!
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| White21
January 17, 2005
9:06:20 PM
Entry #: 672921
| Chris, for the record, I did not know that was your excuse and was not taking shots, but if thats how it went down, you will notice that I talked about being responsible about it and from your side of the story you were. The only complaint I had was that we got all these commitments from so many and encouragement to get extra houses, cars, roster spots, etc., then the cancellations came like 3 days before hand, that was the irresponsible part. You are right, if you dont want to come, dont come, I didnt make it last year, but at the same time, I never committed, from August to January I said I was not coming. My point is, it would not have been so hard for anybody to express their feelings like even 3 weeks earlier, but five days or less before the tourney?? come on, that aint fair to Joey, who put so much time and effort into coordinating everything or the rest of the guys who showed up. And I guess another thing that bothers me is this is a repetitive thing. At the states in October Joey had commitments from about 14 guys, and I was NEVER one of them, I told him I could not play from day one, but that Saturday morning he called me at 7 a.m. about 6 times and was like "so and so didnt show up, please come play." Enough of this nonsense though, its done, we still had a good time despite the trip from hell, my point is just that its not hard to say yes or no without the bullshit in the middle, it really would make things easier on the people coordinating and participating in things
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| Ray
January 17, 2005
9:47:51 PM
Entry #: 672966
| Chris I think we all feel the same. If you told Joey that you were not up to it then that's more than OK. You could have told him anything a week or two in advance and that would have been OK. The problem from my understanding is all the people who cancelled on such short notice. We all have things to do and can't make it to every single event but tell someone what your plans are before it's to late.
By the way, Honesty is still and always will be the best policy and incase you have gotten the wrong message from me........I still love ya!
I'm pretty sure that those that played this weekend still love you to. Also, I don't feel that by us expressing our disappointment is in any way an excuse for us losing and just as you don't appreciate being called out I don't appreciate being called a whinner!
Anyway, It's behind us, I love ya, and I look forward to playing next year.
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| Chris Z.
January 17, 2005
11:14:10 PM
Entry #: 673045
| Thanks guys, I knew you would understand where I was coming from. Much love back at ya Ray Ray.
Believe me it was hard telling Joey I coundn't make it, considering the time we had last year and him booking the whole thing and all. Tony kept telling me on line we need to go, we need to go, I promise this won't happen next year.
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| White21
January 17, 2005
11:22:23 PM
Entry #: 673052
| You and Tony talking on line??? I didnt know you two were back together
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| Chris Z.
January 17, 2005
11:25:46 PM
Entry #: 673056
| Tony can't do without me, he'll even talk shit on line to get an edge. This time he really wanted me to go maybe so he can tell me how good he is.
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| Chris Z.
January 17, 2005
11:28:12 PM
Entry #: 673063
| or how we got into it with some ofty after the bar and Tony spit on the guy and it accidentally landed on a cop's shoulder...lol
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| Eastsidetony
January 18, 2005
12:16:32 AM
Entry #: 673091
| These trips do seem to bring us all together, last year it was Zeer and I, This year me and Joe K on the same side, who knows next year me and Amer can share a room together, that is ofcourse if tyson can't make it
Joe K, I sure am craving some crab legs, since I can't eat meat for the next couple days
Chris, Joe K owes me 2 dinners, If you want in
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| White21
January 18, 2005
9:09:43 AM
Entry #: 673269
| Tony, there was a disclaimer at the bottom of the agreement, that if you come, no Zeers can come at the same time, if you want to transfer it to Chris I will buy him a dinner another time, I just couldnt handle the two of you at dinner. I'd have no problem beating your double team on the field, but I just couldnt take it off the field
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| Joey J
January 18, 2005
10:12:08 AM
Entry #: 673339
| Chris-
First of all, there is no love lost. And I do not have a problem with you not coming. Whatever the reason was for not coming is up to you. The problem I had was that I had no idea you weren't coming until the Sunday before at 10:00 pm. At least you had enough courtesy to let me know (you and Bruce were the ONLY ones who let me know), but even that wasn't until Tuesday when you told me for sure. I paid for the house and the tournament knowing that I had certain committments. Then a week before people start dropping. And even worse, I didn't know they were dropping until I started calling to get the final list. At that point I had to scramble to try to get other players, which obviously didn't work out. The reason we asked who we asked was because they were top tier players. Once I had commitments, I stopped asking knowing that we had pretty much the best team we could going down to the tournament. All i'm saying is that people need to be accountable and honor their committments. If something happens and they can't honor the committment (which is okay and happens all the time), then they need to pick up the phone and let the person to whom they committed know that they will not be available. It is common courtesy. And that is what made me angry. If you weren't feeling it, you weren't feeling it, and I appreciate you being straight with me about that. The problem was the timing of it all.
Was what you guys did (especially Hesano) ok? Defintely not. Am I angry about how it went down? Very much. Do I still love you guys? Of course. This is now the third time Team Camel has been burned with people not showing up, so I guess we should have learned our lesson.
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| Joey J
January 18, 2005
10:14:22 AM
Entry #: 673343
| And as far as respect loss, I don't think that was directed at you Chris, but more so the people who didn't show or call or anything.
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| Chris Z.
January 18, 2005
11:24:18 AM
Entry #: 673426
| Joey, I can see ur frustration from ur point of view with people not calling until a couple days before. Hopefully this won't happen next year.
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