CSBA treasurer should administer the $ associated with the Pool Party
February 28, 2010
(Steve)
Have the league treasurer look after the financial matters of the annual Pool Party. Expense claims would be submitted to him for the food and beverages. Income from contributions would be submitted to him as well. If there is $overages, then the extra money stays in the CSBA account. If there are $shortages, then the cash shortfall comes from the CSBA account.
BENEFIT: it would show up on the annual financial statement, makes the league CFO earn his $million salary, eliminates the rest of us having to chase down down missing dollars.
(Background: in past years, we have had shortages as well as overages)
Have the league treasurer look after the financial matters of the annual Pool Party. Expense claims would be submitted to him for the food and beverages. Income from contributions would be submitted to him as well. If there is $overages, then the extra money stays in the CSBA account. If there are $shortages, then the cash shortfall comes from the CSBA account.
BENEFIT: it would show up on the annual financial statement, makes the league CFO earn his $million salary, eliminates the rest of us having to chase down down missing dollars.
(Background: in past years, we have had shortages as well as overages)
Misc 2010
February 28, 2010
(Steve)
Clarification: The lottery should include any games played to enable a team(s) to make the playoffs. We predict the number of wins; it should include those. Benefit: the standings show the extra games so the lottery should base itself on that.
Clarification: The stats should include any extra games played to make the playoffs, even if it gives a player/team some advantage in the Records Book.
Clarification: Joe manufactures the Excel spreadsheet from the APBA data, manually enters the +/- batting characteristics. We have Chris double check the +/- and then we say the XLS is correct no matter what is discovered later. The ZZ pitcher is also a manual process (some Allen offspring looks through the cards). There is no double checking (audit). It is possible that a ZZ pitcher will be missed, so again the XLS is the law.
Suggestion: Initially Neil had ties for All Star positions and later changed. That was the right decision - you cannot have 2 players for the same position. I suggest we vote for a 1st pick AND a 2nd pick during the initial round of voting. The 1st pick is used as we have done in the past. The 2nd pick would only be used for tie breakers ... it might resolve the tie. If not, have the revote. Benefit: one round of voting.
Suggestion: We should rotate the hosting duties for the Annual Meeting and the Draft through the managers, much along the lines that we rotate the Commissioner. Benefit: everyone gets to (has to) do it, it is predictable who will do it each year; not the same subset all the time.
Suggestion: There should be no abstaining from the annual meeting. BENEFIT: everyone should express their opinion; avoid having a rule change pass/fail with very few votes being cast.
Questions: How come we had so few social nights last year? Has this died out?
Questions: Steve has some July weddings to attend. High probability that the Pool Pary will be August. Is that okay? How would people feel about the Labour Day weekend (and what if we did it that weekend every year)?
(Chris)
Clarification: Does default of 'held on' refer to just the runners with a base open in front of them, or to all runners? APBA's and our rules both have some inconsistencies, so I just want to clear those up.
(Chris)
Suggestion: use former schedule for per-night matchups. As host, I’d rather not play both of the opening 2 rounds, and I’d rather be playing in the closing matchup of the night. It makes sense to leave the host as part of the opening matchup, though, for those times when one of the opponents will be delayed in arriving.
Clarification: The lottery should include any games played to enable a team(s) to make the playoffs. We predict the number of wins; it should include those. Benefit: the standings show the extra games so the lottery should base itself on that.
Clarification: The stats should include any extra games played to make the playoffs, even if it gives a player/team some advantage in the Records Book.
Clarification: Joe manufactures the Excel spreadsheet from the APBA data, manually enters the +/- batting characteristics. We have Chris double check the +/- and then we say the XLS is correct no matter what is discovered later. The ZZ pitcher is also a manual process (some Allen offspring looks through the cards). There is no double checking (audit). It is possible that a ZZ pitcher will be missed, so again the XLS is the law.
Suggestion: Initially Neil had ties for All Star positions and later changed. That was the right decision - you cannot have 2 players for the same position. I suggest we vote for a 1st pick AND a 2nd pick during the initial round of voting. The 1st pick is used as we have done in the past. The 2nd pick would only be used for tie breakers ... it might resolve the tie. If not, have the revote. Benefit: one round of voting.
Suggestion: We should rotate the hosting duties for the Annual Meeting and the Draft through the managers, much along the lines that we rotate the Commissioner. Benefit: everyone gets to (has to) do it, it is predictable who will do it each year; not the same subset all the time.
Suggestion: There should be no abstaining from the annual meeting. BENEFIT: everyone should express their opinion; avoid having a rule change pass/fail with very few votes being cast.
Questions: How come we had so few social nights last year? Has this died out?
Questions: Steve has some July weddings to attend. High probability that the Pool Pary will be August. Is that okay? How would people feel about the Labour Day weekend (and what if we did it that weekend every year)?
(Chris)
Clarification: Does default of 'held on' refer to just the runners with a base open in front of them, or to all runners? APBA's and our rules both have some inconsistencies, so I just want to clear those up.
(Chris)
Suggestion: use former schedule for per-night matchups. As host, I’d rather not play both of the opening 2 rounds, and I’d rather be playing in the closing matchup of the night. It makes sense to leave the host as part of the opening matchup, though, for those times when one of the opponents will be delayed in arriving.
Rule clarication: holding runner at 3rd on infield grounder
February 28, 2010
(Steve)
We have rule that can be announced when the base situation is "runner on 3rd", where the offence will predetermine that any ball that does not leave the infield will cause the runner at 3rd to stay there. If the ball does not leave the infield, then the bases empty board is used.
When the defense is ALSO exercising the "playing close" fielding stance, you must first check to see if the ball MIGHT leave the infield on the play USING THE RUNNER ON 3RD BOARD. Because the 1B/2B/SS/3B are reduced by 1, a routine grounder might get through to the outfield. Check the boards and determine how far the ball got (IF? OF?). I suggest that an error (by a reduced IFer) be considered to stay in the IF.
We have rule that can be announced when the base situation is "runner on 3rd", where the offence will predetermine that any ball that does not leave the infield will cause the runner at 3rd to stay there. If the ball does not leave the infield, then the bases empty board is used.
When the defense is ALSO exercising the "playing close" fielding stance, you must first check to see if the ball MIGHT leave the infield on the play USING THE RUNNER ON 3RD BOARD. Because the 1B/2B/SS/3B are reduced by 1, a routine grounder might get through to the outfield. Check the boards and determine how far the ball got (IF? OF?). I suggest that an error (by a reduced IFer) be considered to stay in the IF.
Dollar Dialogue
March 2, 2010
(Steve) Why does the amount of money in the account rise each year? Are we
saving up to have a large expense maybe? (Neil) I was going to raise the budget surplus question at the annual meeting, but wasn't yet too worried about. I figured we could reduce the dues to $15 for one year, but when it's $20, everyone has exact change! Maybe the league springs for the steak at the pool party this year. All it takes is for the CDN dollar to drop and we'll start paying more for the cards.
(Steve) Why does the winner of the World Series get money (or so much money)? The lucky sap gets his name on the trophey ... could we not give more coin to the WS host? I predict he takes a loss in spite of the $15 that the league gives him. (Neil) I agree about the amounts for the winner and host. Feel free to raise these issues at the annual meeting.
saving up to have a large expense maybe? (Neil) I was going to raise the budget surplus question at the annual meeting, but wasn't yet too worried about. I figured we could reduce the dues to $15 for one year, but when it's $20, everyone has exact change! Maybe the league springs for the steak at the pool party this year. All it takes is for the CDN dollar to drop and we'll start paying more for the cards.
(Steve) Why does the winner of the World Series get money (or so much money)? The lucky sap gets his name on the trophey ... could we not give more coin to the WS host? I predict he takes a loss in spite of the $15 that the league gives him. (Neil) I agree about the amounts for the winner and host. Feel free to raise these issues at the annual meeting.
Proposal - bean balls not automatic ejection
March 8, 2010
(Chris)
Proposal: change our bean ball ejection rule; starting on plunk #2, the umpire rolls 1 dice. On all but one roll (say, a ‘6’), then the pitcher is indeed ejected. This gives the pitcher at least some chance of remaining in the game.
(I might just be feeling the effects of so many ejections during our 2009 season)
Proposal: change our bean ball ejection rule; starting on plunk #2, the umpire rolls 1 dice. On all but one roll (say, a ‘6’), then the pitcher is indeed ejected. This gives the pitcher at least some chance of remaining in the game.
(I might just be feeling the effects of so many ejections during our 2009 season)
Proposal - remove 'in at the corners'
March 8, 2010
(Chris)
Proposal: kill the option to play ‘in at the corners’. While real baseball does have that option, APBA baseball has no real penalties to doing so, making it unrealistic. It is just an extra rule that we do not need.
Proposal: kill the option to play ‘in at the corners’. While real baseball does have that option, APBA baseball has no real penalties to doing so, making it unrealistic. It is just an extra rule that we do not need.
Draft, Apr 11.
March 8, 2010
(Chris - host @ Ring of Fire)
Draft details: Apr 11. What time frame works for people? Assume 5 hours for the span of time. If crossing over a meal time, then assume that we’ll order up some pizza.
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Draft question: It sounds as though Gary is unable to attend on Apr 11 weekend, or Apr 18 weekend. Do we have other draft-date options?
Gary & I have talked briefly, and he knows that I would be willing to draft for both of our teams, and I would spend some time with him in advance to learn what philosophy he uses (or wants to use) for drafting. I have done this for hockey pools before, without any perceiveable advantage to either team.
Our rule book does not clearly define this, but it could be ruled that this is an 'emergency' case, and I am the proxy.
Concerns / rulings?
Draft details: Apr 11. What time frame works for people? Assume 5 hours for the span of time. If crossing over a meal time, then assume that we’ll order up some pizza.
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Draft question: It sounds as though Gary is unable to attend on Apr 11 weekend, or Apr 18 weekend. Do we have other draft-date options?
Gary & I have talked briefly, and he knows that I would be willing to draft for both of our teams, and I would spend some time with him in advance to learn what philosophy he uses (or wants to use) for drafting. I have done this for hockey pools before, without any perceiveable advantage to either team.
Our rule book does not clearly define this, but it could be ruled that this is an 'emergency' case, and I am the proxy.
Concerns / rulings?
Draft audit: Teix is -2/-1
March 8, 2010
(Chris, and agreed to by Joe)
Draft audit: from the folding card, we have noted that Mark Teixeira should be -2/-1. Please correct your version of the spreadsheet from Joe.
Draft audit: from the folding card, we have noted that Mark Teixeira should be -2/-1. Please correct your version of the spreadsheet from Joe.
Monetary rewards
January 23, 2011
Let's get rid of the lottery. Most managers do not take it seriously - it has gotten old and stale. Instead use the money to fund further team performance awards:
Pitching loonies (negative behavior)
-> $1 for the team that walked the most batters
-> $1 for the team that plunked the most batters
-> $1 for the team that gave up the most HRs
Pitching loonies (positive behavior)
-> $1 for the team that gave up the fewest hits
-> $1 for the team that struck out the most batters
-> $1 for the team that walked the fewest batters
Batting loonies (negative behavior)
-> $1 for the team that hit into the most DP
-> $1 for the team with the most caught stealing attempts
Batting loonies (positive behavior)
->
Fielding loonies (negative behavior)
-> $1 for the team that made the most errors
-> $1 for the team with the most injury days
Fielding loonies (postiive behavior)
-> $1 for the team that turned the most DPs
-> $1 for the team that caught the most stealers
-> $1 for the team that made the fewest errors
(the treasurer would need to tell us what we could afford)
STEVE (benefit: more interest in the in-progress stats)
Pitching loonies (negative behavior)
-> $1 for the team that walked the most batters
-> $1 for the team that plunked the most batters
-> $1 for the team that gave up the most HRs
Pitching loonies (positive behavior)
-> $1 for the team that gave up the fewest hits
-> $1 for the team that struck out the most batters
-> $1 for the team that walked the fewest batters
Batting loonies (negative behavior)
-> $1 for the team that hit into the most DP
-> $1 for the team with the most caught stealing attempts
Batting loonies (positive behavior)
->
Fielding loonies (negative behavior)
-> $1 for the team that made the most errors
-> $1 for the team with the most injury days
Fielding loonies (postiive behavior)
-> $1 for the team that turned the most DPs
-> $1 for the team that caught the most stealers
-> $1 for the team that made the fewest errors
(the treasurer would need to tell us what we could afford)
STEVE (benefit: more interest in the in-progress stats)
Abolish ties for the 8th playoff spot
February 28, 2011
(steve)
We do not make the teams that are tied for the high standings positions play games to break ties. We have a formula to determine how we rank them. So why do we make the teams fighting for 8th place to play game(s) to break the tie(s)? Just use the same formula.
BENEFIT: eliminate delays in starting the playoffs; don't put the winner(s) of those tie breakers to be put at risk due to potential player injuries or misaligned starter rotations; don't give the rest of the playoff teams an advantage by having several DOR before the playoffs; the stats have everyone playing exactly 48 games; those Clowns would not squeak into the playoffs and win the World Series.
Jim's Comments - The current rule as written with round robins,could force a HUGE number of tiebreaker games because of the "clear winner" part and should be altered in some way. If keeping a tiebreaker format, let's use the major league format which is explained nicely on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_tie-breaking_procedures follows:
For 2 teams - 1 game(Use head to head record, then coin toss if it's tied for determination of home team). For 4 teams (AB CD and winners play format - straight random draw for abcd). For 3 teams (AB then winner plays C - with A being home team, C being away team). Use records between teams to determine A,B,C or a random draw if there are ties). With 3 teams one team will only have to play one game, so using the record is more important than the other formats.
We do not make the teams that are tied for the high standings positions play games to break ties. We have a formula to determine how we rank them. So why do we make the teams fighting for 8th place to play game(s) to break the tie(s)? Just use the same formula.
BENEFIT: eliminate delays in starting the playoffs; don't put the winner(s) of those tie breakers to be put at risk due to potential player injuries or misaligned starter rotations; don't give the rest of the playoff teams an advantage by having several DOR before the playoffs; the stats have everyone playing exactly 48 games; those Clowns would not squeak into the playoffs and win the World Series.
Jim's Comments - The current rule as written with round robins,could force a HUGE number of tiebreaker games because of the "clear winner" part and should be altered in some way. If keeping a tiebreaker format, let's use the major league format which is explained nicely on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_tie-breaking_procedures follows:
For 2 teams - 1 game(Use head to head record, then coin toss if it's tied for determination of home team). For 4 teams (AB CD and winners play format - straight random draw for abcd). For 3 teams (AB then winner plays C - with A being home team, C being away team). Use records between teams to determine A,B,C or a random draw if there are ties). With 3 teams one team will only have to play one game, so using the record is more important than the other formats.
How we use standings
February 28, 2011
(steve) We have a clear formula to determine the exact standings when there are ties. We are using the standings inconsistently in various places. We should use them the same way all the time.
First Place Loonie
- Today: teams that are tied for 1st place get a share of the loonie
- Proposal: use the standings ... only the #1 team will get the loonie
Manager of the Year
- Today: the MOY formula uses the highest standing position for teams that are tied (eg if there are 3 teams tied for 1st place, the formula gives them 1st place status)
- Proposal: use the standings ... there would only be 1 team in 1st place, 1 team in 2nd, etc
Playoff matchups
- Today: the standings are used to determine matchups (1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5) as well as who hosts the series and has home field advantage
- Proposal: same as today
Draft Lottery Formula
- Today: the ballot process uses a formula that is based on the standings. If teams are tied, they get an average of their ballots, which is effectively adjusting their placement in the standings.
- Proposal: use the standings ... if you are in 3rd place, the ballot formula should use 3rd.
BENEFIT: consistency; let the standings 'speak'
First Place Loonie
- Today: teams that are tied for 1st place get a share of the loonie
- Proposal: use the standings ... only the #1 team will get the loonie
Manager of the Year
- Today: the MOY formula uses the highest standing position for teams that are tied (eg if there are 3 teams tied for 1st place, the formula gives them 1st place status)
- Proposal: use the standings ... there would only be 1 team in 1st place, 1 team in 2nd, etc
Playoff matchups
- Today: the standings are used to determine matchups (1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5) as well as who hosts the series and has home field advantage
- Proposal: same as today
Draft Lottery Formula
- Today: the ballot process uses a formula that is based on the standings. If teams are tied, they get an average of their ballots, which is effectively adjusting their placement in the standings.
- Proposal: use the standings ... if you are in 3rd place, the ballot formula should use 3rd.
BENEFIT: consistency; let the standings 'speak'
2007 Annual Meeting Minutes
February 3, 2007
In case you missed it here are most of the highlights....
Draft is Sun Feb 18th at 11:00 am at Terry Parsons.
Jim repeats as commish.
RP randomization is abolished. Junk continues to be randomized.
CSBA lottery - guess how many wins each team gets, not the finish order
CSBA lottery - now a 10 dollar award
Tied teams will get an equal number of draft ballots (details in the minutes)
New Loonie awards:
- Finishing 1st in the regular season
- Finishing last
- 1st team to complete the regular season
- Kelly Gruber is back
Look inside for the draft order.
Look for a high level availability page to help plan the season.
Look for some social nights (Beer, wings, whining) throughout the season.
In case you missed it here are most of the highlights....
Draft is Sun Feb 18th at 11:00 am at Terry Parsons.
Triumphs on Sabbatical
DiamondBuck$ return
Rob is the commish.
Rookies of the year(AL & NL) are added to draft if their teams don't make it
Look inside for the draft order.
Look for a high level availability page to help plan the season.
Look for some social nights (Beer, wings, whining) throughout the season.
Draft is Sun Feb 18th at 11:00 am at Terry Parsons.
Triumphs on Sabbatical
DiamondBuck$ return
Rob is the commish.
Rookies of the year(AL & NL) are added to draft if their teams don't make it
Look inside for the draft order.
Look for a high level availability page to help plan the season.
Look for some social nights (Beer, wings, whining) throughout the season.
2009 Annual Meeting Agenda Items
This section will hold items for the 2009 Annual Meeting (A formal agenda will be published prior to the meeting). Items should be added as separate news items. If the item is NOT a rule change proposal, give it a sort order less than 100 (don't sweat it too much, the commish will occasionally check and fix).
Rule Change proposals should be added here as well (copy the body of the rule change proposal template into a new proposal). Set the sort order higher than 100 (so that they end up at the bottom for now). If you have more than 2 proposals, feel free to add them here and use TBA as the sponsor, but you will need to find a sponsor before the annual meeting.
Rule Change proposals should be added here as well (copy the body of the rule change proposal template into a new proposal). Set the sort order higher than 100 (so that they end up at the bottom for now). If you have more than 2 proposals, feel free to add them here and use TBA as the sponsor, but you will need to find a sponsor before the annual meeting.
Franchise League Changes
Any Team/Stadium name changes?
Any Non-Returning Managers?
Any New Managers?
Any Non-Returning Managers?
Any New Managers?
Treasurer Report
Annual report from the Treasurer
Lottery/Prizes Report
Awards administrator will cover this section.
Awards change proposal: We currently have a minimum number of PA (150) in order to be a candidate for CSBA record book entries which are calculated (average, slugging, etc). Similarly, the All Star team has said minimum. That automatically precludes players who platoon. Steve proposes that we reduce the minimum to 140 PA so that J3's can be considered.
Awards change proposal: Steve proposes that we eliminate giving a $1 to all single game achievements (say, weak starter that pitches a complete game shutout, most SB in a game, most errors in a game, longest game, etc). Make all of our loonie-worthy awards require multiple games. Reason: why would we award the same $amount to someone or some team that performs a miracle in 1 game versus anther player or team that takes 48 games worth. Seems improperly weighted.
Awards change proposal: We currently have a minimum number of PA (150) in order to be a candidate for CSBA record book entries which are calculated (average, slugging, etc). Similarly, the All Star team has said minimum. That automatically precludes players who platoon. Steve proposes that we reduce the minimum to 140 PA so that J3's can be considered.
Awards change proposal: Steve proposes that we eliminate giving a $1 to all single game achievements (say, weak starter that pitches a complete game shutout, most SB in a game, most errors in a game, longest game, etc). Make all of our loonie-worthy awards require multiple games. Reason: why would we award the same $amount to someone or some team that performs a miracle in 1 game versus anther player or team that takes 48 games worth. Seems improperly weighted.
Commissioner for 2009
2009 Commissioner is Rob. Here's where we make it official. Is it a two year term of office?
A big thanks to Jim for stepping forward to assume commish duties when Scott's twinkies arrived.
A big thanks to Jim for stepping forward to assume commish duties when Scott's twinkies arrived.
League Admin
- Any CSBA website updates
- Clear card holders
- Confirm league administrative roles.
- how do we stop Stench from getting to the World Series again ... anyone know Tanya Harding's phone number?
- pool party? golf?
- bravo to 2008 for getting the regular season done by Halloween ... it still takes awhile to get the quarters and semi's scheduled ... are we content to have the World Series in January?
- Clear card holders
- Confirm league administrative roles.
- how do we stop Stench from getting to the World Series again ... anyone know Tanya Harding's phone number?
- pool party? golf?
- bravo to 2008 for getting the regular season done by Halloween ... it still takes awhile to get the quarters and semi's scheduled ... are we content to have the World Series in January?
Statistics
Steve wants from you:
- beta testers for R6.0
- install wizard (development); otherwise you will get a EXE in a zip
- timely install and smoke testing of R6.0 with GA (behavior)
- timely entry of data and email of CSP files throughout 2009 (behavior)
- timely resolving of audit challenges throughout 2009 (behavior)
What’s New in R6.0
- DB schema changes (conversion is handled internally as part of migration)
- roster movement
- nickname search (for those times you have both Jacomovitch,Jeremy and Jacomovitch,Jerret … call one of them by the alias ‘Chuck’)
- new report: W-L record against other managers
- new report: defensive prowess (double plays turned, base thieves thrown out)
- roster report to show draft selection order (1,2,…,359,360), MLB salary, MLB team
- ability to change report filters easier from any report
- team logo support on the main window
- the sequencing of the games in a round will have a "time" field of 10, 20, ... 60 rather than 1,2,...6 (this allows for easy insert of a DOR game during the middle of a round)
- some bug fixes
- a surprise … if you do not believe that the cards are real people, you will now
- release should be coming to a PC near you on April 2009
What’s Not In R6.0
- seemless internet file exchange (best guess is 3Q2009)
- any other ideas you have?
Questions
- Jim is running on Vista? Anyone else currently or planning?
- do people run CSBAstat on a home or a work PC (take a poll)?
- is anyone running more than 1 copy of the software?
- do people ever look at previous seasons or run the reports with multiple seasons?
- does anyone read the User Guide?
- beta testers for R6.0
- install wizard (development); otherwise you will get a EXE in a zip
- timely install and smoke testing of R6.0 with GA (behavior)
- timely entry of data and email of CSP files throughout 2009 (behavior)
- timely resolving of audit challenges throughout 2009 (behavior)
What’s New in R6.0
- DB schema changes (conversion is handled internally as part of migration)
- roster movement
- nickname search (for those times you have both Jacomovitch,Jeremy and Jacomovitch,Jerret … call one of them by the alias ‘Chuck’)
- new report: W-L record against other managers
- new report: defensive prowess (double plays turned, base thieves thrown out)
- roster report to show draft selection order (1,2,…,359,360), MLB salary, MLB team
- ability to change report filters easier from any report
- team logo support on the main window
- the sequencing of the games in a round will have a "time" field of 10, 20, ... 60 rather than 1,2,...6 (this allows for easy insert of a DOR game during the middle of a round)
- some bug fixes
- a surprise … if you do not believe that the cards are real people, you will now
- release should be coming to a PC near you on April 2009
What’s Not In R6.0
- seemless internet file exchange (best guess is 3Q2009)
- any other ideas you have?
Questions
- Jim is running on Vista? Anyone else currently or planning?
- do people run CSBAstat on a home or a work PC (take a poll)?
- is anyone running more than 1 copy of the software?
- do people ever look at previous seasons or run the reports with multiple seasons?
- does anyone read the User Guide?
Annual Draft
Draft related items -
Any Rule Change proposals that Affect the draft will be discussed here (they would have to be unanimous to affect this year).
Draft lottery to determine the draft order
Any other draft related items.
Draft teams
Based on 2008 order of finish for MLB teams, we will be drafting from the following (10?+5,2) teams.
100-62 .617 LA Angels
97-64 .602 Chicago Cubs
97-65 .599 Tampa Bay
95-67 .586 Boston
92-70 .568 Philadelphia
90-72 .556 Milwaukee
89-73 .549 NY Mets (tie)
89-73 .549 NY Yankees (tie)
89-74 .546 Chicago White Sox
88-75 .540 Minnesota
86-75 .534 Houston
86-76 .531 Toronto (tie)
86-76 .531 St. Louis (tie)
84-77 .522 Florida
84-78 .519 LA Dodgers
82-80 .506 Arizona
81-81 .500 Cleveland
79-83 .488 Texas
75-86 .466 Oakland
75-87 .463 Kansas City
74-88 .457 Detroit (tie)
74-88 .457 Cincinnati (tie)
74-88 .457 Colorado (tie)
72-90 .444 Atlanta (tie))
72-90 .444 San Francisco (tie)
68-93 .422 Baltimore
67-95 .414 Pittsburgh
63-99 .389 San Diego
61-101 .377 Seattle
59-102 .366 Washington
Any Rule Change proposals that Affect the draft will be discussed here (they would have to be unanimous to affect this year).
Draft lottery to determine the draft order
Any other draft related items.
Draft teams
Based on 2008 order of finish for MLB teams, we will be drafting from the following (10?+5,2) teams.
100-62 .617 LA Angels
97-64 .602 Chicago Cubs
97-65 .599 Tampa Bay
95-67 .586 Boston
92-70 .568 Philadelphia
90-72 .556 Milwaukee
89-73 .549 NY Mets (tie)
89-73 .549 NY Yankees (tie)
89-74 .546 Chicago White Sox
88-75 .540 Minnesota
86-75 .534 Houston
86-76 .531 Toronto (tie)
86-76 .531 St. Louis (tie)
84-77 .522 Florida
84-78 .519 LA Dodgers
82-80 .506 Arizona
81-81 .500 Cleveland
79-83 .488 Texas
75-86 .466 Oakland
75-87 .463 Kansas City
74-88 .457 Detroit (tie)
74-88 .457 Cincinnati (tie)
74-88 .457 Colorado (tie)
72-90 .444 Atlanta (tie))
72-90 .444 San Francisco (tie)
68-93 .422 Baltimore
67-95 .414 Pittsburgh
63-99 .389 San Diego
61-101 .377 Seattle
59-102 .366 Washington
Schedule changes
Steve suggests that we organize the 6 game round schedule to give each team a homestand (2 home games in a row). Illustrated:
A vs Host
B vs Host
B vs A
Host vs A
Host vs B
A vs B
Of course, games don't necessarily need to play in this order if teams arrive late or leave early.
A vs Host
B vs Host
B vs A
Host vs A
Host vs B
A vs B
Of course, games don't necessarily need to play in this order if teams arrive late or leave early.
Navel Gazing
Items related to the league and/or the past year:
Attracting new managers - how?
Reminder ... if/when Scott Large or Scott Moore return, we have a rule that they get as many draft ballots as they would have gotten had they not left (they do not get 1). We might forget that ...
Social Nights - what did you think?
Curfews - 6:30 start time still okay, cutoff at discretion of managers?
Website
- General Availability section on the Website - did it help?
- Should we delete POG Land since we are emailing POGs
- feedback, comments, etc?
- Locker room discussion - gets seldom use (even during the time period (ie the past few weeks) when it should be referenced and opinions expressed more often
- Using the website to send emails - can we stop that practice? You cannot tell if it went to the whole league or just me. Sometimes the email looks like it comes from Steve but it didn't (I think it 's because he is the registered webmaster or the LeagueLineUp contact).
Any other items for discussion?
Attracting new managers - how?
Reminder ... if/when Scott Large or Scott Moore return, we have a rule that they get as many draft ballots as they would have gotten had they not left (they do not get 1). We might forget that ...
Social Nights - what did you think?
Curfews - 6:30 start time still okay, cutoff at discretion of managers?
Website
- General Availability section on the Website - did it help?
- Should we delete POG Land since we are emailing POGs
- feedback, comments, etc?
- Locker room discussion - gets seldom use (even during the time period (ie the past few weeks) when it should be referenced and opinions expressed more often
- Using the website to send emails - can we stop that practice? You cannot tell if it went to the whole league or just me. Sometimes the email looks like it comes from Steve but it didn't (I think it 's because he is the registered webmaster or the LeagueLineUp contact).
Any other items for discussion?
Unrated pitching; always a '1'
Rule Change: If an unrated pitcher is used, then result is under '1', regardless of adjustments.
Benefits for the Change: More realistic results, and potentially faster, since the pitcher/batter result is always under the '1' column. The batters' +/- adjustments and whether the pitcher is a lefty or righty become irrelevant.
Any drawbacks?
Sponsor: Chris
Benefits for the Change: More realistic results, and potentially faster, since the pitcher/batter result is always under the '1' column. The batters' +/- adjustments and whether the pitcher is a lefty or righty become irrelevant.
Any drawbacks?
Sponsor: Chris
Remove 'in on the corners' defensive option
Rule Change: eliminate the 2008 rule option for defensive 'in on the corners'
Benefits for the Change: simplify the choices available, and return to an option (playing 'close') which has pros & cons to the decision. The 'in on the corners' option had no significant cons, so was an easy call to make -- too easy.
Any drawbacks?
Sponsor: Chris (looks like Jim is also willing to sponsor)
Benefits for the Change: simplify the choices available, and return to an option (playing 'close') which has pros & cons to the decision. The 'in on the corners' option had no significant cons, so was an easy call to make -- too easy.
Any drawbacks?
Sponsor: Chris (looks like Jim is also willing to sponsor)
Eliminate Grade Advance after Ejection
Rule Change: Eliminate +5 Pitcher Boost after a pitcher ejection
Benefits for the Change: After a pitcher is ejected (eg a plunk), the following pitcher could actually be coming in with somewhat short notice and although they get unlimited pitches they probably aren't extra pumped. Besides you shouldn't be rewarded for the plunk.
Any drawbacks?
(Steve suggests the alternative of reducing it to +2)
Sponsor: Jim
Benefits for the Change: After a pitcher is ejected (eg a plunk), the following pitcher could actually be coming in with somewhat short notice and although they get unlimited pitches they probably aren't extra pumped. Besides you shouldn't be rewarded for the plunk.
Any drawbacks?
(Steve suggests the alternative of reducing it to +2)
Sponsor: Jim
Protecting the diamond the rough
Rule Change: You are allowed to protect any (one) player that you drafted/received in the 27th round or later. This player would become part of your next year's team and represent your 14th round (half way) draft choice. The player does not have to be on the next year's draft list and cannot be XB. The manager has the option of protecting no player, in which case he would get a 14th round draft pick.
This would be effective for the 2010 season draft.
Any drawbacks? we have not entertained draft protections for several decades because of the arguments: it means the best player may not necessarily be available to 1st draft pickers and having good players available from non-draftable teams may make the league too strong.
Benefits for the Change: the possibility of actually getting some phenom player is low and it would be luck if you did. And you wouldn't likely establish a dynasty by having the guy year after year as you could not protect him next year (established phenoms don't get drafted after the 26th round). Let's experience protections in a non-threatening way to gauge expanding it further in future years. And finally, the 2 drawbacks mentioned above may be myths that have never been proven.
Sponsor: Steve
This would be effective for the 2010 season draft.
Any drawbacks? we have not entertained draft protections for several decades because of the arguments: it means the best player may not necessarily be available to 1st draft pickers and having good players available from non-draftable teams may make the league too strong.
Benefits for the Change: the possibility of actually getting some phenom player is low and it would be luck if you did. And you wouldn't likely establish a dynasty by having the guy year after year as you could not protect him next year (established phenoms don't get drafted after the 26th round). Let's experience protections in a non-threatening way to gauge expanding it further in future years. And finally, the 2 drawbacks mentioned above may be myths that have never been proven.
Sponsor: Steve
Allow proxy voting at the annual meeting
Rule change: allow an absent manager at the annual meeting to vote (yea/nay) on a rule proposal that is submitted in advance. Vote would be given to the meeting chairperson and would be counted as if the manager was present. For a proxy vote, the manager must explain his reason for voting as he did (explain only to the chairperson, not necessarily publically). If the rule proposal is modified/amended as part of the meeting, then the chairperson would allow or deny the proxy vote. No proxy votes would not be allowed for write-in's at the meeting.
Furthermore (part 2 of this rule), allow manager to be phoned in to the meeting, just as Terry remotely drafted in 2008. Treat connectivity as if he was physically present.
Benefits: sometimes a manager cannot make the meeting reasons - allow his voice to be heard. With poor turnout at the meeting and dwindling league managers (down to 10 this year), this would increase the vote tally ... otherwise new rule changes could get passed a bare quorum numbers.
Any drawbacks?
Sponsor - Steve
Furthermore (part 2 of this rule), allow manager to be phoned in to the meeting, just as Terry remotely drafted in 2008. Treat connectivity as if he was physically present.
Benefits: sometimes a manager cannot make the meeting reasons - allow his voice to be heard. With poor turnout at the meeting and dwindling league managers (down to 10 this year), this would increase the vote tally ... otherwise new rule changes could get passed a bare quorum numbers.
Any drawbacks?
Sponsor - Steve
Rule Change: if a new category comes to light, then propose it at the annual meeting. This is the spot for that.
